How to kill mites with PAM

ok i took my snaks out and they are soaking in warm water. i took everthing out of the cage so its just the bare cage. i took it ousitde and sprayed it down with PAM. i am going to wait 45 min then put them all back right? newspaper, waterbowl, then snakes. with this be enought to kill the mites in their nose and eyes? and did i do everthing right?
thanks

Just to clarify - we are talking about Provent-A-Mite and not the cooking spray, correct?


Yes, treat the enclosure, not the snake - once the enclosure is completely dry and you put the snake in with it's substrate, etc - the mites will eventually all die (within a day or two).

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Originally Posted by djansen

ok i took my snaks out and they are soaking in warm water.

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Each snake has their own enclosure, correct?

No, a couple months ago our house caught on fire and we are living in an apartment till it gets fixed. i built a rack, but until then they all share one tank.
thanks for the help

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Originally Posted by djansen

No, a couple months ago our house caught on fire and we are living in an apartment till it gets fixed. i built a rack, but until then they all share one tank.
thanks for the help

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They all? How many are sharing a tank?

Ummmmm, the label of the Provent-A-Mite can says NOT to use it on an empty cage container, but to spray it in the substrate. That's how I use it, but I'm never sure how long I have to wait until it's dry, so I'm usu. waiting about 5-10 min before I put the snake back in...just to be safe.

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Originally Posted by sweety314

waiting about 5-10 min before I put the snake back in...just to be safe.

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Just to be safe i wait at least a few hrs to put the snakes in there tubs... 5-10 min is way to soon. Be careful its dangerous stuff. :2cent:

I used it just like the directions stated, and it took almost all day for the fumes to fully clear. Also, why did you spray the bare cage? The directions make it clear to NOT do that?

Empty tank, wash it down really good, dray it out, put substrate in, spray it down like it says, and wait till you cant smell it anymore, I was sticking my head in his tank and taking huge wiffs of air, if i smelled any PAM, I let it sit more, took almost all day befor all I smelled was the aspen. Put everything back in, and rock'n'roll.

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

I used it just like the directions stated, and it took almost all day for the fumes to fully clear. Also, why did you spray the bare cage? The directions make it clear to NOT do that?

Empty tank, wash it down really good, dray it out, put substrate in, spray it down like it says, and wait till you cant smell it anymore, I was sticking my head in his tank and taking huge wiffs of air, if i smelled any PAM, I let it sit more, took almost all day befor all I smelled was the aspen. Put everything back in, and rock'n'roll.

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um, i use newspaper so what would be the point of putting them back in old newpaper? and nowhare on the bottle does it say not to spray on a bare tank. and also, i did it outside for an hour and the wind blowing pretty hard so it was dry after like 10 min but i waited an hour.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

They all? How many are sharing a tank?

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3 and they are about 300-400 grams. they are in a 20 gallon long.

I think it's because it keeps working on the substrate as the snake moves along and the mites hop off - so you would add fresh newspaper then treat?


Never used the stuff mind you so I'm just going with what others have said in the past.


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

I think it's because it keeps working on the substrate as the snake moves along and the mites hop off - so you would add fresh newspaper then treat?


Never used the stuff mind you so I'm just going with what others have said in the past.


dr del

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ok, thanks
so when should i treat it again? and i usually have them on aspen but switched them over to newspaper since i found the mites. should i put fresh aspen in then treat or newpaper till i am sure they are gone?

I'd wait for other responses from people who have actually used the product on that. My gut instinct says to use the aspen because it would be in the cage for a longer period owing to spot cleaning rather than the whole replacement that you get with newspaper - but my gut is kinda dumb on occassion.:P


Hopefully some of the more experienced will answer your question soon.:)


dr del

Leave them on paper....it is easier to verify that the mites are gone. I would plan to keep them on paper for the next couple of months. Mite eggs take some time to hatch so you want to make sure they were killed as well.


With the Aspen the mits might hide and start reproducing again.

^^^^^^ see? told you my gut was kinda dumb :D




dr del

I can take pics of the can if you like, but it states clearly on there not to spray a bare tank, but its def on there. Use how you like, but this stuff isnt to be messed around with, your tank, your snakes, your call.

As for how often you should treat, on the can PAM says to treat a tank once a month for 3 months to completely kill off the mites. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

I can take pics of the can if you like, but it states clearly on there not to spray a bare tank, but its def on there. Use how you like, but this stuff isnt to be messed around with, your tank, your snakes, your call.

As for how often you should treat, on the can PAM says to treat a tank once a month for 3 months to completely kill off the mites. Good luck.

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yeah reading. but yeah, i agree, it says all this on the can, and it definitely says the substrate bit because PAM works by evaporating or something so it would do nothing to spray a substrateless tank where it will be gone in a few hours. and as for the breathing in as much pam as possible I wouldn't do it. I sprayed it in my small studio apartment and i was dizzy, and light headed for the rest of the day.

when i used it i only had to use it once. Also i switched to paper towels until i was absolutley sure the mites were gone(in a quarantine tub on a flexwatt), then i put the snake in the rack with the rest of his buddies. Also i guess under the circumstances you have them in one tank, but as soon as you can you should seperate them. You know how thta goes....

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

Leave them on paper....it is easier to verify that the mites are gone. I would plan to keep them on paper for the next couple of months. Mite eggs take some time to hatch so you want to make sure they were killed as well.


With the Aspen the mits might hide and start reproducing again.

