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  • 07-01-2007, 07:43 PM
    deivi
    Big Daddy Wholesale
    Hello

    Anyone has make bussines with this company? He has a very good prices and i'm interested to buy some morphs from they.

    Anyone has first hand experiences with this company?

    thansk!
  • 07-01-2007, 07:54 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deivi
    Hello

    Anyone has make bussines with this company? He has a very good prices and i'm interested to buy some morphs from they.

    Anyone has first hand experiences with this company?

    thansk!

    I am sure you will come to your own conclusions after reading those (Should only take you couple of weeks of reading)

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...addy+wholesale

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...addy+wholesale

    My personal opinion I would not take one of his snakes even if it was given to me.
  • 07-01-2007, 08:01 PM
    SPJ
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons
    I am sure you will come to your own conclusions after reading those (Should only take you couple of weeks of reading)

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...addy+wholesale

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...addy+wholesale

    My personal opinion I would not take one of his snakes even if it was given to me.

    I agree. I would NEVER let one of his snakes anywhere near my collection.
  • 07-01-2007, 08:35 PM
    Kagez28
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    after some horror stories i have read about.... no chance.

    he has little regard for the animal it's self only making money. thats my opinion.

    there are plenty of breeders that have good prices and actually care for the animals.

    try Adam at 8ball python... great guy and loves his animals to death
  • 07-01-2007, 08:40 PM
    deivi
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Ok, i think that big daddy it's not the pretty site to buy my animals.

    And anyone can recomend me anyone that can sell me a great lot of diferents morphs?
  • 07-01-2007, 08:55 PM
    hardball
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    if your semi close to gainesville you could look into Ben Cole. Met him this weekend at Jacksonville show and got my boa from him. He also had the best looking orange ghost ive ever seen. It was the best snake at the show.
    Ben Cole

    He probably doesnt have the biggest collection of morphs available but they are well cared for and he seems to be a guy in it for the right reasons.
  • 07-01-2007, 09:54 PM
    jkobylka
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    stay away from big daddys wholesale
  • 07-01-2007, 10:33 PM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Agreed!!! Big daddy is where you get snakes if you don't mind them dieing.
  • 07-02-2007, 03:26 AM
    Rocky
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    I don't even go near their booth when I go to reptile shows that they attend...Definetly will never do buisness with them.
  • 07-02-2007, 06:27 AM
    rabernet
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    I see that you are in Spain, so you'll have to work with someone who can do CITES paperwork for you.

    Here are a few members here from this site that I would recommend:

    Adam at http://www.8ballpythons.com
    Kara at http://www.newenglandreptile.com
    Chris at http://www.vpi.com
  • 07-02-2007, 09:20 AM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rocky
    I don't even go near their booth when I go to reptile shows that they attend...Definetly will never do buisness with them.

    I would have to PAM myself or encase myself in a bubble before getting within 25 feet of Big Doody's.
  • 07-02-2007, 09:30 AM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jglass38
    I would have to PAM myself or encase myself in a bubble before getting within 25 feet of Big Doody's.

    Big Doody's.. LOL

    I love it :D
  • 07-02-2007, 09:31 AM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Freakie_frog
    Big Doody's.. LOL

    I love it :D

    Oops..Typo... :D
  • 07-06-2007, 02:24 PM
    West Coast Jungle
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    I once thought of getting an animal from them then I did my research and I am glad I didn't. My rodents get treated way better than his expensive morphs do. Frightening to say the least. I don't think Big doody's is a typo, LOL!
  • 07-06-2007, 07:00 PM
    darkdreamer
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jglass38
    I would have to PAM myself or encase myself in a bubble before getting within 25 feet of Big Doody's.


    Trojan full latex body suit, made for your protection. :rofl:
  • 07-06-2007, 07:02 PM
    Sausage
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darkdreamer
    Trojan full latex body suit, made for your protection. :rofl:

    ...not to mention pleasure. :8:

    Heh, I've never heard of this place before... and I'm starting to wish I hadn't! :eek:
  • 07-06-2007, 08:17 PM
    jkobylka
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jkobylka
    stay away from big daddys wholesale

    I just want to say that I have not dealt directly with big daddys and I don't feel that my quote was fair to them. before you buy from them or anyone do your homework... these threads would be better served if only ppl who had direct experience with the vendor replied with thier opinion.

