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  • 07-13-2007, 11:25 AM
    Royal Tartan
    Double Clutching
    Interested to know of anyone who has intentionally put two males to there female to try see if they get a double clutch.

    looking for type ( ie what morph , norm or other ) of male's and female.....and more interestingly ...what the actual clutch ended up as.

    TIA
  • 07-13-2007, 11:31 AM
    Evan Jamison
    Re: Double Clutching
    I'm assuming you mean multiple sires for the same clutch, and not multiple clutches in a single season (the widely used definition of double-clutch).

    This season I bred a pastel male and a spider male to a pastel female, but only got babies sired by the spider.

    -Evan
  • 07-13-2007, 11:32 AM
    elevatethis
    Re: Double Clutching
    Don't confuse "double clutch"-ing with having 2 males sire offspring in the same clutch.

    Double-clutching is the slang term for what is most commonly known in corn snakes, where females lay back to back clutches in one season.

    I think what you are asking is if you breed 2 males to the same female, can both males have offspring in the clutch. The answer is YES, and it has been done many times. There's been a few posts on here with breeders who have experienced this.
  • 07-13-2007, 11:42 AM
    Royal Tartan
    Re: Double Clutching
    got it in one peeps...meant two sire's one dam ...ideally looking for number of eggs produced ...with break down of morphs hatched from clutch ....sex ratio is unimportant
  • 07-13-2007, 12:01 PM
    cassandra
    Re: Double Clutching
    I only double clutch when I'm street racing.../nod


    :P;)
  • 07-13-2007, 12:09 PM
    Royal Tartan
    Re: Double Clutching
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cassandra
    I only double clutch when I'm street racing.../nod


    :P;)


    hehe street racing balls ...thats gotta be a site lol
  • 07-13-2007, 12:16 PM
    mricyfire
    Re: Double Clutching
    whoa this is pretty interesting...couple questions.

    IS that really bad for the female? Like she would have to be a big girl right? Are chances of complications or dying higher during birth?
    Is this a recommended process?
  • 07-13-2007, 12:25 PM
    LadyOhh
    Re: Double Clutching
    I am personally expecting a couple clutches to have several sires.


    I was impatient towards the end, and threw everyone in with everyone...

    So, at the end of the month, I will let you see what comes out!

    It is not unhealthy for the female, as long as she is the right breeding weight.

    As a friend of mine who is no longer a friend used to say "It's just sex.. It doesn't matter with who." :cool:
  • 07-13-2007, 12:31 PM
    CntrlF8
    Re: Double Clutching
    I think some people are misunderstanding what we're talking about here... Just because you've got multiple sires for a single dam doesn't mean that you're going to get more eggs. it just means that there's a chance that some of the eggs fertilized will be from different sires.
  • 07-13-2007, 01:35 PM
    Royal Tartan
    Re: Double Clutching
    ^^^^^ Spot on .

    It will NOT increase the egg count , or , as LadyOhh said, harm a healthy female ( had to giggle at the image you created in my head lass, a Royal Royale Free for all ! )

    Bet ya cant wait till they hatch G/L
  • 07-13-2007, 01:44 PM
    mricyfire
    Re: Double Clutching
    Ok so it wont produce more eggs...but if I understand correctly

    If you breed a male spider, pastel and cinnamon to a normal female you may possibly get spiders, pastels, cinnamons and normals...but no designer morphs can be created that way?
  • 07-13-2007, 02:08 PM
    CntrlF8
    Re: Double Clutching
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mricyfire
    Ok so it wont produce more eggs...but if I understand correctly

    If you breed a male spider, pastel and cinnamon to a normal female you may possibly get spiders, pastels, cinnamons and normals...but no designer morphs can be created that way?

    Correct. one sperm, one egg. Wouldn't it be cool if that WOULD work though?!
  • 07-13-2007, 02:08 PM
    Royal Tartan
    Re: Double Clutching
    No , new designer morphs are usually a result of at least a couple of years carefully breeding selected ( not random ) pairings ( Hets included ) ...tho I could be proved wrong .....genetics are only textbook IN the book , lol.
  • 07-13-2007, 02:11 PM
    NickMyers03
    Re: Double Clutching
    it is possible but the odds are against you. i have not heard of a morph being produced in a double clutch from 2 diffrent sires...being that the "sperm" would have to be combined i dont think its possible. you could though have 2 diffrent morphs in the same egg by 2 sires ( 2 eggs from female become one egg as in twins by diffrent dads) double clutchs happen but not that often. ( and by often i mean on a small breeders scale you might get lucky and have one a season with lets say 10 breeder females i dont know the odds on a large scale...cue or adam have you seen an increased amount if more than one co dom sire has been with the same female?)
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