Mojave Pinstripe!!!

Has anyone made these yet? Any pictures? Are they anything like the Kingpins or Butterpins?

...they are the same as the butter pins, and the king pins...but the mojave pins also called the JIGSAW ball which was posted on here is not as light as the others

edit: wrong name of breeder

Heres a good pic of it.
http://vpi.com/brag/jigsaw_ball_python

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Heres a good pic of it.
http://vpi.com/brag/jigsaw_ball_python

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Very cool! Thanks for the visual!

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

...they are the same as the butter pins, and the king pins...but the mojave pins also called the JIGSAW ball which was posted on here is not as light as the others

edit: wrong name of breeder

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They look nothing like the lesser/butter pin.
Here is a pic of one of Ralphs King pins
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/kp.jpg

and this is the mohave/pin
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...151/jigsaw.jpg

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Originally Posted by pfan151

They look nothing like the lesser/butter pin.
Here is a pic of one of Ralphs King pins
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f361/pfan151/kp.jpg

and this is the mohave/pin
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...151/jigsaw.jpg

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I hear the copyright police coming!!! :rolleyes:

correct me if i am wrong. But Butters, Lessers, and Mojaves are all basically the same snake...just different hues in their coloration.

These 3 snakes when bred to each other will all give the same super form BELs and from what I know to get a super you have to breed two like snakes with each other...

Butter x Lesser = BEL
Butter x Butter = BEL
Butter x Mojave = BEL
Lesser x Lesser = BEL
Lesser x Mojave = BEL
Mojave x Mojave = BEL

So that would make the Kingpin and a Mojave Pin the same, just slight difference in coloration.

yes you are correct on them being the same gene ( well sort of)

on the note of them looking nothing alike, when have you seen 2 balls from the same clutch look exactly alike color wise? look at RDR's birthing record when he produced the king pins every one is a diffrent color. the pinstripe used for the mojave pin may have not had the stripe down the back as some do which might have been genetic causing this mojave pin to look diffrent. i would want to see more of these animals to say if they do or do not look alike. the lesser pins might be lighter in color( as they do with any morph combined with ) but they are the same base.

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

yes you are correct on them being the same gene ( well sort of)

on the note of them looking nothing alike, when have you seen 2 balls from the same clutch look exactly alike color wise? look at RDR's birthing record when he produced the king pins every one is a diffrent color. the pinstripe used for the mojave pin may have not had the stripe down the back as some do which might have been genetic causing this mojave pin to look diffrent. i would want to see more of these animals to say if they do or do not look alike. the lesser pins might be lighter in color( as they do with any morph combined with ) but they are the same base.

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RDR has produced MANY king pins and they all look very similar. None of them look anything like the mohave pins. There is not one mohave combo that looks the same as a lesser/butter combo.

You said:
"...they are the same as the butter pins, and the king pins...but the mojave pins also called the JIGSAW ball which was posted on here is not as light as the others"

Then you said:
"i would want to see more of these animals to say if they do or do not look alike."

Which is it?

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

Butter x Lesser = BEL
Butter x Butter = BEL
Butter x Mojave = BEL
Lesser x Lesser = BEL
Lesser x Mojave = BEL
Mojave x Mojave = BEL

So that would make the Kingpin and a Mojave Pin the same, just slight difference in coloration.

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Lesser x lesser and mohave x mohave do not make the same super. A lesser x mohave super also looks different than a pure lesser Lucy. The Lesser/butter seems to affect the pattern of the pin when crossed, and the mohave does not appear to. I would think having a totally different pattern as well as a different color would make them different? The mohave is obviously related to the lesser/butter because they can create a some what white snake when bred together but calling them the same is incorrect IMO.