    I always recommend that someone buy from a vendor that has a small collection that they are completely devoted to the care of each animal on an individual basis... but this has nothing to do with big daddy's in particular.

    Justin
  • 07-06-2007, 08:32 PM
    neilgolli
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jkobylka
    I just want to say that I have not dealt directly with big daddys and I don't feel that my quote was fair to them. before you buy from them or anyone do your homework... these threads would be better served if only ppl who had direct experience with the vendor replied with thier opinion.

    I always recommend that someone buy from a vendor that has a small collection that they are completely devoted to the care of each animal on an individual basis... but this has nothing to do with big daddy's in particular.

    Justin

    Very good post Justin, I'd also recommend buying from people who you know. Go to shows, meet vendors and even though they may be busy, expect them to take time to talk to you and ensure your comfortable when looking that breeder in the eye that his hets are good that he will stand behind his animals. I'd also say that make sure that your buying from breeders and not resellers because a breeder can often replace an animal from his own stock if there is an issue.
  • 07-06-2007, 08:43 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by neilgolli
    Very good post Justin, I'd also recommend buying from people who you know. Go to shows, meet vendors and even though they may be busy, expect them to take time to talk to you and ensure your comfortable when looking that breeder in the eye that his hets are good that he will stand behind his animals. I'd also say that make sure that your buying from breeders and not resellers because a breeder can often replace an animal from his own stock if there is an issue.

    Good posts from two well respected breeders! Thanks Justin and Neil!

    Jamie
    Glass Reptiles (Soon to be known as Big Doody's Reptiles) :D
  • 07-06-2007, 09:31 PM
    DanielA989
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Right.............. Well I was going to stay out of this one BUT..... I will say this I have dealt with Allen on many accounts and Allen will bend over backwards to help anyone and everyone that he can. Whether you spend $40 or $5,000. I have seen him spend alot time talking to people about how to keep and care for his animals. I personally don't think these accusations are true. I have known Allen for a number of years and although "these handful of people" seem to know Allen so well when all reality they really don't know squat about him. All the stuff about the insurance claims and all that's a load of crap. I can vouch that if you buy an animal from Allen if you have a problem with it call him he will do everything he can to make it right. Remember, we are dealing with animals we can't x-ray them or talk to them and see if they are feeling ok, sometimes things go wrong but if they do Allen will take care of you. I'm telling you Allen is a stand up guy. This debate can go on for 5 forums and 95 pages . Everyone has there own opinion. I just know him and I don't think alot of the things that are being said about him isn't fair and are un-true . Allen does care the best he can for all his animals and he would never sell a animal that he thought wasn't a 100% healthy. I think people are just getting carried away. I really don't think all deserves all this from all of you because I don't think any of you really know him. If you run from his table or you have never talked to him how do you know him? Well anyways if you guys wanna bash me too cause you think I am standing up for him go ahead I don't care. But for anyone who was thinking about buying from Allen .. just give him a call and you decide for yourself. Don't go by hear-say.
  • 07-06-2007, 09:32 PM
    DanielA989
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jkobylka
    I just want to say that I have not dealt directly with big daddys and I don't feel that my quote was fair to them. before you buy from them or anyone do your homework... these threads would be better served if only ppl who had direct experience with the vendor replied with thier opinion.

    I always recommend that someone buy from a vendor that has a small collection that they are completely devoted to the care of each animal on an individual basis... but this has nothing to do with big daddy's in particular.

