emerald jewels?

i just got off the phone with providence reptiles in central fl. i bought a pair of normals, and he says he accidentally sold me an "emerald jewel" female. he said they are the first to introduce this morph. has anyone heard of them? he said they have a green tint to their bellies? i dunno, but they sell for $200 on their website, and i got mine for $30. :rockon:

Pic would help.

But I'd say there's a 102% chance that you got a normal. ;)

http://providencereptiles.com/aboutus.html

thats the link to the page. i went and picked out the snakes i wanted, so theres no way he is gonna switch it out for a real normal (if that isnt what the "emerald jewel" is already)

i think they think they really came up with a new morph, or else i dunno why they would dedicate their front page of the website to them

I didn't see any pics that showed the "green belly" just looked like normals.

There are tons of people out there who receive a shipment of CH animals, and try to market the fancies as new morphs.

Ask the breeder if they have consistently reproduced this animal. Only then is it considered a true proven morph.

It looks like that breeder is just flipping CH animals.

That must be some spectacular "Morph" if they are accidentally getting sent out as normals LOL

you guys make an outstanding point

They say they have cinnis, mojos, and so on but no pics on their page and their pushing this emerald jewels..I'd have to agree with Brad unless they can reproduce it with predictable outcomes

yeah, I happened on their site before reading this post. they looked like normals to me. just the way they marketed it, "only letting a few go to get the word out there" or something to that effect sounded kinda funny. :rolleyes:
did you get the snake yet? I'd love to see some belly shots. :D

I couldn't see anything on these snakes that made them alike to each other. Yes, they were nice looking snakes, but none of the "Emerald Jewels" had any charactaristics that made them look like each other. I know he also claims that another breeder is working with this "morph" and that it is genetically inherited.

im getting them on tuesday. ill be sure to post some pics

Congrads on your new ball pythons :gj:

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Originally Posted by casperca

yeah, I happened on their site before reading this post. they looked like normals to me. just the way they marketed it, "only letting a few go to get the word out there" or something to that effect sounded kinda funny. :rolleyes:
did you get the snake yet? I'd love to see some belly shots. :D

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...does make ya think .......selling the ' morph ' before its proved out ...interesting concept that :O

still congrats on the new balls they are nice .

One may say that The Treasury note with the likeness of Ben Franklin on it is an emarld jewel, maybe that is what hes trying to prove out, or better yet pry out of your wallet.



Bill

Man, I just read a thread somewhere about these and to me - they look like normals to me - now I'm on a mission to find that thread! :(

So far, the only thing I can find is this ad where the seller was asked if these were proven, to which he states no - but they're convinced they will prove out. Not the discussion I'm thinking about, however.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=Emerald+Jewel

Here's the link I was thinking about. I don't know who this guy is, or what his reputation is, but he does seem to like to "hype" his stock. The first snake posted in this ad, he was selling as a hypo when he first put this ad up.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ad.php?t=98986

hello this is tim..owner of providencereptiles..i appologize for any mis-understandings about these animals..i beleive thomas mis-understood me about the (emerald jewel) we have not proved them out or anything like that..was simply a name we gave to a group of animals we got this year..we got enough of them from our hatchery in africa and set them aside..obviously we should not have given them a name as this has caused drama on 2 different boards..this was not our intent..we gave it the name emerald jewel based on the side pattern and belly..they have a emerald green sides (emerald jewels)..i have tried to capture this on camera but have not been greatly lucky in it..everyone who sees them in person loves them so therefore i put them on the front page.....

my web-site is being updated regularly..some asked why no pics of the cinnies etc we havent had time nor have babies hatched out this year and i have so many other things to do right now..im trying to set up new location etc so i havent been able to get everything up there..since im selling babies right now so im posting thier pics first..also working with my green trees so they have been getting my attention

again i will have to go back and correct the page on my web -site..was not intended to deceive anyone..therefore the price on these animals is low $150-175...

we dont know what this animal will do..it does seem to be genetic but we do not promise that..it may only be a locale thing and you would have to line breed to keep it therefore we have kept the pricevery low in comparison to other COMMON fancies being sold right now..

as far as the quote about other un-proven morphs was not related to these..sorry if this was conceived that way...

