John Dumas And Pamela From Extreme Exotics Scam Scam

I recently got burnt by these two. I would just like to warn everyone so nobody makes the mistake I did. I bought a 05 het. pied female for $1000 from them. They have used the same paperwork from the snakekeeper too sell many animals as het. pieds. They also have burned others by saying they haven'
t recieved snakes.... etc. etc. Just wanted to give everyone some heads up...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=101237
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=101488


I just got burned....

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

I recently got burnt by these two. I would just like to warn everyone so nobody makes the mistake I did. I bought a 05 het. pied female for $1000 from them. They have used the same paperwork from the snakekeeper too sell many animals as het. pieds. They also have burned others by saying they haven'
t recieved snakes.... etc. etc. Just wanted to give everyone some heads up...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=101237
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=101488


I just got burned....

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I saw these threads on BOI the other night.

Thank you for posting this. We should contact everyone we know in the hobby and warn them about these two scammers.

Daniel. I read your post 2 times, and I am still unclear as to how exactly you got scammed. Did they not send you your snake?, or did you prove that the snake was not Het. Pied? I just wondered what happened to you?

I read the posts...I've never seen anyone get so flat out busted in being a scammer. Kudos to those guys for the background work they did...it was hilarious. John Dumas claimed he had no relationship with Pamela, yet everything that was dug up basically pointed out that they know each other VERY well. They make for a great...looong....read, but it's funny watching all these excuses and stories. He lies so much he can't keep his stories straight.

Man, sorry you got burned...really, it sucks.

Everytime I read about a scam It remind's me of top shelf crap xotic's and how they burned me. A message to all you newcomer's just starting up your collection's don't go cheap, buy from breeder's that have a great reputation. Do your homework!!

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Daniel. I read your post 2 times, and I am still unclear as to how exactly you got scammed. Did they not send you your snake?, or did you prove that the snake was not Het. Pied? I just wondered what happened to you?

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They are sending out normal balls and they are sending the SAME paperwork with all of them. They are sold as het. pieds. When it came in it had rat bites, dry shed, mean and 300 grams under what it was supposed to be. In the forum on fauna there is THE SAME i.d NUMBER with a snake a man had purchased from John this was the same i.d he sent me. ALong with his other scams him and pamela are pulling on people. One person sent a pewter just thios past tuesday to trade for some pieds they then said they didn't recieve it and the dhl driver said jon dumas signed for it.

It amazes me that people scam others in this buisness, do they think that they wont get caught? I mean you got the BOI, and alot of breeders are friends and sites like this that help newbies like me to watch out. so why do they think they need to scam? is it really worth the little bit of $ you would get over the greater potential for cash if you start with good stock, be honest and build up a good name? I just dont see what goes through these peoples minds. :confused:

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It amazes me that people scam others in this buisness, do they think that they wont get caught? I mean you got the BOI, and alot of breeders are friends and sites like this that help newbies like me to watch out. so why do they think they need to scam? is it really worth the little bit of $ you would get over the greater potential for cash if you start with good stock, be honest and build up a good name? I just dont see what goes through these peoples minds. :confused:

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A con artist isn't interested in building a name for themselves. They're interested in getting as much money as they can in the con and then moving to the next con. I can guarantee, they had no interest in the ball python business, they just saw a way to get quick money and milk it as long as they could. I dare say they'll move on to another venture if they haven't already (now that pitbulls and ball pythons have been exhausted).

Man that sucks! So sorry to hear that you were one of the people that got burned by these scum bags. :(

Thank you for the heads up though. I hope no one else gets ripped off by these two people. I don't know how people can do these kind of things and sleep at night. Sickening!

LOL I literally spent HOURS at work reading that thread on the BOI.

WOW, scammers!! Sucks big time. My boyfriend chris just got scammed by Silas Crawford of Appalachian Exotics, quite a bit of money. The most we've ever paid for a snake. Luckily he paid thru paypal, and a return is still pending. I guess its still under investigation by paypal. I love paypal, and be wary of anyone that only accepts money orders or western union!!

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WOW, scammers!! Sucks big time. My boyfriend chris just got scammed by Silas Crawford of Appalachian Exotics, quite a bit of money. The most we've ever paid for a snake. Luckily he paid thru paypal, and a return is still pending. I guess its still under investigation by paypal. I love paypal, and be wary of anyone that only accepts money orders or western union!!

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I was just going to ask about that. I assumed many of these purchases are through pay pal, so why not just make a claim. I thought it was possible to get your money back. I'm not that super familiar with paypal yet but I heard you could do it. :confused:

paypal is not always the best at getting money back. there have been some people around here that have used it and filed a claim only to lose the claim for stupid reasons.

i read this thread today while i was waiting for the thermocycler to finish my samples (2 hr+) and i sure helped pass the time. i just can't get by on how stupid that guy was....

If you read the thread about Silas, we have a pretty good case against this guy. So i'm not worried about not getting the money back.

I, for one, am an example of probably many other people who get weary of buying snakes from small breeders after reading things liek this, thus hurting the reputation of future small time breeders hoping to make it good.

I have bought two snakes this way already. Once through KS, and once through Fauna. Unfortunately, and I'm not insulting anyone, it will probably be the last two times I ever do buy from online breeders unless they are super reputable or am well aquainted with on the BP.net forums. It seems like there are many scammers out there, and I was fortunate enough in my 2 purchases to not hit one of them, because it seems like the chances of running into trouble are just that big...

It's a very scary world out there. I work in the field of finance, and I see much of this stuff out there. But I expect to see stuff like that out there because there are many people who will do wonders to make a sale (ie. securities), but doing that with snakes, a living thing, is basically the same thing, with just a scary twist to it. Very sad.

i much rather meet find a breeder i like and see if he/she has something i am interested in, rather then look for ads and deals...