    Justin

    :) I think it's really funny how you changed your tune there. :)
  • 07-06-2007, 09:34 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    Right.............. Well I was going to stay out of this one BUT..... I will say this I have dealt with Allen on many accounts and Allen will bend over backwards to help anyone and everyone that he can. Whether you spend $40 or $5,000. I have seen him spend alot time talking to people about how to keep and care for his animals. I personally don't think these accusations are true. I have known Allen for a number of years and although "these handful of people" seem to know Allen so well when all reality they really don't know squat about him. All the stuff about the insurance claims and all that's a load of crap. I can vouch that if you buy an animal from Allen if you have a problem with it call him he will do everything he can to make it right. Remember, we are dealing with animals we can't x-ray them or talk to them and see if they are feeling ok, sometimes things go wrong but if they do Allen will take care of you. I'm telling you Allen is a stand up guy. This debate can go on for 5 forums and 95 pages . Everyone has there own opinion. I just know him and I don't think alot of the things that are being said about him isn't fair and are un-true . Allen does care the best he can for all his animals and he would never sell a animal that he thought wasn't a 100% healthy. I think people are just getting carried away. I really don't think all deserves all this from all of you because I don't think any of you really know him. If you run from his table or you have never talked to him how do you know him? Well anyways if you guys wanna bash me too cause you think I am standing up for him go ahead I don't care. But for anyone who was thinking about buying from Allen .. just give him a call and you decide for yourself. Don't go by hear-say.

    If it looks lik poop and smells like poop, guess what it probably is?

    Since this isn't the BOI, I'll just repost these links from earlier in the thread.

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...daddy+wholesale

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...daddy+wholesale


    I guess everyone is a liar and Allen is a standup guy. Yeah, that's it.. :colbert:
  • 07-06-2007, 10:46 PM
    DanielA989
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Do you personally know Allen?

    Have you ever bought anything from Allen?

    Have you ever even spoke to Allen?

    or are you just going on hear say?

    or b/c he has better prices than you?

    Maybe cause he comes to your show and out sells you?

    I dunno why you just hate the guy?

    B/c some people said some things?

    Did Allen try to make it right? Do you know the whole story?

    or maybe it's cause you got a knifty little badge on your website from fauna for being a "Good Guy" and he is on the BOI ?

    Does a "Good Guy" judge a book by it's cover? Cause I doubt very seriously you know him.

    Does a "Good guy" bash people on other forums? Has he ever personally done anything to you ?

    What's up why don't you just tell all of us why you have such a problem with Allen so we all can figure this out?
  • 07-07-2007, 12:43 AM
    slartibartfast
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Well, I read the Fauna threads pretty closely, and as a result of them I have zero intention of purchasing anything from Big Daddy's, ever. I'm no big-timer, I have no status over on Fauna...but I do check out who I buy from pretty darn closely.

    And thanks to this thread here, I now have another person I know I'll never buy from. Aren't these threads enlightening? :-)
  • 07-07-2007, 09:28 AM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    Do you personally know Allen?

    Have you ever bought anything from Allen?

    Have you ever even spoke to Allen?

    or are you just going on hear say?

    or b/c he has better prices than you?

    Maybe cause he comes to your show and out sells you?

    I dunno why you just hate the guy?

    B/c some people said some things?

    Did Allen try to make it right? Do you know the whole story?

    or maybe it's cause you got a knifty little badge on your website from fauna for being a "Good Guy" and he is on the BOI ?

    Does a "Good Guy" judge a book by it's cover? Cause I doubt very seriously you know him.

    Does a "Good guy" bash people on other forums? Has he ever personally done anything to you ?

    What's up why don't you just tell all of us why you have such a problem with Allen so we all can figure this out?

    I don't know Allen, have never met Allen, have never purchased from Allen and again, would never do so. I don't care about his prices or what he does at shows. I don't hate Allen because it takes far too much energy to hate and I don't care enough to waste my energy. What I know is that he has a reputation for having a dirty facility, selling sick animals and caring more about the dollars than about the animals. This doesn't come from hearsay but rather from some quality people in the reptile industry that have confirmed it to be true. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

    Now, I should probably ask you, as a young guy just getting started in the reptile industry, with ambitions of putting together a business and making a reputation for yourself, do you think that taking up a cause like Big Daddy's is the best way to go about that? You could have said that you don't believe what was said about him and ended it there. However, you have chosen to take up the fight for him (and does a guy who calls himself Big Daddy really need someone to do that?). In doing that it can only succeed to hurt your reputation.



    *The above post is my opinion and should not be taken as anything but. Just one of the great rights afforded to us as Americans. Thank you to our troops for fighting for our rights to continue to say what we feel, even when others disagree! :salute:*
  • 07-07-2007, 09:51 AM
    Sausage
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    Does a "Good Guy" judge a book by it's cover? Cause I doubt very seriously you know him.

    Does a "Good guy" bash people on other forums? Has he ever personally done anything to you ?

