mojave x spider?

Anyone ever seen or heard of one? If ya have a pic wanna post? I figure everyone loves spiders and everyone loves mojaves, so y not put them together?


~mike

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...4/DSCN1369.jpg

First produced in 2004 by Renaissance Reptiles

huh, Almost looks superish to me, thanks for the pics, i wish it was a better pic of likt the whole hatched body.


~mike

Second row second second from the right
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ava...ders-large.jpg

thanks, nix that super looking remark.



~mike

I personally don't love it. So much better can be done with both those morphs.

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I personally don't love it. So much better can be done with both those morphs.

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I'm with you Jamie its ok but not really as out standing as say a Axanthic killer bee or something

I will agree with you both, i thought that it would look so much cooler with the flames and the high white sides, and yellower pattern


~mike

Albino mojave should be interesting

I used to have the same feeling as Jamie and Ed until I saw one in person. I don't think I have seen a pic that does them any justice. I do however hav plans of making one this season. So maybe I can try out my photo skills on one next year.

p.s. Jake, I don't know about Albino Mojave, but the Caramel Albino Mojave is to die for.

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I don't know about Albino Mojave, but the Caramel Albino Mojave is to die for.

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Got a picture?

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I personally don't love it. So much better can be done with both those morphs.

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Here is a picture from the Renaissance Reptiles site. I think the Spider Mojave looks kick ass.


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Second row second second from the right
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ava...ders-large.jpg

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Which reminds me..........

Has NE1 heard something from Kara about an ID table for their spiders poster??? I'm still newbie enough that I can't identify some of them. :( ( Makes it hard to explain to friends what they are---and I looooooove sharing the poster! )

OMG, and I thought I was just about done with my Wish List. Dang it! I love that spider mojave!!! And I wasn't too keen on the 'javes beforehand. But WOW!! :eek: :eek:

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I used to have the same feeling as Jamie and Ed until I saw one in person. I don't think I have seen a pic that does them any justice. I do however hav plans of making one this season. So maybe I can try out my photo skills on one next year.

p.s. Jake, I don't know about Albino Mojave, but the Caramel Albino Mojave is to die for.

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Tim I agree with you there 100% about the spider mojave.I'm also kicking myself for NOT doing that cross this year.I put a cinny and a pastel to one of my adult spiders instead.
Not that I regret it but the spider mojave is definitely one I WILL be doing next season :D

Albey see now that is a MUCH better pic of there spider mojave.The first pic I saw of it did not impress me but that's a GOOD pic of it.

Oh by the way Alby a couple of snakes I would LOVE to see a million pics of is your Pewters :D
The ones you produced and posted before are by FAR the BEST and HOTTEST looking pewters I have ever seen and just make me week in the knees :D I would just LOVE a pewter that looks that HOT.

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Here is a picture from the Renaissance Reptiles site. I think the Spider Mojave looks kick ass.

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That is definitely a much better picture than any other I've seen. Thanks for posting it Albey!

I did not know where that pic was, but that is the best pic I have seen. I still think they look better in person.

Petboy, I have never seen a pic of the Caramel Albino Mojave on the inernet, but it is in VPI's new "Pythons of the World Vol. II" book.

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Here is a picture from the Renaissance Reptiles site. I think the Spider Mojave looks kick ass.

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See now I like that ..

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See now I like that ..

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Like that? i love it!!! thats what i was imagining when i originally posted the topic. Those other pics were nothin like that one. I love it!!!

~mike

Mike just something I wanted to put out there. The snake in the picture above is the same snake that was posted at the beginning of the thread crawling out of the egg. Age does help some ball pythons, and the picture quality is much better.

I agree the pic quallity is much better which has dramatically changed my opinion. I never saw one before those first few pics. and seeing that animal made my jaw drop. (sorry for all the back and forth mind changing).


~mike

I understand the mind changing. I will tell you that one of the things that turned me off about that animal is the hatching environment of the first one ever hatched (the one in the pic by the way). I watched that snake hatch in a deli cup on a vendor table at the Daytona show in 2004. I thought it was bad taste, but a beautiful snake.

I was surfing around and found out that the Sutherlands have a female for sale.


http://ballpython.com/page.php?morph...&Result_Set=20

Bottom of the page.

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I did not know where that pic was, but that is the best pic I have seen. I still think they look better in person.

Petboy, I have never seen a pic of the Caramel Albino Mojave on the inernet, but it is in VPI's new "Pythons of the World Vol. II" book.

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Tim, that pic of the baby caramel albino mojave is amazing! :tongue2:

Credits under the pic name the Snake Keeper (SK) - I would sure like to see later pics.

Hey Tim and Alice I spoke to Tracy about the Caramel Mojave and she said that it was a ghost mojave not a Caramel. I called her about it after seeing the picture. The snake does look awesome though!


