Which Carpet Python?

Well I am still kinda stuck on which snake to get, but my funds are growing way faster than I thought.

Its basically between a BCI, or Carpet.

I am pretty sure if it is going to be a carpet, it will be a jungle or Irian Jaya.

Besides size, what are the differences? Are either more docile/better feeders? Also which would cost more on average? I'm still looking for some at a decent price. I'm just afraid of a 20 pound 7 foot BCI. And hoping for a small BCI isn't a good idea which is why I kinda nailed it down to a carpet.

Anyone who knows differences can peep in and show me where to get some :)

Thanks

I wouldn't say that either is more docile than the other. They both can become very gentle snakes with some handling. If you are short on space, I would go with an IJ carpet.

Another difference is color. Here are some examples. These are both snakes I produced last year; the first is a male jungle and the second a male IJ.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/MPenn73/1MJCP.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/MPenn73/3M-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

Well I am still kinda stuck on which snake to get, but my funds are growing way faster than I thought.

Its basically between a BCI, or Carpet.

I am pretty sure if it is going to be a carpet, it will be a jungle or Irian Jaya.

Besides size, what are the differences? Are either more docile/better feeders? Also which would cost more on average? I'm still looking for some at a decent price. I'm just afraid of a 20 pound 7 foot BCI. And hoping for a small BCI isn't a good idea which is why I kinda nailed it down to a carpet.

Anyone who knows differences can peep in and show me where to get some :)

Thanks

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Personally i would go with the BCI....thats just me though, i LOOOOVE boa constrictors.

Ive handled a full grown female and although she is big and heavy shes really not that bad to handle (of course she is very docile though) Shes what made me decide (and feel very confident )to get my own female BCI. Maybe if you know someone who has a full grown male you could go over and spend some time with him....see how comfortable you feel.

Even when boas are young they are mostly pretty mellow....ive heard from many people that carpets are pretty nippy, some, even into adulthood(this is just what ive heard from other sources, i dont own any carpets)

Male BCI's can get big.....but i dont think most get as thick or heavy as the females

Both species are agressive feeders and almost NEVER turn down a meal. :)

If you go with a carpet, I'd have to say the IJ is my favorite. That's just a personal preference. I like the shades of brown/purple/yellow they display. Temperament-wise though, there's not much difference.

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Darkside wins!

On average, jungles are probably going to cost a bit more, and of course have a bit larger adult size. Other than that, they are pretty similar. Honestly, I think for most people size and price are close enough to the same and hopefully you can just go for whichever one you like the looks of better. As for me, I lean toward the jungle side for looks, so I will post a couple pics below to try and persuade you that way (power to the light side :sabduel: ) Also, purchasing from a breeder that you can stay in contact with and ask lots of questions if/when needed is pretty priceless in my oppinion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...l/DSCN2809.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...l/DSCN2895.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...l/DSCN1187.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../DSCN1111b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../DSCN2842b.jpg

Oh, and in fairness, here is a shot showing 3 juvies; an IJ, a jungle, and a coastal:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...g?t=1182666714

aren't carpets more arboreal then boas? so you would kind of need a little taller cage so they can climb right?

Ah, Ben, you don't play fair LOL:sabduel:. I too have a preference to good old black and yellows but I have seen some very very nice IJ's that tickle my fancy. I have seen cost generally cheaper on the IJ end compared to Jungles. If money isn't the issue like it started off for you how about a gorgeous Jaguar...what a great display snake. Yes, Carpets like to be aboreal and sit in ambush waiting for something to come by to be eaten. I also say that 2 would be better. I always feed mine on the same day but I wish I would split up to separate days so I don't have to wait to handle them all at once.

Ben, love that pic of all the 3 juvies hanging out. You gotta put me on your list for babies from that striped one, PLEASE! Who would you breed it to?

BUT, if I was to go the BCI route my personal favorite is the closest to all white as possible or other beautiful albinos. Those bright red tails on normal Suri's are just incredible.