    We aren't judging Allen on a personal scale, like I haven't seen anyone say "He's a fat ugly sack of crap who lives in his mother's basement." He could be the most wonderful guy in the world who pukes pure giggles in sunshine, but that doesn't mean I would buy animals from him. We're just observing how he conducts business, and from the looks of it, it sure ain't good!

    Ok, I'm off my :soapbx:
  • 07-07-2007, 10:09 AM
    xdeus
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    But for anyone who was thinking about buying from Allen .. just give him a call and you decide for yourself. Don't go by hear-say.

    Yep, I heard Joe Capone and Chris Johnson were really nice guys, too. Remember... actions speak louder than words and I don't much care for Allen's actions . Oh, and personally I don't care how nice of a guy he is, if he continues to sell animals after one of his dies from IBD , he's really not that nice of a guy...
  • 07-07-2007, 11:41 AM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jglass38
    I guess everyone is a liar and Allen is a standup guy. Yeah, that's it.. :colbert:

    Must be the conspiracy theory again ;)
  • 07-07-2007, 12:46 PM
    Big Daddy
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    See the problem here is that you people admittedly don't know me. You don't know whether or not my facilities are clean! You don't know whether I breed or buy animals! You don't know why, how or for what reason I am in this business! You don't know alot!!!
    So here's a small list of people who do know these answers. How about take half as much time as you waste posting on me and gossiping about me when really you don't even know me and use it constructively.
    Neil Golli
    Michael Cole
    Josh Baer
    Shawn Baer
    Terry Herring
    Dean Murphy
    This should give you a starting point. All of these people have been to my facilities. Some were announced and some weren't.
    SEE IF THE TRUTH IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE REALLY WANT, WHY DON'T YOU ASK SOMEONE WHO REALLY KNOWS?
    But if the truth from (respectable breeders) as one person called Neil Golli, who has seen with his own eyes is not what you really want. Then just continue to post and gossip about what your friends grandmothers nextdoor nieghbors stepsons bestfriends brotheri-in-laws co-worker said.
    Allen Belcher
  • 07-07-2007, 01:17 PM
    DanielA989
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    LOL Well that's fine I don't need you to buy from me. You don't know me either. You don't know anything about me just like you don't know anything about Allen. But I think BIG DADDY has spoken and I don't see anyone else posting now? But hey everyone has there own opinion. So I guess because some of my wonderful healthy animals came from Big daddy I must have learned to not clean there cages and give them fresh water everyday with feed and shed records just like every other reputable breeder? LOL I think you people are funny. But hey what do I know I am just a youngster right? LOL If you wanna trash me b/c of this knock yourself out.

    You all have a good day,

    Hey Allen how are you? People are ignorant what can you say?
  • 07-07-2007, 01:19 PM
    Sausage
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    lol, looks like somebody told on us. :rolleyes:

    You've made your opinion on Big Daddy clear, why not let our have ours?
  • 07-07-2007, 01:20 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Daddy
    See the problem here is that you people admittedly don't know me. You don't know whether or not my facilities are clean! You don't know whether I breed or buy animals! You don't know why, how or for what reason I am in this business! You don't know alot!!!
    So here's a small list of people who do know these answers. How about take half as much time as you waste posting on me and gossiping about me when really you don't even know me and use it constructively.
    Neil Golli
    Michael Cole
    Josh Baer
    Shawn Baer
    Terry Herring
    Dean Murphy
    This should give you a starting point. All of these people have been to my facilities. Some were announced and some weren't.
    SEE IF THE TRUTH IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE REALLY WANT, WHY DON'T YOU ASK SOMEONE WHO REALLY KNOWS?
    But if the truth from (respectable breeders) as one person called Neil Golli, who has seen with his own eyes is not what you really want. Then just continue to post and gossip about what your friends grandmothers nextdoor nieghbors stepsons bestfriends brotheri-in-laws co-worker said.
    Allen Belcher

    So its come to name dropping now? Seems like last gasp desperate measures to try to rebuild a reputation that has been destroyed because of YOU. Lets see if any of those guys (of which I have only heard of the first 2) come here to defend you and tell everyone else that they are wrong.
  • 07-07-2007, 01:23 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    LOL Well that's fine I don't need you to buy from me. You don't know me either. You don't know anything about me just like you don't know anything about Allen. But I think BIG DADDY has spoken and I don't see anyone else posting now? But hey everyone has there own opinion. So I guess because some of my wonderful healthy animals came from Big daddy I must have learned to not clean there cages and give them fresh water everyday with feed and shed records just like every other reputable breeder? LOL I think you people are funny. But hey what do I know I am just a youngster right? LOL If you wanna trash me b/c of this knock yourself out.

