Paragon ball pythons

I just happened across one today (online not in person) and thought they were AMAZING. Has anyone ever seen one anywhere? How much does one of those go for, and what are they the result of (what mutations were bred)?

The only "paragon" ball python i've seen was on one page, and i also saw what looked to be the same snake on a different page named "Toffee ball"

If it's the toffee ball you're talking about, the site I found it on says it came out of africa and this year (2007) it has bred but the eggs have not hatched out yet.

http://www.theurbanpython.com/mainpa...ffee_ball.html

There's where I found the information. Hope that helps!

The "paragon" ball is owned by Gail Thorpe (?) and the website is http://www.renaissancereptiles.com/home/ .

Only time will tell if either of these are genetic and/or compatible lines.

The two websites are completely different snakes.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

The "paragon" ball is owned by Gail Thorpe (?) and the website is http://www.renaissancereptiles.com/home/ .

Only time will tell if either of these are genetic and/or compatible lines.

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Hadn't seen this one, I just know that the paragon/toffee ball were thought to be the same from the book Designer Morphs, they're just waiting to be proved out!

I'm excited about it. I <3 spiders, and my wife loves lessers, we both love that toffee :)

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

The two websites are completely different snakes.

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Well of course they are two different snakes. :rolleye2: But without breeding them together or any of their offspring will anyone know for sure.
Just step back and look at the different lines of axanthics. Same gene but incompatible.

Im no breeder, nor big into morphs. I only have one BP. Out of many reptiles that I wish i could have. That beautiful creature just hit the top of the list!

Absolutley Stunning!

whatever name u wanna give it, it's f*ing gorgeous!!!!:rockon:

I have heard they are having trouble getting it to breed. Also heard there was one brought in from Africa this year. I am not sure if it is for sale or not.

Darn, I didnt realize it was a new, impossible, improbable thing. I wanted it the moment I saw it. -lol- Guess thats going to have to go on the back burner...

it should be super expensive :( but at least the one of the Toffee website said they got it to breed this year :) crossing my fingers for what comes out!

even if stuff DOES come out you know they'll charge an arm and a leg for it. :(

how about a spleen and a kidney...i could go without those...

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Just step back and look at the different lines of axanthics. Same gene but incompatible.

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That's not correct. When a bp breeder crosses two recessive morphs and gets normals, then most breeders say that the two lines are incompatible. A geneticist would say that the two recessive mutations complement one another.

Different, but non-conflicting, terminology--->not a problem

However, recessive mutations that complement one another by defination are of different genes! That is they are mutations in non-matching (non-homologous) genes. The normals you get from testing whether two recessive lines are compatible are double hets for two axanthic gene loci.

Only recessive mutations that fail to complement (i.e. rescue the normal phenotype) are mutations of the same gene.

This post may help in explaining it.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...74&postcount=7

Also search for complementation on here and on the net.

Hope that helps.

Holy :cens0r: urban python paid $100,000 for the toffee...there goes all hopes of me ever getting one.

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Holy :cens0r: urban python paid $100,000 for the toffee...there goes all hopes of me ever getting one.

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I'm praying to the BP gods that he starts breeding well, and that it's a Co-dom trait! lol

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Originally Posted by Purrrfect9

I'm praying to the BP gods that he starts breeding well, and that it's a Co-dom trait! lol

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The BP gods have let you down :(

I had contacted them and they said that they have successfully bred it, but it appears to be recessive. They won't know for a couple of years...