Here's one of mine, Bam Bam JCP.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...pRsized400.jpg

Are there sites with Irian Jayas? I saw pythonsinapeartree or whatever from Mpenn, but if Irian Jayas and West Papuans are the same thing, his are more expensive. I did find some IJs for 100 + shipping, and look pretty nice.

Still a hard decision, but what would the measurements be for a full grown IJ cage? Like 28" x 16.5" x 30"?

Anyway thanks for the help so far

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Are there sites with Irian Jayas? I saw pythonsinapeartree or whatever from Mpenn, but if Irian Jayas and West Papuans are the same thing, his are more expensive. I did find some IJs for 100 + shipping, and look pretty nice.

Still a hard decision, but what would the measurements be for a full grown IJ cage? Like 28" x 16.5" x 30"?

Anyway thanks for the help so far

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You can look around at different CPs in the classifieds-python section of kingsnake: http://market.kingsnake.com/index.php?cat=7

BTW, Irian Jaya CP wins my vote.

as far as the carpets go, i think it is a matter of which one you like best. its your snake not anyone elses so you pick the color. me, i love the jungle but like i said, its your snake not mine.
good luck :)

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

Are there sites with Irian Jayas? I saw pythonsinapeartree or whatever from Mpenn, but if Irian Jayas and West Papuans are the same thing, his are more expensive. I did find some IJs for 100 + shipping, and look pretty nice.

Still a hard decision, but what would the measurements be for a full grown IJ cage? Like 28" x 16.5" x 30"?

Anyway thanks for the help so far

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Irian Jayas and West Papuans are the same snake. The Irian Jaya side of Papua New Guinea had a name change to West Papua; hence, the name change of the snake. Most people use both interchangeably. Much like "Chondro" for GTP's even though they are know classified as Morelia viridis.

You can keep IJ's in something the size of a 41 qt. Sterilite or Iris tub. I would think you could use more floor space than what your cage dimensions offer, but I believe that should work having a nice amount of vertical space.

You are welcome to search the classifieds on KS or anywhere else. Yes, you will find IJ's cheaper than mine. And, if you really do some searching, you will find some far more expensive than mine. Remember, you get what you pay for. ;) Just my :2cent: .

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Yes, you will find IJ's cheaper than mine. And, if you really do some searching, you will find some far more expensive than mine. Remember, you get what you pay for. ;) Just my :2cent: .

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Yes, this is the truth. And I can tell you guys, MPenn's carpets are some very good quality ones, especially his IJs. Remember, when you purchase from a good established breeder, you are also opening up a line of communication that you can tap into for information for years to come. You will never regret opening up good lines of communtication with knowledgable and experienced breeders. There are my :2cent: :sunny:

Charlie,

You have one from that striped one! The striped one in that pic is Skunk when he was a bit younger, and before he had met up with any of the ladies.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Irian Jayas and West Papuans are the same snake. The Irian Jaya side of Papua New Guinea had a name change to West Papua; hence, the name change of the snake. Most people use both interchangeably. Much like "Chondro" for GTP's even though they are know classified as Morelia viridis.

You can keep IJ's in something the size of a 41 qt. Sterilite or Iris tub. I would think you could use more floor space than what your cage dimensions offer, but I believe that should work having a nice amount of vertical space.

You are welcome to search the classifieds on KS or anywhere else. Yes, you will find IJ's cheaper than mine. And, if you really do some searching, you will find some far more expensive than mine. Remember, you get what you pay for. ;) Just my :2cent: .

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the people in this thread said IJ's are typically less expensive than jungles, but at your shop, they are twice as expensive :(. Yours jungles are the best price by far, but give me the "IJ costs as much as a jungle discount" and you will have yourself a deal :)

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Originally Posted by whyteboi

the people in this thread said IJ's are typically less expensive than jungles, but at your shop, they are twice as expensive :(. Yours jungles are the best price by far, but give me the "IJ costs as much as a jungle discount" and you will have yourself a deal :)

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If you were to look at the the adult jungles that Ben has or some of the other high end jungles out there by people such as Andrew Hare, Will Leary, Matt Turner, etc. you would see why I have mine priced the way I do.
On the flip side, my IJ's are some of the top five bloodlines in the States and the price reflects that.