Brock :8:

Brock,
Thanks for the update. I was wondering why the project was so secretive, however, when credit was given to Dan and Collette, I figured that if anyone had done it, it was them.

Ok, is there a caramel mojave or not?

It sounds like the pic in the book might have been mislabeled.

Is the link to the snake keeper site below talking about the spider mojave or a caramel mojave (I'm not finding one of those)?

I'm sure they had thought of it on their own but I told Colette years ago I thought caramel and mojave would make a cool combination. The closest I could come was trying to breed a 50% chance het caramel male to a pet store girl with mojave like characteristics but the pair didn't produce in 2002 or 2003. The girl did finally produce eggs out on a breeding loan for the first time this year but to a non caramel gene male and still about a month to go to hear what hatches to see if she might even be genetic. Sold my possible het caramel male so should take me another decade or two to get that project done lol. I want to see what it looks like much sooner.

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Ok, is there a caramel mojave or not?

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Yes, it can be seen on page 79 of the VPI book. That animal is a caramel mojave. Confirmed :cool:

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Yes, it can be seen on page 79 of the VPI book. That animal is a caramel mojave. Confirmed :cool:

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Grabbing book....opening to page....drooling copiously...

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Yes, it can be seen on page 79 of the VPI book. That animal is a caramel mojave. Confirmed :cool:

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I'm glad you got the confirmation on that. I've been waiting to find out. Great work Bro, now get some real work done.

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now get some real work done.

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Yes, I suppose I should be setting up your black Axanthics :rolleyes:

You right. Were you setting them up in the shipping container or what?

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You right. Were you setting them up in the shipping container or what?

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Yes, gotta run em down to the post office later today..maybe I'll pick up some .02 stamps while I'm there :P

So I should be getting them in about 72 hours?

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So I should be getting them in about 72 hours?

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I'm not springin' for Priority :eek:

7-10 business days. They will have most likely shed by the time you get em :gj:

Awesome.

p.s. I also would like to apologize for completely hijacking this great thread.

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Awesome.

p.s. I also would like to apologize for completely hijacking this great thread.

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GRRRR I HATE HIJACKING!!!!!! JUST KIDDING!!!!!!! LOL!! you guys are funny

~mike

Click here for picture

from the snake keeper website

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from the snake keeper website

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I'm thinking that is a picture of the mojave spider and not a caramel mojave.

The reason I questioned if the book picture was a caramel mojave was this comment:

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Hey Tim and Alice I spoke to Tracy about the Caramel Mojave and she said that it was a ghost mojave not a Caramel. I called her about it after seeing the picture. The snake does look awesome though!


Brock :8:

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I'm thinking that is a picture of the mojave spider and not a caramel mojave.

The reason I questioned if the book picture was a caramel mojave was this comment:

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it is mojave x spider

I put it there since that was the topic of the thread

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Yes, it can be seen on page 79 of the VPI book. That animal is a caramel mojave. Confirmed :cool:

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Thanks for the confimation Cue. Do you have any other pics of the caramel mojave as it grew?

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Thanks for the confimation Cue. Do you have any other pics of the caramel mojave as it grew?

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Alice,
TSK produced the Caramel Mojave, so Cue can't take any updated pics of that one. Just wanted to point that out in case you didn't know who produced the snake.

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Alice,
TSK produced the Caramel Mojave, so Cue can't take any updated pics of that one. Just wanted to point that out in case you didn't know who produced the snake.

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Good point Tim. I was hoping that TSK might have provided other pics to VPI (for the book) that Cue could post.

Cue, did you confirm the caramel mojave by looking in the book or talking to the Barkers? It's just that Brock reported talking to Tracy and it sounded like a confirmation that the picture in the book was mislabeled. Not a big deal either way, those things happen, it's just I really want to know if we have seen a caramel mojave yet or not. I know TSK has hypo mojaves and I've seen a really nice one. Maybe the caramel mojave is very similar or maybe not.

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Cue, did you confirm the caramel mojave by looking in the book or talking to the Barkers?

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I talked to Tracy.

For further confirmation you could also contact SK :gj:

Is this what everyone is talking about?? It is awesome!

http://ballpython.com/morph.php?morph=hypomoj

That is very nice but not what I'm talking about anyway. Apperently there is a picture of a caramel mojave (not hypo mojave) in the Barker's book and Brock was mistaken that it was a mistake.

I happened to get an e-mail from TSK today on another subject so I used the opportunity to ask about the "caramel mojave" in the VPI book. The answer I got was that it is actually a hypo mojave, so I'd say the scales are now tipped toward Brock being right and Cue being wrong on this subject. I don't think we have seen a caramel mojave yet.

Thanks for clearing that up I can remember her telling me that it was a hypo mojave and not the caramel mojave. I called her the same week I got my book so hey! I figured Cue works there now he can go to the source. It is a awesome looking snake nonetheless!


Brock :sabduel: