albino ball prices in few years

hey

what do you think about the the lowest price in few years? can be 100-200$ ?

They may reach that price eventually, but it will take awhile. That is about the price that albino burmese go for right now, but they have been around six years longer and produce in MUCH larger numbers. Maybe ten years from know I could imagine buying an albino ball for $200.

I hope never...I'm not in such a hurry for morph prices to drop. As I have said before and still believe, some things aren't meant to be owned by everyone. Just because it exists doesn't mean the price has to drop down to where its affordable for the masses.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I hope never...I'm not in such a hurry for morph prices to drop. As I have said before and still believe, some things aren't meant to be owned by everyone. Just because it exists doesn't mean the price has to drop down to where its affordable for the masses.

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Agreed!!!

I hope their prices don't drop at all. Actually it would be nice if the prices went back up. Sadly I don't see that happening. :(

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I hope never...I'm not in such a hurry for morph prices to drop. As I have said before and still believe, some things aren't meant to be owned by everyone. Just because it exists doesn't mean the price has to drop down to where its affordable for the masses.

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I agree...this is the unfortunate problem that Yellow Belly's have...they have become very cheap. They have so much potential it is sad to see them becoming a mass market level Ball.

I agree about the Yellow bellys and the albinos, Ybs are big. Too bad spiders are doin it too. I bet Bumble bees are going to be where spiders are this time next year.

The reason recessive stuff is more expensive is because you have that 1 in 4 chance of producing a morph. Also, it can't be produced by breeding an albino to normal or het albino to normal with just one year. Co-dom and dom prices drop so fast because you have that 1 in 2 chance of producing a morph and you can breed a single male to 6 or 7 females. I will low ball it and say all 6 females will lay 5 eggs a piece, that should statistically leave you with 15 morphs. I don't see bumblebees and other mixes dropping that fast because you still only have that 1 in 4 chance of producing one.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

The reason recessive stuff is more expensive is because you have that 1 in 4 chance of producing a morph. Also, it can't be produced by breeding an albino to normal or het albino to normal with just one year. Co-dom and dom prices drop so fast because you have that 1 in 2 chance of producing a morph and you can breed a single male to 6 or 7 females. I will low ball it and say all 6 females will lay 5 eggs a piece, that should statistically leave you with 15 morphs. I don't see bumblebees and other mixes dropping that fast because you still only have that 1 in 4 chance of producing one.

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agreed. Any recessive morph will always hold their prices longer than a dom/co-dom morph. Same thing with the combo morphs, as they are a lot harder to come by

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I hope never...I'm not in such a hurry for morph prices to drop. As I have said before and still believe, some things aren't meant to be owned by everyone. Just because it exists doesn't mean the price has to drop down to where its affordable for the masses.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jglass38 again

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Just because it exists doesn't mean the price has to drop down to where its affordable for the masses.

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Amen brother!

NEVER!!!

I would never sell my albinos for that.. If they were that cheap, I would just keep them all and make combos.

Its amazing how much work we breeders have to put in to recessives in the first place.

People don't tend to think about that...

Depends... if we assume F. Classifieds sets the market price, sure, we could see that in several years time. But Fauna is peanuts compared to the industry as a whole. I'm willing to bet some of the big breeders sell at least as many balls as FC does as a whole.

Don't let KS and FC set the standards of pricing. Take a look at the breeders that do this full time... you'll notice their price fluctuations are nowhere NEAR as significant as you'll see on the classified sites.

It's set in stone that there's going to be two layers to this industry. The MKR style car salesman tactics, and those that are really interested in the quality of the animals they have. Take a look at what Sean Bradley has done with Clowns, Peter Kahl with Pieds, Markus Jayne with Pastels, Ralph Davis with Lucy's.

Are you ever going to find a super high contrast Albino with BRIGHT orange on solid white for $200? Not likely. But if you just want "a morph", there's no question you'll find a price you can afford.

I hope the prices don't drop. don't like it? you're in the wrong hobby.

Even though prices have dropped on spiders/albinos (and many others), I chose to go with a breeder who has quality animals, breeds for the passion of the animals and has an awesome reputation. Sure, I could have paid alot less than I am, but some things are not about how much it costs dollar wise. My investment will come back to me, not only hopefully in the form of future profit, but in the joy of having this beautiful animal in my collection.
As for the original question, God I hope they never drop that far down in price! It seems the less expensive things are, the more "throw away" people seem to perceive them in this society.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I hope never...I'm not in such a hurry for morph prices to drop. As I have said before and still believe, some things aren't meant to be owned by everyone. Just because it exists doesn't mean the price has to drop down to where its affordable for the masses.