Incidentally, its Mojave, not Mohave. Good posts otherwise! :)

Wow the pinstripe mojave is a beauty......dang it's gonna get to the point where I want all the morph's.LOL

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Incidentally, its Mojave, not Mohave. Good posts otherwise! :)

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I actually think either spelling is ok:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohave
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/bynam...ave-rattle.htm

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I actually think either spelling is ok:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohave
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/bynam...ave-rattle.htm

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Actually I would agree if we were talking about a Native American tribesman. However, since its a snake named by The Sutherlands, I believe it shows respect to call it as they named it. Just sayin... :D

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I actually think either spelling is ok:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohave
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/bynam...ave-rattle.htm

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John and Jon are spelled the same too, but if my name is Jon and you spelled it John, you could be incorrect. And since someone named the Mojave a 'mojave', then technically it's a name.. so Mohave would be incorrect. :P

Rick

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Actually I would agree if we were talking about a Native American tribesman. However, since its a snake named by The Sutherlands, I believe it shows respect to call it as they named it. Just sayin... :D

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Damn Jamie, you are quick on that reply button. You beat me to it! lol

Rick

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

John and Jon are spelled the same too, but if my name is Jon and you spelled it John, you could be incorrect. And since someone named the Mojave a 'mojave', then technically it's a name.. so Mohave would be incorrect. :P

Rick

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I think the difference between John and Jon is that Jon is short for Jonathan and John is not. Wow, that is a hard sentence to read. At least that is what I always thought?

I understand what you are saying but I can't imagine SK named them Mojave's instead of Mohave's for any specific reason (other than some people spell it one way and others spell it the other). I always assumed they named them that with the Mohave/Mojave rattlesnake in mind? Which seems to be spelled both ways. I actually never really paid attention before now about how I spelled it. But I guess you guys are right. Either way I can't imagine the Sutherlands would be offended by me using an alternate accepted spelling.

It's the proper name for a ball python morph, it's been named already and no matter what you think it should be... it has a name already. They didn't call it a Mohave/Mojave, they just called it a Mojave. I can totally understand where you're going, but you're taking a proper name for an animal and trying to change it to something else. So, no offense, but you are wrong on this one.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I think the difference between John and Jon is that Jon is short for Jonathan and John is not. Wow, that is a hard sentence to read. At least that is what I always thought?

I understand what you are saying but I can't imagine SK named them Mojave's instead of Mohave's for any specific reason (other than some people spell it one way and others spell it the other). I always assumed they named them that with the Mohave/Mojave rattlesnake in mind? Which seems to be spelled both ways. I actually never really paid attention before now about how I spelled it. But I guess you guys are right. Either way I can't imagine the Sutherlands would be offended by me using an alternate accepted spelling.

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I didn't mean to start problems this time. No really, I mean it! :) I was just commenting on the spelling. Back to the topic at hand...

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Lesser x lesser and mohave x mohave do not make the same super. A lesser x mohave super also looks different than a pure lesser Lucy. The Lesser/butter seems to affect the pattern of the pin when crossed, and the mohave does not appear to. I would think having a totally different pattern as well as a different color would make them different? The mohave is obviously related to the lesser/butter because they can create a some what white snake when bred together but calling them the same is incorrect IMO.

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when i said the same i agreed that they had the same gene...then stated well sort of. they both carry the gene to create a white snake and even though the "super mojave aka lucy ( notice the same name)" does have a purple head they contain the gene to make it. they also all lighten any gene they are mixed with. with the fact of saying they were produced had nothing to do with wanting to see more of them. i have seen pin's that have a stripe and pins that dont ( the one that created the JIGSAW IMO) i would like to see one produced with a pinstripe that has the stripe like the ones that produced the kingpin. this is a quote from Ralph himself "..............I'm blown away at how pretty this combo is.........what a perfect mesh of the two traits..........and the three different "versions" is way cool.........." so he himself states there are diffrents versions so who says that the next one hatched wont look the exact same? with only one produced we cant say that

Saw the jig saw ball in White plains and it looks 100 times that good in person!

I have an 06 female mojave, and I have an 07 male mojave, and an 07 male pinstripe coming... so now when the time comes.. do I shoot for the lovely jigsaw or a BEL.. hmmm. :confused:


Rick

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

I have an 06 female mojave, and I have an 07 male mojave, and an 07 male pinstripe coming... so now when the time comes.. do I shoot for the lovely jigsaw or a BEL.. hmmm. :confused:


Rick

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you'll just have to pick up a female pin and shoot for both

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

I have an 06 female mojave, and I have an 07 male mojave, and an 07 male pinstripe coming... so now when the time comes.. do I shoot for the lovely jigsaw or a BEL.. hmmm. :confused:


Rick

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Why not breed both males to your female and hope for both. That would definitely be a sweet clutch.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I didn't mean to start problems this time. No really, I mean it! :) I was just commenting on the spelling. Back to the topic at hand...

