RI? (video inside)

Well, I guess today won't have a happy ending. Does this look like the beginnings of an RI?
Please watch this whole vid. You will see, about half way through. What the heck is she doing with her mouth? :confused:

http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=new106.flv

I haven't ever delt with an RI, but it looks to me like she is just re-adjusting her jaw. You know how they yawn after they eat to fix how their jaws sit? It seems like she is just doing that, only not completely yawning. My girl has done that before, just shifted the bottom jaw around, untile she is comfortable again.I don't see a need to worry, but like I said, I hadn't ever had to deal with an RI, so I wouldn't know much about it.

If there's suspicion of an RI, you need to take her to a QUALIFIED herp vet and have her examined.

Ive seen Ris and thats no RI, but im no vet. Looks like hes having trouble fixing his jaw. There could be something stuck somewhere. What do you use for substrate?

i agree with the fixing jaw. but you might want to take her to a vet to get her checked out anyway. if you really wanna be sure its not RI

Weena, to be bluntly honest here....no video online is a diagnostic tool and shouldn't be used as such. If you have any worry about your snakes health then only a qualified herp vet, doing a hand's on exam, can do that for you. Please note none of the bigger breeders that are members here have posted in this thread because, I suspect, they would not offer what is a medical opinion that is properly done by your snake's vet...they know better than to "guess online".

If you are concerned enough to post this video, than you should likely at least phone your vet for proper and qualified advise.

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Originally Posted by moespeaking

Ive seen Ris and thats no RI, but im no vet. Looks like hes having trouble fixing his jaw. There could be something stuck somewhere. What do you use for substrate?

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Moe, sorry but how in holy blazes can you definitely state "thats no RI". You can take a swab and analyze it from a video? You can clearly say there's no underlying physical reason for the jaw movements? You've got some sort of online vet certification? You cannot say it isn't an RI anymore than someone else can say it is an RI. The most anyone can or should do is advise an owner concerned about a living animal's health, especially when it comes to serious issues like RI's, is to seek proper vet care. Anything more than that, done online, is in my opinion, highly risky and highly improper!

Joanna,

Do you feel strongly about people saying things they cannont back up :O. lol that ripping into someone and a half m8. anyway i aggree with you. take the animal to a vet and get it checked out for sure. hopefully everything will turn out for the best.

Yep Liam when it means the health of a living thing I have very strong opinions about "online vetting". We see a lot of that here and on other forums. Folks that don't want to pay for vet visits so ask us to diagnose (not saying that's the situation here), folks making off the cuff medical "decisions" and stating it's definitively this or that. It's one thing to say "hey that looks like a bit of stuck shed and here's what works for me". It's quite another to state "that's no RI". If it is an RI (and I've no clue whether it is or isn't and wouldn't venture a guess) and goes untreated because of Moe's comments then that snake can lose it's life or end up with permenantly scarred lungs.

We can offer a lot of help here at BPNet but we can't, and shouldn't replace anyone's vet...at least not in my not always humble opinion. :)

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

We can offer a lot of help here at BPNet but we can't, and shouldn't replace anyone's vet...at least not in my not always humble opinion. :)

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It is not just your opinion :sweeet:

In this day in age...someone would pry be liable for their diagnosis as well. :rolleyes:

:)

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Yep Liam when it means the health of a living thing I have very strong opinions about "online vetting". We see a lot of that here and on other forums. Folks that don't want to pay for vet visits so ask us to diagnose (not saying that's the situation here), folks making off the cuff medical "decisions" and stating it's definitively this or that. It's one thing to say "hey that looks like a bit of stuck shed and here's what works for me". It's quite another to state "that's no RI". If it is an RI (and I've no clue whether it is or isn't and wouldn't venture a guess) and goes untreated because of Moe's comments then that snake can lose it's life or end up with permenantly scarred lungs.

We can offer a lot of help here at BPNet but we can't, and shouldn't replace anyone's vet...at least not in my not always humble opinion. :)

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thumbs bloody up! i agree with you fully mate. and i hate people *not saying this is happining* that istead of spending the cash at the vets and want to save the money so they come here asking for medical opinions. well that aint on im affriad. and any one that doesent want to spend money to get a animal checked out by the vet if you think something is wrong doesnot deserve a animal. if my snake fell sick and needed a urgent medical treatment that would cost 1000$ then i would with out a hesition spend the money, and find some way to get hold of it. but that is just me :)

ok ranting is done.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Weena, to be bluntly honest here....no video online is a diagnostic tool and shouldn't be used as such. If you have any worry about your snakes health then only a qualified herp vet, doing a hand's on exam, can do that for you. Please note none of the bigger breeders that are members here have posted in this thread because, I suspect, they would not offer what is a medical opinion that is properly done by your snake's vet...they know better than to "guess online". If you are concerned enough to post this video, than you should likely at least phone your vet for proper and qualified advise.

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I feel like I have to defend myself here.... I had already made a vet appointment BEFORE I posted the video. So no worries there. I should have stated that in my first post but no one asked either.

I am not one of those cheap animal keepers that freeze, flush, kill, abandon my pet because I can't or won't pay my vet bill. I do however constantly worry about any of my family or pets that come "ill". That is why I was here asking opinions. I do not expect "expert advise" from anyone over an internet chat/forum. Anyone that does is just silly or stupid. That being said.......

How long do they adjust there jaw after a meal. She ate on Saturday. I have seen her "yawn" but nothing like that before. Please keep in mind that I am not a seasoned Ball owner, so some of these ?'s might seem silly to you. Thanks for your time.:(

If it seemed "silly" it likely wouldn't have gotten a response. No question is silly if it's to gather information for the best interest of your snake.

As far as you feeling defensive, I'm not sure why you'd feel that way since at least in my post, I made it quite clear I was not commenting directly at you not wanting to spend money on a vet. Since you already had a vet appointment set up though, that information might have been handy to have. The problem with bringing possible health concerns to an internet forum, other than very basic stuff, is that when you get answers Weena, you have almost no way to judge the validity of that answer. You in fact got one...that is was definitely not an RI. That sort of answer, if given incorrectly to an inexperienced owner can result in a snake's needless suffering and death. I'm more concerned with cautioning you to look to a good vet rather than an online answer when it comes to that lovely snake's best health interests. If that causes you to feel defensive, then I'm sorry.

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The problem with bringing possible health concerns to an internet forum, other than very basic stuff, is that when you get answers Weena, you have almost no way to judge the validity of that answer. You in fact got one...that is was definitely not an RI. That sort of answer, if given incorrectly to an inexperienced owner can result in a snake's needless suffering and death.

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This is a very good point. IMO, Accepting something someone says at face value, without reasearching, is just setting yourself up for failure.

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I'm more concerned with cautioning you to look to a good vet rather than an online answer when it comes to that lovely snake's best health interests. If that causes you to feel defensive, then I'm sorry.

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Thank you for your concern, if there were more people out there like you the world would be a better place!! I wanted to defend myself on the point that I had called a vet. The statement after that might have been a little harsh , but I wanted people to know where I stand with bad pet parents! No worries.

Franky, I stated right there I am no Vet!!! Im just saying ive seen ri's and that jaw thing is no RI. I suppose she may also have an RI but it looks like the jaw is the issue in the video.