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Oh and on that thought, it can be affordable to almost anyone thanks to wonderful breeders out there who offer payment plans. Work hard, save your money and if you want it bad enough it can be within your reach. You just may not get it TODAY. Thats why so many of us who are in it for the love of the snakes have hets. We don't care if it takes us a few extra months/years to get that morph. The dream is to SOMEDAY have it.

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

Oh and on that thought, it can be affordable to almost anyone thanks to wonderful breeders out there who offer payment plans. Work hard, save your money and if you want it bad enough it can be within your reach. You just may not get it TODAY. Thats why so many of us who are in it for the love of the snakes have hets. We don't care if it takes us a few extra months/years to get that morph. The dream is to SOMEDAY have it.

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I don't disagree. But the prices shouldn't have to come down so that people can afford it. If someone really wants it, they can find a way. :rockon:

LOL, yup. You put it better than I did. I have yet to learn the fine art of not writting a novel, lol.

I would rather see most prices where they are at right now, I even think some are on the low side. But then again, I don't tend to follow what KS or FC few seem to have "set" as prices. I will pay what I think the snake is worth to me, depending on many many factors. Like I said before I know I could have gotten a spider for less than what I am from someone else, but I am getting much more than just a snake from Adam. You get what you pay for.

I doubt we'll see any recessive morph get that low. The first morph to come out of africa was recessive the hypo or ghost and you still can get one of those for under 1000 bucks from a good breeder. We have seen a drastic drop in the price of com/dom stuff like pastels and mojaves and lessers cause any schmoo with a normal female and 1200 bucks to blow is producing them. Bigg breeders are trying there best to hold prices where they need them to be. Lets face it if every college kid and hobbiest out there got in to breeding you'd see NERD, RDR, and VPI get out of ball python morphs.

The over head of a smaller breeder is less and our commitment to the market is less than them.

I don't think albino's will ever be that cheap bud. Recessive rock!!!

If you look at the really inexpensive Ball morphs, they all have one thing in common, they are Co Doms. The YB, the Pastel, two morphs that anyone not living in a cardboard box can afford. I think it is great, to have a few affordable morphs, but I do not think the Albino will be in that catagory in the next few years, although I do think they will be under $1K this year. That being said, if a stunning Albino cross comes out, the price might surprise some of us and stablize. Also, supply, if people are doing crosses with their Homozygous Albinos, unlike Pastel and YB crosses, there may be fewer for sale certain years. Me, I will use my female Albinos for crosses, and male Albino and Het females for Albinos.

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

although I do think they will be under $1K this year.
Dave

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Aren't they already under 1K??? I would not be at all surprised to see $500 males in Daytona.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Aren't they already under 1K??? I would not be at all suprised to see $500 males in Daytona.

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No you can get an albino for around 1200 to 1500.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

No you can get an albino for around 1200 to 1500.

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last year yes....i've seen them for $900.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Aren't they already under 1K??? I would not be at all surprised to see $500 males in Daytona.

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If you shop around. I saw one on KS a few weeks ago for $800 for a hatchling male. I still expect them to stay over $1k this year

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

last year yes....i've seen them for $900.

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Yea I mean its all in where you look. I mean you can find them on KS for way cheep. But from most breeders I think you'll see them hang around the 1000.00 mark.. Or at least I hope so.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Yea I mean its all in where you look. I mean you can find them on KS for way cheep. But from most breeders I think you'll see them hang around the 1000.00 mark.. Or at least I hope so.

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You can find a lot of CRAP on KS. That site is a hole...

When you've got a market full of flippers undercutting each other back and forth to make sales (like in the ball market), the prices seem to go down pretty fast. Does that mean anyone producing albinos right now have to sell theirs for what those d-bags sell theirs for? Of course not!

Like anything else in life, you get what you pay for. Albino balls are rare snakes that are worth far more than what their market price is now. I do, however, think that after being around for 10+ years and still priced above $1000 is a pretty good run, especially with the way the ball market is today.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

You can find a lot of CRAP on KS. That site is a hole...

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Which is why people shouldn't base their pricing on KS. If we did that the market would be in the crapper in two seasons

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Which is why people shouldn't base their pricing on KS. If we did that the market would be in the crapper in two seasons

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I say base it on ANYTHING but KS.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I say base it on ANYTHING but KS.

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See what the market is doing and go from their like pastels I think good looking males are still worth 250.00 and spider males are worth 750.-900 depending. But thats just me

There is also the quality factor, most of the flippers are selling the lower quality animals from other breeders. So the price for a low quality animal is going to be significantly lower than what the breeder holds back to sell themselves. A good example is the reseller on fauna selling a 06 albino that is smaller than it should be at that age. It is priced cheaper than others but there is the risk that it will continue to be a problem feeder. You will also see the frequent "panic" sells by certain resellers when their credit card bills come due and they need to move animals. This makes it look like some morphs are dropping in price when they are actually holding pretty steady.