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actually that isn't necc. - the Provent-A-Mite (not Pam cooking spray) works so well it doesn't matter if you have them on Aspen or newspaper/papertowels etc.

So, personally, I'd put them back on whatever substrate you normally use... and do a respraying just on the substrate... let it dry an hour and put the snakes back in.

Since you are choosing to house them together temporarily... be sure to have lots of hides!!!

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

actually that isn't necc. - the Provent-A-Mite (not Pam cooking spray) works so well it doesn't matter if you have them on Aspen or newspaper/papertowels etc.

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My comment was based on the fact that he already has them on paper due to someone elses recommendation. You are correct it doesn't matter...but it is still easier to see the mites on paper vs. buried in a substrate...especially since he has more than one snake in the same tank (and more hides = more places for them to hide) :D

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

I sprayed it in my small studio apartment and i was dizzy, and light headed for the rest of the day.

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This is interesting since the active ingredients in PAM have no neurological effect on people or animals (scientifically proven). They spray this in restraurants (the active ingredient - while people are eating) to make sure there aren't any critters flying around. I have an automatic sprayer in my garage (where my rats are breed) for the past 8 years with no issues and no bugs :D

I was more or less huffing the stuff and never got dizzy or even a headache, my reasoning was if I can smell it or it effects me, then it will do Max 10x's worse. So thats the reason I was sticking my head in his tank and smelling every few hrs till it was clear.....although I wouldn't recommend huffing this, the smell is horible, go get a plastic bag and some helium, got a good time right there... :D :D

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

My comment was based on the fact that he already has them on paper due to someone elses recommendation. You are correct it doesn't matter...but it is still easier to see the mites on paper vs. buried in a substrate...especially since he has more than one snake in the same tank (and more hides = more places for them to hide) :D

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i hear ya... my thought (and yes, i should have written in my post LOL) was that with aspen... the balls have the option of going under the substrate to create a hide for themselves (since they are being kept together).

bottom line: either one is going to work :sunny:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

bottom line: either one is going to work :sunny:

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Great minds think alike ;)

oh ya baby!!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

yeah reading. but yeah, i agree, it says all this on the can, and it definitely says the substrate bit because PAM works by evaporating or something so it would do nothing to spray a substrateless tank where it will be gone in a few hours. and as for the breathing in as much pam as possible I wouldn't do it. I sprayed it in my small studio apartment and i was dizzy, and light headed for the rest of the day.

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ok, i read to spray on the substrate but i never saw anything that says not on a bare tank.

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

I can take pics of the can if you like, but it states clearly on there not to spray a bare tank, but its def on there. Use how you like, but this stuff isnt to be messed around with, your tank, your snakes, your call.

As for how often you should treat, on the can PAM says to treat a tank once a month for 3 months to completely kill off the mites. Good luck.

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ok, i really care for my snakes so dont imply that i am going to do things hazerdous to their health. and i did read about the once a month but if i did it on a bare tank i did it wrong and if would not work right?

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Originally Posted by djansen

ok, i really care for my snakes so dont imply that i am going to do things hazerdous to their health. and i did read about the once a month but if i did it on a bare tank i did it wrong and if would not work right?

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It will still work...but you want to spray what the snake will come in contact with. So whatever substrate you decided to stick with (newspaper or Aspen) just be sure and spray it (and allow to dry) before putting your snakes back in.

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

It will still work...but you want to spray what the snake will come in contact with. So whatever substrate you decided to stick with (newspaper or Aspen) just be sure and spray it (and allow to dry) before putting your snakes back in.

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no, that's wrong... don't listen to sean :P you are not supposed to spray the hides or water dish! just the substrate, bin and lid :neener:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

no, that's wrong... don't listen to sean :P you are not supposed to spray the hides or water dish! just the substrate, bin and lid :neener:

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Now that is just mean...you are picking on me Boo hoo hoo hoo :rainon: :depressed

Can't we just get along :hug: LOL

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

Now that is just mean...you are picking on me Boo hoo hoo hoo :rainon: :depressed

Can't we just get along :hug: LOL

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

I can take pics of the can if you like, but it states clearly on there not to spray a bare tank, but its def on there. .

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This is true. I just looked at my can (the PAM, not my butt, lol.)

was i the only 1 that noticed that he said he had 3... BP's.... in a 20 gallon tank... at the same time...

The thread is four years old. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dr del

The thread is four years old. :rolleyes:

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Where do you buy Pam(not the cooking spray)

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Originally Posted by Gabe Rienzo

was i the only 1 that noticed that he said he had 3... BP's.... in a 20 gallon tank... at the same time...

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Lol... last post was in 2009, and in the OPs defense, he stated he had a house fire and was in the process of building a rack. The 20 gal was temporary.

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Where do you buy Pam(not the cooking spray)

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Pro-products.com


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Never used the stuff but when I had mites in the past. I stripped the tank put paper towels in and used a very very diluted bleach to water formula the vet gave me. It dries in like 5-10 minutes and you spray the tank down then wipe up and let it sit.. ( Mean while give your snakes a bath. ) Then in a 5 gallon bucket soak all their stuff. Branches,hides, etc... In a bleach to water formula and let it dry.

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Originally Posted by sweety314

Ummmmm, the label of the Provent-A-Mite can says NOT to use it on an empty cage container, but to spray it in the substrate. That's how I use it, but I'm never sure how long I have to wait until it's dry, so I'm usu. waiting about 5-10 min before I put the snake back in...just to be safe.

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to be safe I wait an hour - I can usually still smell the PAM after 30 min.