    You all have a good day,

    Hey Allen how are you? People are ignorant what can you say?

    That's right. Everyone has their own opinion. I am glad you find it funny. I don't, and I am pretty sure that most others don't. Some people are about the animals and some are about the money. I think the facts on Big Daddy's Wholesale speak for themselves and everyone can come to their own conclusions.
  • 07-07-2007, 01:36 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    People are ignorant what can you say?
    Does this quote include yourself?

    A buyer should be informed before making a decision (See BOI threads) and like they say there is no smoke without fire.
  • 07-07-2007, 01:37 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons
    Does this quote include yourself?

    A buyer should be informed before making a decision (See BOI threads) and like they say there is no smoke without fire.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GA_Ball_Pythons again.
  • 07-07-2007, 02:05 PM
    JLC
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Daddy
    See the problem here is that you people admittedly don't know me. You don't know whether or not my facilities are clean! You don't know whether I breed or buy animals! You don't know why, how or for what reason I am in this business! You don't know alot!!!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ContrAddiction
    You don't know me either. You don't know anything about me just like you don't know anything about Allen.

    This is precisely the issue for me. For you, or anyone else. I DON'T know the answers to those questions. Personally, I choose to do business with those that I DO know. And I encourage others who are just learning about buying animals in this way to do the same.

    Will I ever get to know you??? I dunno....that depends entirely on whether or not you seem like someone I would like to get to know. Therefore...how one goes about presenting themselves to the general public, and how they go about defending themselves or their friends DOES matter.....at least to some...regardless of how "good" a businessman or animal keeper you are.

    That's just me.
  • 07-07-2007, 02:44 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Personallly, I would not do business with Big Daddy Wholesale. On several occations I have seen them selling animals at reptile shows that are also listed for sale online at the same time. I do not prefer to purchase animals that could have been dragged around to every low class reptile show in the region. If that is not an issue for anyone else, let them have at it.

    That is my personal experience and observation....take it or leave it.
  • 07-07-2007, 02:54 PM
    Big Daddy
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Daniel do mean to tell me that you think other breeders don't take the animals that they are trying to sell to shows as well as post them on the internet. Come on!
    Allen Belcher
  • 07-07-2007, 03:11 PM
    SPJ
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    I admit not to having done business with Big Daddy and the reason for this was the BOI threads about him.


    Pictures of filthy conditions, multiple animals housed together in those filthy conditions, a case of IBD in his collection while he was selling animals, and the used car salesman aura he presents in his ads.

    I have done business with Mike Cole on a few occasions and have been very happy with the outcome. Does that mean I will now buy from Allen because of this? No. I make the decision to buy based upon all of the information I can gather. Right now, the negative information highly outweighs the positive.
  • 07-07-2007, 03:11 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Daddy
    Daniel do mean to tell me that you think other breeders don't take the animals that they are trying to sell to shows as well as post them on the internet. Come on!
    Allen Belcher

    Come on? I know other breeder do it.....and I would not purchase the animals that they drag around to multiple shows. Nothing personal. I just prefer animals that are kept in a more stable environment until they are sold to me. I think you and any other breeder that is constantly exposing their animals to the wild caught garbage at some of those shows should at least put a notice that the animal is a 'show animal' when you sell it. That is my opinion and preference....if that is not an issue for others, then let them get what they want from you.
  • 07-07-2007, 06:29 PM
    DanielA989
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Will I ever get to know you??? I dunno....that depends entirely on whether or not you seem like someone I would like to get to know. Therefore...how one goes about presenting themselves to the general public, and how they go about defending themselves or their friends DOES matter.....at least to some...regardless of how "good" a businessman or animal keeper you are.