Bingo!

I just saw on KS an 07 Albino for 650.00 it was like 58 grams and maybe had two meals in it.. Is that worth saving 350.00 if it dies or never eats???

As always it comes down to, if you buy quality, you get quality. I'll spend the extra $ every single year to get quality animals.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

As always it comes down to, if you buy quality, you get quality. I'll spend the extra $ every single year to get quality animals.

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Like my dad always told me son..."You get what you pay for". If you pay for a 650.00 albino you'll get a 650.00 albino yes it will be an albino. If you pay for a 1500.00 Porsche you'll get a 1500.00 Porsche. Yea its a Porsche but will it look, run and be the same quality as a 150,000.00 Porsche...Thats a big NO good buddy. Pay for quality get quality. Pay for less get less.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Like my dad always told me son.. get less.

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I thought he always said, "Girl, you'll be a woman soon..." :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Like my dad always told me son..."You get what you pay for".

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I think dads are legally supposed to say that to their sons... along with: "There's no such thing as a free lunch", "Walk it off", and "Pull my finger". :P

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I thought he always said, "Girl, you'll be a woman soon..." :D

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Wow Jamie at least your dad was supportive of your choice.. :rockon:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Wow Jamie at least your dad was supportive of your choice.. :rockon:

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Burn. (pwnd for you kids)

The dilemma comes when you are breeding your snakes and doing it right, and you have a potential customer that comes along and says, "well, why should I pay $1000 for an albino from you when I can get one for $800 on kingsnake?"

The problem is that every buyer isn't going to understand the difference between a quality captive bred animal and another animal from a flipper that has had just enough time its short life to eat once or twice and change hands 5-6 times.

I think that the original question is this thread is trying to ask if ALL morphs and their prices are going to behave like pastel, mojave, and lesser prices. IMHO, the answer is NO, albinos will not be $200 anytime soon. They are just too desirable and I think that the demand for them will be so high in the $500-1000 range that they will never dip below that.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

The dilemma comes when you are breeding your snakes and doing it right, and you have a potential customer that comes along and says, "well, why should I pay $1000 for an albino from you when I can get one for $800 on kingsnake?"

The problem is that every buyer isn't going to understand the difference between a quality captive bred animal and another animal from a flipper that has had just enough time its short life to eat once or twice and change hands 5-6 times.

I think that the original question is this thread is trying to ask if ALL morphs and their prices are going to behave like pastel, mojave, and lesser prices. IMHO, the answer is NO, albinos will not be $200 anytime soon. They are just too desirable and I think that the demand for them will be so high in the $500-1000 range that they will never dip below that.

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Good post. Also lets hope anyone willing to pay 800.00 to 1000 buck for a ball python has enough knowledge to tell the difference between quality and non. I'm not saying that theres not quality animals to be had for a great price but with out seeing them in person I'd be scared to buy them.

Prime example theres a female spider 07 for 500.00 :eek: I'd be willing to bet my house its a train wreck spinner.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Burn. (pwnd for you kids)

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Lmao! Good one Lawrence! :cool:

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

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Lmao! Good one Lawrence! :cool:

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I'll let Freakie Ed have his moment in the spotlight. :D

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I'll let Freakie Ed have his moment in the spotlight. :D

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You da man Jamie.. :rockon:

I tend to blame a lot of the roller coaster like plunge on prices with certain morphs on KS and certain sellers looking to slit each others throats to get the sale before someone else does.... no matter the cost!

Albino's should always be considered one of the Jewels of the Ball Python world.

I saw a spider at the show a few weekends ago for $500. The poor thing looked maybe 40 g.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I saw a spider at the show a few weekends ago for $500. The poor thing looked maybe 40 g.

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DING DING DING!!!!!

We have a winner bet it had not even had two meals yet.. You get what you pay for.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

DING DING DING!!!!!

We have a winner bet it had not even had two meals yet.. You get what you pay for.

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I'm wondering if it even had it's first meal!

Here's an example of a "deal"
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=100124

An '06 albino that weighs 110 grams. Wow.

whoo hooo... another $200 bucks in my pocket..... Just kidding, if they ever fell to that price I'd never sell one. Here's a pic of my newest clutch. Not the best of odds, 1 out of 6. 2.3 66% het albino and 0.1 albino. I've produced a grand total of 5 albinos out of the last 4 years. despite what EVERYONE ELSE will tell you.... It's not always that easy. A lot of times I think it's the people who get lucky one year who panic and drop the prices. They may never produce that many albinos again, but by golly they're going to sell every one of them this year..... People just don't know how to think long term...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...albclutch3.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...albclutch2.jpg