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No, you just posted so you could see your cool new logo again! :P

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Why not breed both males to your female and hope for both. That would definitely be a sweet clutch.

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Point taken ;)

Rick

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Originally Posted by rabernet

No, you just posted so you could see your cool new logo again! :P

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Would I do that!?! :D

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Lesser x lesser and mohave x mohave do not make the same super. A lesser x mohave super also looks different than a pure lesser Lucy. The Lesser/butter seems to affect the pattern of the pin when crossed, and the mohave does not appear to. I would think having a totally different pattern as well as a different color would make them different? The mohave is obviously related to the lesser/butter because they can create a some what white snake when bred together but calling them the same is incorrect IMO.

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LoL you gotta quote the whole thing my friend

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

correct me if i am wrong. But Butters, Lessers, and Mojaves are all basically the same snake...just different hues in their coloration.

These 3 snakes when bred to each other will all give the same super form BELs and from what I know to get a super you have to breed two like snakes with each other...

Butter x Lesser = BEL
Butter x Butter = BEL
Butter x Mojave = BEL
Lesser x Lesser = BEL
Lesser x Mojave = BEL
Mojave x Mojave = BEL

So that would make the Kingpin and a Mojave Pin the same, just slight difference in coloration.

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Kinda like how black pastels are a little darker than Cinnamons..but when it comes down to it...there are pretty much the same with little differences.

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

LoL you gotta quote the whole thing my friend



Kinda like how black pastels are a little darker than Cinnamons..but when it comes down to it...there are pretty much the same with little differences.

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Do you honestly think the only difference between the King pin and the Jigsaw is "a slight difference in coloration"??? Have you looked at the pics of each? There is almost no resemblance. The mohave/pin have the normal pinstripe pattern while the lesser/butter pin totally alters the pattern of the pin. But you can believe what you wish...

i would have to agree with you they are not the same or even close IMO. i have a mojave and a lesser and almost bought a butter but didn't. and when you see all three you can see a big differance(SP) between them the mojaves are a lot darker then the lessers which should mean a different gene ininvolved.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Lesser x lesser and mohave x mohave do not make the same super. A lesser x mohave super also looks different than a pure lesser Lucy. The Lesser/butter seems to affect the pattern of the pin when crossed, and the mohave does not appear to. I would think having a totally different pattern as well as a different color would make them different? The mohave is obviously related to the lesser/butter because they can create a some what white snake when bred together but calling them the same is incorrect IMO.

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Same gene, different variation. See my post on BEL lines.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Would I do that!?! :D

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Yes!!! :nods:

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Originally Posted by NickMyers03

when i said the same i agreed that they had the same gene...then stated well sort of. they both carry the gene to create a white snake and even though the "super mojave aka lucy ( notice the same name)" does have a purple head they contain the gene to make it. they also all lighten any gene they are mixed with. with the fact of saying they were produced had nothing to do with wanting to see more of them. i have seen pin's that have a stripe and pins that dont ( the one that created the JIGSAW IMO) i would like to see one produced with a pinstripe that has the stripe like the ones that produced the kingpin. this is a quote from Ralph himself "..............I'm blown away at how pretty this combo is.........what a perfect mesh of the two traits..........and the three different "versions" is way cool.........." so he himself states there are diffrents versions so who says that the next one hatched wont look the exact same? with only one produced we cant say that

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i would just like to restate this showing there is a diffrence in the Pinstripes used....also that there were 3 diffrent color kingpins produced from the same clutch. so stating that they dont look anything alike is true for the one mojavepin produced but we wont know for sure unless many more were produced. we have now had more than one butterpin produced more than one kingpin and each look diffrent...so if the mojave ( which have diffrent shades too) was bred to other pinstripe females, lets say one with the stripe like the others, would it look about the same? would some come out lighter? would some be darker? i say yes to all