    That's just me.[/QUOTE]


    I agree.
  • 07-07-2007, 06:41 PM
    DanielA989
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jglass38
    That's right. Everyone has their own opinion. I am glad you find it funny. I don't, and I am pretty sure that most others don't. Some people are about the animals and some are about the money. I think the facts on Big Daddy's Wholesale speak for themselves and everyone can come to their own conclusions.

    Yes everyone can come to there own conclusions. I kind of agreed with your post about me stating my opinion and leaving it at that and not get so touchy about it. I just don't believe that the BOI contains the whole story. But again what do I know? I also don't think Allen deserves this? I think you people have him all wrong b/c someone said this and that? But whatever. SOme of it is funny to me. The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them. Whether you like him or not is your opinion but don't come talk about someone you don't even know. Personally you don't wanna know what I think about your ignorance. But this is america and you can say as you please. I also agree again with you some our about money and some are about animals. Some people are about both. But I am not going to get into a pissing match with you cause hey that wouldn't do nothing but ruin my Daytona trip. So I'll leave it at that. Sorry for putting my .2 cents in.
  • 07-07-2007, 06:47 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    Yes everyone can come to there own conclusions. I kind of agreed with your post about me stating my opinion and leaving it at that and not get so touchy about it. I just don't believe that the BOI contains the whole story. But again what do I know? I also don't think Allen deserves this? I think you people have him all wrong b/c someone said this and that? But whatever. SOme of it is funny to me. The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them. Whether you like him or not is your opinion but don't come talk about someone you don't even know. Personally you don't wanna know what I think about your ignorance. But this is america and you can say as you please. I also agree again with you some our about money and some are about animals. Some people are about both. But I am not going to get into a pissing match with you cause hey that wouldn't do nothing but ruin my Daytona trip. So I'll leave it at that. Sorry for putting my .2 cents in.


    So you agree with my assertion that everyone can come to their own conclusions and state their opinions yet I am ignorant for stating mine. Sometimes its not just what you know about someone personally but a collection of information from different sources that help you to make a decision. I believe that you know Allen personally and believe that you think he is a good guy. Whether its true or not, I don't know. I can only go by what I have seen and from information I have gathered. I'm an adult and can handle people disagreeing with my opinions. Your 2 cents are respected and welcomed on this forum, even if I happen to disagree with some of them :)
  • 07-07-2007, 08:01 PM
    Sausage
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them.

    That has nothing to do with judging how he conducts business though.
  • 07-07-2007, 10:24 PM
    xdeus
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    this? I think you people have him all wrong b/c someone said this and that? But whatever. SOme of it is funny to me. The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them.

    Unfortunately there are a LOT of scammers and scumbags in this industry. For the most part the only thing a person has to go by when deciding to purchase from someone is their reputation as presented by previous customers. If I read a lot of negative reports from a variety of people about a breeder, why would I want to spend the time trying to get to know this person? There are way too many breeders out there to see if one person may have been wronged by a conspiratorial group of individuals.

    If that does happen to be the case, then the onus is on that breeder to clear his name and defend his position from those allegations. It shouldn't be too difficult if the truth is on his side...
  • 07-15-2007, 01:39 AM
    sw204me
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Not to stir up the hornets nest anymore then it already is, but from what I saw at the show this weekend, and how you treated a VERY unhappy customer, I wouldn't buy from you if you were giving your snakes away. Even your "assistants" treated the poor kid like crap, if any of the breeders here felt they did wrong to a customer, I guarantee they would of done anything within reason to fix the situation. You, you literally told the guy you are done, turned your back, and walked away. Great customer service there.

    I may not know you on a personal level, but I don't need to to know what I saw with my own eyes, to hear with my own ears. You are a disgrace to the herp society. I felt bad for the people looking at your table and asking you questions, I feel even worse for the people that buy from you or have in the past.

    I did find it amusing that when talking with the poor guy that got screwed, he said he got online and did some research on ya and said the amount of information out there that is all negative towards you didn't shock him at all. Reputation is powerful, and it doesn't just come out of thin air, it is based on your actions, your words, it is based on you.
  • 07-15-2007, 08:53 AM
    Reediculous
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jglass38
    If it looks lik poop and smells like poop, guess what it probably is?

    Since this isn't the BOI, I'll just repost these links from earlier in the thread.

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...daddy+wholesale

    http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...daddy+wholesale


    I guess everyone is a liar and Allen is a standup guy. Yeah, that's it.. :colbert:


    once again a little nobody is going to add something to the mix.............

    not to keep anything going but, someone asked a question, and Jamie answered without bashing the big baddy! he simply added a link that he thought was useful, now i would have to agree that when there is smoke there is fire......just a couple of old pennies from little ol me! (but some call me big daddy, but thats besides the point, not to be confused with the big daddy we are talking about) (happy sunday)

    p.s! isn't that what the boi is about........i don't even read the posts on there.....i look up a name.....and if i see negs......out weighing the positive case closed! no more too read........seriously who wants to waste their time and lie about a breeder.............i'm going to the gym ahhhhhhh :mad:
  • 07-15-2007, 08:54 AM
    Reediculous
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xdeus
    Unfortunately there are a LOT of scammers and scumbags in this industry. For the most part the only thing a person has to go by when deciding to purchase from someone is their reputation as presented by previous customers. If I read a lot of negative reports from a variety of people about a breeder, why would I want to spend the time trying to get to know this person? There are way too many breeders out there to see if one person may have been wronged by a conspiratorial group of individuals.

    If that does happen to be the case, then the onus is on that breeder to clear his name and defend his position from those allegations. It shouldn't be too difficult if the truth is on his side...


    my point exactly............:sweeet:
  • 07-15-2007, 10:18 AM
    qiksilver
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Daddy
    See the problem here is that you people admittedly don't know me. You don't know whether or not my facilities are clean! You don't know whether I breed or buy animals! You don't know why, how or for what reason I am in this business! You don't know alot!!!
    So here's a small list of people who do know these answers. How about take half as much time as you waste posting on me and gossiping about me when really you don't even know me and use it constructively.
    Neil Golli
    Michael Cole
    Josh Baer
    Shawn Baer
    Terry Herring
    Dean Murphy
    This should give you a starting point. All of these people have been to my facilities. Some were announced and some weren't.
    SEE IF THE TRUTH IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE REALLY WANT, WHY DON'T YOU ASK SOMEONE WHO REALLY KNOWS?
    But if the truth from (respectable breeders) as one person called Neil Golli, who has seen with his own eyes is not what you really want. Then just continue to post and gossip about what your friends grandmothers nextdoor nieghbors stepsons bestfriends brotheri-in-laws co-worker said.
    Allen Belcher

    you might have been better off assuaging people fears about the way you do business it would have been a much better approach.
    You always post pics of nice looking animals I have to say, but there are more bad stories about you than good, and if this above post is the way you are going to handle them, then I'd just as well not deal with you. Next time realize that public relations have a lot to do with how your business goes and that next time, instead of acting righteous you might want to go about answering some of the questions/accusations/problems people have had with you in a more productive manner.
  • 07-15-2007, 10:31 AM
    qiksilver
    Re: Big Daddy Wholesale
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    Hey Allen how are you? People are ignorant what can you say?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction
    The only ignorance I was talking about was YOU, someone who doesn't even know what he looks like or anything about him can just come on here and trash them.

    are you serious? Are you really going to fight another persons battles and trash your own name? You're not even going about it in an eloquent well spoken manner, you're like a bull in a china shop. You're calling everyone ignorant and making outrageous claims, and I don't think your 'business' will EVER get off the ground if you don't learn something about dealing with people. Both you and Allen really need to think about your business practices, and YOU need to stop being a jerk when people are stating their opinion based on the experiences of others. I think that yes, some have good experiences with a seller and some have bad, and in THIS particular case, after reading others' experiences and reading Allen's response I will never buy from this man because 1. others had sick/badly kept snakes from him and 2. because instead of dealing with the problem he acts as though he's above it.
    In my eyes, if you really think you need to take on a cause, donate to charity. Because to be quite honest, you really ruined how I will view your Contriction Addiction Reptiles, because I will always remember how you call everyone ignorant. No one on this site even bashed Allen hard, they just said from stories they heard, and there are lots of them, they wouldn't buy from him. And if you've had a good experience, post it in the BOI instead of acting like a jerk to people who know all about his bad sales in the past.

    This business has to do with how people perceive you, and you have to be at least a decent guy for many to want to buy from you, so good luck with that.
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