i am working with 3 different lines of blurries..melonistic females..burgandy albino and several others..that is what was ment by un-proven morphs..again i appologize for any mis-confusion..i posted the pic that thomas bought accidentally and i honered the price he paid for a normal looking common..i thought i had explained it more carefully on the phone

if anyone has more questions feel free to contact me on my phone
863-651-7799
or email me at
providencereptiles@yahoo.com

again sorry for the confusion

thanks tim

thanks for clearing that up tim. ill give you a call when i get out of work. i cant wait to get my babies and post pics!

hey guys, i think i need to apologize to an extent. im fairly new to this and now see that the word "morph" shouldnt be used so readily. tim @ providence reptiles is getting alot of heat about these emerald jewel snakes that i went and called "morphs" when i shouldnt have. they are just different looking snakes that he named because of their color. i hope to post pics of them on tuesday when i receive them and we can get this all cleared up

I look forward to seeing the pics - I can't get the others to show anything unusual.:(

dr del

here's my take, even if it is genetic or proven out. so what? to me it still has to have a "wow factor":cool:


genetic or not i wouldn't buy one, doesn't float my boat.


vaughn

we are adding pics to the site tonight so everyone can see why we gave them that name..visual is on belly and sides not top view..if anyone will be in Orlando for the show this weekend i have sent some with Michael Cole of Ballroompythons..go to his table and they will be there..

thanks tim

I went by Michael's table (Ballroom Python South) at the Orlando show this morning and saw the "emerald jewels". They do have an interesting color on their sides and bellies. Michael was quick to point out that they had not been proven genetic . . . just cool looking fancy normals for right now.


If I had the space and the time, I wouldn't mind picking up a couple to grow up and see if they prove out. At worst I'd have a couple of very nice looking normals and if they prove to be genetic, a new color to add to the mix. When you consider they were selling them for the price of a fancy normal, not a bad deal at all IMHO.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

There are tons of people out there who receive a shipment of CH animals, and try to market the fancies as new morphs.

Ask the breeder if they have consistently reproduced this animal. Only then is it considered a true proven morph.

It looks like that breeder is just flipping CH animals.

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They are captive hatched imports, if you click on the info about emerald jewels he states they are ch imports, nothing proven yet and nothing promised.

i was going though what he has for sell and it seems a little far out there for example 4 MALE SHOT GUN PATTERN LESSER STRIPE

http://providencereptiles.com/files/DSC09097.JPG
which is not a lesser by any means.

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Originally Posted by gncz73

i was going though what he has for sell and it seems a little far out there for example 4 MALE SHOT GUN PATTERN LESSER STRIPE

http://providencereptiles.com/files/DSC09097.JPG
which is not a lesser by any means.

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has nothing to do with a lesser plat..pic 3 was a male with more of a stripe and shotgun pattern but it sold..there fore for the description of lesser stripe then #3..however #3 is now gone..seems as though some will never be satisfied..that male is posted for $75..far cry for what im selling my lesser plats for this year..oh well i cant please everyone

thanks tim

I think you just need to watch the wording. The "Shotgun pattern with less striping" wouldn't be as confusing. To me the green emeralds look like normals, but I am highly aware that some traits don't come out in pictures very well. I'd love to see some in person, and didn't know about the show this weekend unfortunately. But then, I'm sick anyway, don't need to make a drive down to orlando while ill.
The site DID state "Not proven" and that makes it fine with me. Yellowbellies were "Not proven, possible new morph" a few years ago, and the traits are subtle with them too. Maybe these greens also look subtly different in person?
I hope those prove out for you and all!
Dinking projects are always fun!

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I think you just need to watch the wording. The "Shotgun pattern with less striping" wouldn't be as confusing. To me the green emeralds look like normals, but I am highly aware that some traits don't come out in pictures very well. I'd love to see some in person, and didn't know about the show this weekend unfortunately. But then, I'm sick anyway, don't need to make a drive down to orlando while ill.
The site DID state "Not proven" and that makes it fine with me. Yellowbellies were "Not proven, possible new morph" a few years ago, and the traits are subtle with them too. Maybe these greens also look subtly different in person?
I hope those prove out for you and all!
Dinking projects are always fun!

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i think some people are just wanting to jump on anything..while at the show today i heard of one person calling another vender to see who i was

yes the green does look different in person..it is a very subtle trait..those who seen it this weekend all agreed

thanks tim