frist shed someone help

ok so i have my frist ball python that is about to shed she is in a 20 gal long and tell me if im doing this right i mist the cage and have a wet towel on top of the screen cage i use a uth and a over head light the humidity is at 82 right now her belly is pink and the skin is dull all she does is stay under the hide what should i do im going crazy also she has a cage mate so when she goes blue will she attack her cage parthner

Ummmmm?????? first off .......one snake one cage! You need to seperate your snakes immediately!!!!
You do not have to worry about your snake...sounds like she is doing what she is suppose to....when your snake is in blue they are even more likely to stay in their hide and not come out until they shed.
If you are using a UTH whay are you using an overhead light? What are your temps?
you may want to familiarize yourself with the caresheet section of this forum....there is a lot of useful information on this site if you are just willing to look for it and ask questions.
Please seperate your snakes ASAP

the air temp is 87 and i know u are not souppose to house bp togather but it is possible for them to live togather ok so what will happen when he is in blue should i divide the cage during this time

Honestly when it comes to questions on mutliple snakes being housed together I am not going to be any help as I do not have a clue how this affects the snakes......
If they are both about the same size I do not see what the problem would be in going and getting a cheap 10 gallon tank and another UTH for the second snake.....I know at the reptile store I go to I can get a 10 gallon for $10 and a UTH for a 10 for under $20....$30 seems cheap to me compared to the possibilities of injury to one or both snakes requiring vet attention or having one of the animals killed.

simplest solution is separate them... you can try and divide the cages and all sorts of stuff, but they are not going to be getting the best care if they are together. it is possible for them to live together... but not good for them. it's like saying its possible to eat thumb tacks, but is that good?

i think we went through this in another thread:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=49163

as for the shedding process try this:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/modules....warticle&id=57

True.. They can "live" together.. Maybe.. For how long until one of the snakes decides one day that this roommate of theirs no longer needs to "live"... Well, that's for you to decide. They can live together but they won't thrive, or possibly even survive for very long.

Your temps are too low. 92-94 warm side and 82-84 cool side, 24/7/365. Get a digital thermometer and KNOW what your temps are.

SEPARATE THE SNAKES... There are people here who have been keeping these snakes for longer than you have probably been alive, and they have PROVEN that it is in the animals best interest if they are kept by themselves, singly.

If one has parasites and ends up having diarrhea, do you know which one did it? If one regurgitates because it is being stressed by the other snake in the enclosure, how would you know which snake regurged? If both snakes stopped eating for months because YOU are being selfish and not taking care of the snakes' needs before your own "wants", how are you going to remedy the situation? AND if one of your snakes eats the other one out of a stress-induced reaction and they BOTH die because of it, how is that going to make you feel/look?

Wow.. Just wow.

Good luck with that!

ok i just had a question will the blue eyed one attack the other bp i know about the husbandatory factors i just wanted to know if they will attack when in shed and that will be the only time i will seperate them shedding and feeding

wouldn't that be a lot more work then just setting up two enclosures?

and yes when they are in blue they are pretty much blind, so it might strike defensively at the other one.

maybe when they are first born then i belive they can be housed together for a day or soo but after that i say seperate cages. and u do not need to use a light if you have a UTH (IMO) And like others have said when in blue they wont really come out of their hide. My snake does but shes stupid (I dont think she knows shes a BP) lol. But seriously you need to seperate you snakes and no offense but you said this is you first snake and this is its first shed so why did you go out and buy another one??? Please dont take offense to this i can be quite straight forward.

i have 3 and i figured if they are a good starter pet why not get three it was a good deal and they were nice looking and no i only have 2 in one cage and the boy stays in his own cage

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Originally Posted by jonnyboyz

i have 3 and i figured if they are a good starter pet why not get three it was a good deal and they were nice looking and no i only have 2 in one cage and the boy stays in his own cage

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Yeah, it might have been a good deal, but the deal doesn't matter if you aren't going to give them the proper housing. Only one snake per enclosure. Why would you rather let them be put throught the stress of housing them together? It's not fair to the snakes.

people have told me that they can live togather and other people have told me they cant i have a different setup if anything goes wrong so that is y i am not worried i just wanted to know if it will attack the other in blue stage

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Originally Posted by jonnyboyz

people have told me that they can live togather and other people have told me they cant i have a different setup if anything goes wrong so that is y i am not worried i just wanted to know if it will attack the other in blue stage

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Whatever floats your boat, dude...

Well, hopefully, they aren't in the same hide. My snakes stay in their hide while they are in the blue stage so as long as your snakes don't get close by each other, I doubt you would have a problem. Just be ready to take them apart if something happens.

But JW, if you have another setup, why not use that one for the second snake? It's not like they enjoy eachother's company, and it's rather selfish if you're keeping them together for display. (Not saying that's what your doing, just throwing some guesses out)

Sorry if I come out too harsh, I just want what's best for your snakes.

i just dont have a place to put the 10 gal and i will be leaving for va for this week so will this put stress on them when they are travling in the pillow case during shed

im just going to seperate the cage untill she is done shedding

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Originally Posted by jonnyboyz

i just dont have a place to put the 10 gal and i will be leaving for va for this week so will this put stress on them when they are travling in the pillow case during shed

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Oh, yeah. Usually, they will rub up against something while they shed to get it off. most likely, you will end up with a bad shed. Just be ready to soak him once you are in VA. Are you moving?

Sorry but by the sounds of it you aren't very bother about the well being of your snakes, infact it sounds like they are just something you saw and thought "Wow, those would look cool in my room".

If you want any help from people here then I advise you take their first piece of advice and SEPARATE you snakes PERMANENTLY.

Alot of the people on this forum breed BPs, so now you know for a fact they should be housed separately. Not simply because they might eat eachother (which is a possibility and they would both die) , purely because they don't live in groups and it causes alot of stress you could easily avoid if you actually cared.


TEK

no im staying there for the and i will be loosing the heat the heat lamp cause it will be to hot in va and i will keep the uth on but when in shed will put a wet rag over the top like i am doing now how long will it take for them to grow out of a 10 gal by the end of the summer

please do your snakes a big favor, accept the advice you've been given as it's all correct, why bother asking if your not going to do what's recommended? you are taking chances with your snakes that are silly, a bp WILL eat another bp if stressed enough, i know i've seen pics, not pretty, if you can't afford/spend time to do your husbandry correctly please find a home for them where they will be taken care of.

He is completely ignoring anyone whos giving him advice which he doesn't like the sound of. Personally I think you should own a hamster or something like that because you obviously don't care about what a BP needs.

Don't expect anyone to help you out if your not willing to take advice which is in the best interest of your snakes.

TEK

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people have told me that they can live togather and other people have told me they cant i have a different setup if anything goes wrong so that is y i am not worried i just wanted to know if it will attack the other in blue stage

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Not worried? Your husbandry is wrong, Ball Pythons are not to be housed together, people are telling you this because they want to help you. You need to seperate those snakes.

Look kiddo snakes are natural predators and predators don't show illness/stress often until it's far too late to do much about it. That's nature's way....sickly predators get themselves eaten. You aren't anywhere near experienced enough to know when they are in trouble. If you didn't know anything about ball pythons what possessed you to take on three of them! It's not a "good deal" for the snakes at this point.

How long are you going to be away from home? Is it worth it to drag these three snakes with you? Do you have proper and seperate enclosures ready for them at your destination?

The simple fact of the matter is these are snakes, not puppies. They can't be treated like social mammals. They need specific and very stable and appropriate housing. If you are too stubborn to see this and take the advice of snake keepers with years more experience than you have, then you probably need to re-think why you have these three snakes in the first place. We are all learning, we learn every day around here and most of us are smart enough to take solid advice based on experience and learn from that.

Listen dude, Please take this as it is, I am not here to attack you. But why is it so Important to keep these two in the same cage? If you do not have room for three enclosures then why do you need three snakes? You wouldnt deny them water because you dont like the look of it in the cage would you? Then why deny them peace and secruity that comes from seperate enclosures? Please do the right thing for your snakes, follow the advice given here. Before I came here my BP wasnt a consistant eater. Just by trolling the boards and making some adjustments that I got from here, My boy always eats on friday..... ALWAYS! So why not do whats best for the snakes? The people that said you can keep two snakes together probably dont have as much exprience as many of the people here.

As far as you question, Your snake is going to be VERY defencesive. If the other one comes near it there is a likely chance that it will get bit and who knows what else may follow from that.

Do the right thing.

I am going to state what i did before. Seperate your snakes!! Think of it this way then you have another tank to decorate with fancy little logs and branches and what not. I say this cus it does seem like you are housing them just for display purposes. if you want i would buy one of them off of you man. I am looking for another female anyways. I understand the urge to have more than one snake because after all you can't have just one. lol. But please im begging you seperate tham and you will see for yourself that they will be much happier. And I find it rather rude that you come on here and ask for advice and throw it back in the faces of the people just trying to help.

ok thank you i will put them in seperate cages but how long will a bp live in a 10 gal tank cause i dont wanna leave for the summer and then i have to get a tank while im in va

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Originally Posted by jonnyboyz

ok thank you i will put them in seperate cages but how long will a bp live in a 10 gal tank cause i dont wanna leave for the summer and then i have to get a tank while im in va

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you know, you could always buy a 28 qt tub from walmart for $6 to house them in. If you're worried about how much this is going to cost you, you could always do the tub method. I have my first BP in a 20g long tank, and my male pastel in a tub, and I'm switching them both to tub racks as soon as it comes in the mail.

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When the females become adults, they'll need to be moved into a 41qt tub, but if the male stays at a smaller size, he should do well in a 32 qt tub.

thank you i have had this said to me before but i perfer the tank i dont really like the look of a tub sitting in my room i just want to know will i have to change tanks by the middle of the summer i feed frozen hoppers every thursday all eat well

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thank you i have had this said to me before but i perfer the tank i dont really like the look of a tub sitting in my room i just want to know will i have to change tanks by the middle of the summer i feed frozen hoppers every thursday all eat well

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It really depends on the growth of your snakes. There's another thred that's had this same info mentioned,

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you should upgrade the size of your tanks if the tank is shorter than 2/3's of the snake's length.

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Here is that thread that I had mentioned by the way if you were interested in reading it.
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=49266