I don't know if this will help you much, but it is a very reputable breeder of Carpet Pythons. I know he breeds Jungle's and I'm pretty sure he deals with Irian Jaya's . He also has a very good caresheet that I would read before thinking about getting a Carpet Python. Anthony Caponetto Reptiles

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I don't know if this will help you much, but it is a very reputable breeder of Carpet Pythons. I know he breeds Jungle's and I'm pretty sure he deals with Irian Jaya's . He also has a very good caresheet that I would read before thinking about getting a Carpet Python. Anthony Caponetto Reptiles

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Yes, he also breeds a very nice line of Irian Jayas.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

If you were to look at the the adult jungles that Ben has or some of the other high end jungles out there by people such as Andrew Hare, Will Leary, Matt Turner, etc. you would see why I have mine priced the way I do.
On the flip side, my IJ's are some of the top five bloodlines in the States and the price reflects that.

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Well I've seen mike's stuff..... and he is being modest. His IJ's are absolutely incredible. As for price, as mentioned.... due to the bloodlines, quality, etc. you get what you pay for. :2cent: :2cent: :2cent: My 6 cents worth!

Sounds like your still not sure what you want... do you have a local store that carries some of each that you can hang out with... help you decide between the two??? Scratch that... just re-read and saw your not interested in a BCI.

I really don't care what they look like, but how can your IJ's, or any at all be in a top bloodline? How is that determined, and what is that based on?

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I really don't care what they look like, but how can your IJ's, or any at all be in a top bloodline? How is that determined, and what is that based on?

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Same rule applies to any animal.... Well, anything actually. If there is a bloodline that has a desired trait... color, conformation, markings, temperament, heritage, etc.... it is sought after more. In turn, it costs more. If you are not concerned with all of that, (And let me add that there are no unattractive snakes IMO) Then just buy what you like and want to look at.

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Charlie,
You have one from that striped one! The striped one in that pic is Skunk when he was a bit younger, and before he had met up with any of the ladies. End Quote:

Alright, woo hoo. I thought it was from the other stiped stunner you picked up. Can' t wait for the SkunkxOpal pairing to happen. Skunk is just incredible.

As someone becomes new to a particular snake species it's great to have someone always there to help when you have a need. It's obvious Michael will do this since he is posting here helping with questions. I see him posting on other forums and his attitude reflects what I am saying. I've gotten help from Ben at AAR and they are always willing to help. So, beyond bloodlines, it's a great to have a great tudor available to answer all your questions who's been in it a while. This might be the kind of thing that sets breeders apart and I for one am willing to pay a little extra if comes down to it to get a well bred animal from a great breeder. Unfortunatley, there is a small handful of breeders that I wouldn't buy from even if I liked what they have to sell. Will you be just a number or a repeat customer?

Maybe that's something along the lines of you get what you pay for. It's not only about the money but the great service that's provided.

I hope some of this helps, I was a little tired.:rolleyes:

Here's a pic of Skunk offspring: How can you not like something like this?
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...-1r600x450.jpg

I'm not trying to add more confusion to your choice, but if you're looking at carpets, I personally don't think any are nicer than a large CCP. I have a juvie jungle, and they are great too, but my big Coastal is my favorite snake by far.

If size is a big factor though, disregard this.. :D

heh, my local pet store has a 3' to 4' IJ for 250.00, prolly not gonna take it though.

Im pretty much set on the IJ, unless I find a jungle whose parents were small :) which might be hard to find out, because not many sites or ads post info about parents.

What is the minimum size cage a full grown IJ would need? I found a 58g which I though was overkill, but it might be lacking in width/height

According to Anthony Caponetto, they aren't as arboreal as people put them out to be. They are good climbers, but they don't need the hight that arboreal snakes need

Oh man i thought i was done collecting snakes but those pics of the jungle carpets are almost enough to change my mind. Nice snakes guys /girls

Same here, I thought in the future, when I move out, I was going to get a red tail, but now those JCPs are giving me doubt. The colors on them are fantastic