Ball x Burm - Looks like it has been accomplished

It appears that someone in Germany may have actually produced the ball x burm hybrid that some people have been working on for some time.
Crazy looking snake.
Burm pattern, BP head, but it looks like it may be a bit deformed due to the way the back part of the body is shaped.
The pictures have been posted online but I'm not sure if it's OK to link them here since it was on another forum.
If anyone is interested, I can PM you the link.

curiosity is a terrible thing - sling me the link in a pm please.



dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

curiosity is a terrible thing - sling me the link in a pm please.



dr del

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Derek...correct me if I am wrong but I believe the TOS allows links to other sites provided it is necessary to the topic of conversation in this thread? (and not being used to solicit membership)

So can he post it here for everyone?

http://www.burmesepythonforums.com/v...060&forum_id=3

I am interested in seeing the length this thing gets to.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I am interested in seeing the length this thing gets to.

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Me too...but with that large mid-section you have to wonder how healthy this animal really is...not to mention since it was done by accident what is the likelihood we will see another. But I have my fingers crossed.

[sarcasm mode]


Thank you for waiting so patiently for confirmation it was o.k. to post the link jamesw.

[/sarcasm mode]

Yes the link is fine to be posted as far as I know I just wanted to check you didn't have to join the forum to read it or anything first.

I don't think it looks unhealthy as such but I wonder if the swelling could be caused by a burmese size yolk in a small ball pythong sized belly?

And the fact there was also an albino produced in the same clutch just sounds completely odd to me.

As a personal thing it's a pretty enough snake but I wouldn't have tried to breed one myself - but it would be a boring life if we were all the same.


dr del

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Thank you for waiting so patiently for confirmation it was o.k. to post the link jamesw.

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Didnt need confirmation.
What is your beef with me?

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Originally Posted by jamesw

Didnt need confirmation.
What is your beef with me?

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it seems your getting into a lot of scuffles..................did you ever think maybe its not everyone else? :confused:

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Originally Posted by reediculous

it seems your getting into a lot of scuffles..................did you ever think maybe its not everyone else? :confused:

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I know im blunt and truthful, but you wouldnt think the staff of this site act like children.

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Originally Posted by jamesw

I know im blunt and truthful, but you wouldnt think the staff of this site act like children.

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I don't think he was acting as a child or immature in anyway. He even made it clear that he was being sarcastic. But since you want to get into it about the rules, check #16

16. No posts or private messages may be made or sent with the express intent to antagonize or discredit the staff. Violation may result in your account being placed immediately on moderated status and/or permanent ban.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

But since you want to get into it about the rules

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Never said i wanted to get into the rules.


Like i said, i speak the truth, if its against the rules to be truthful, then i guess i broke them.

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Originally Posted by jamesw

Never said i wanted to get into the rules.


Like i said, i speak the truth, if its against the rules to be truthful, then i guess i broke them.

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If you didn't want to get into the rules, then why did you say you didn't need confirmation about linking to the other forum? The linking of other forums is in the rules and the TOS were in question prior to you linking.

I dont read rules, but i see everyone else doing it, so i knew.
Im observant also ;)

yeah come on, everyone else was doing it :rolleyes:

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I dont read rules

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well you're just a rebel now arent'cha

You know.... I joined this forum about 9 mths ago. I really really love it here. I know I really don't know any of you all that well, but I know that if I have a question or problem there are many knowlegable people here who will jump in to help me. I see the interaction between alot of you and realize how close some of you are and see through your posts how kind hearted you are.
SOOOOO....here is what I am coming to hate on this forum and it is something that seems to be happening more frequently....
I really hate all the bickering that is going on with new people and some not so new coming and making posts and then disprespecting everyone here and the rules.
If you are one of these people....why don't you take your ^%$$@#*^ talk and posts to some other forum and quit being !@$#^%*# and messing with a great thing that the people of this forum have going!
To all the "regular" members that know me... I sincerely apologize for this outburst.

What does "^%$$@#*^" and "!@$#^%*#" spell?

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Originally Posted by ZEKESMOM

You know.... I joined this forum about 9 mths ago. I really really love it here. I know I really don't know any of you all that well, but I know that if I have a question or problem there are many knowlegable people here who will jump in to help me. I see the interaction between alot of you and realize how close some of you are and see through your posts how kind hearted you are.
SOOOOO....here is what I am coming to hate on this forum and it is something that seems to be happening more frequently....
I really hate all the bickering that is going on with new people and some not so new coming and making posts and then disprespecting everyone here and the rules.
If you are one of these people....why don't you take your ^%$$@#*^ talk and posts to some other forum and quit being !@$#^%*# and messing with a great thing that the people of this forum have going!
To all the "regular" members that know me... I sincerely apologize for this outburst.

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I couldny read a couple of those words... like "^%$$@#*^" and "!@$#^%*#"

some type of new/foreign language???

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Originally Posted by jamesw

What does "^%$$@#*^" and "!@$#^%*#" spell?

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LOL guess you will have to put your own words there. :PI have enough respect not to cuss as I know there are minors that do frequent this forum

I really don't like the hybridization of such vastly different species. You end up with an animal whose lifetime requirements are unknown, and whose health prospects are unknown. A lot of this goes on in the fish hobby, and it has always bothered me. I guess I'm a purist :P

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Originally Posted by fishmommy

I really don't like the hybridization of such vastly different species. You end up with an animal whose lifetime requirements are unknown, and whose health prospects are unknown. A lot of this goes on in the fish hobby, and it has always bothered me. I guess I'm a purist :P

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Unfortunately this seems to be the fad. Look at all the strange dogs that are coming out lately. Labadoodle, Puggle, etc. We will have to watch and see if anything comes from this animal. :)

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Originally Posted by fishmommy

I really don't like the hybridization of such vastly different species. You end up with an animal whose lifetime requirements are unknown, and whose health prospects are unknown. A lot of this goes on in the fish hobby, and it has always bothered me. I guess I'm a purist :P

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100% totally agree.

I mean will it have the temperament of a ball or a burm? Hybrids are something I never really liked even in corn snakes ...

Just my two cents. .

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

100% totally agree.

I mean will it have the temperament of a ball or a burm? Hybrids are something I never really liked even in corn snakes ...

Just my two cents. .

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agreed

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Originally Posted by fishmommy

I really don't like the hybridization of such vastly different species. You end up with an animal whose lifetime requirements are unknown, and whose health prospects are unknown. A lot of this goes on in the fish hobby, and it has always bothered me. I guess I'm a purist :P

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Just to play the Devil's advocate....

When people first started keeping ANY reptile.....they all had "an animal whose lifetime requirements are unknown, and whose health prospects are unknown." so I really don't see how that can be an issue if something 'new' is kept.

If animals can be 'hybridized' then they are not that vastly different....genetically speaking ;)

On to my opinion...

One thing that bothers me is when hybrids are created instead of devoting more time to an originating species....Angolan pythons are an example. I see angolans being sold with the 'you can cross this with a ball python and create something cool' attitude. Why not just create more angolans? They are low in number in captivity, but people still feel the urge to tinker.

Other than that, I see no problem with hybrids as long as there is no possible chance that they can be released into the wild and people do not 'abuse' the ability to hybridize.

Ugly...

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

but people still feel the urge to tinker.

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It is this need to tinker that drives up sales. If Angolans didn't produce something cool when bred to balls sales wouldn't be half what they are. Lets face it this is true with ball morphs people buy the crazy and odd stuff to see what it can do when bred to ....whatever. Like YB's when they first hit the scene it was wow kinda cool, "could be something cool" we'll sell them for 250.00 then ivory's popped out and bam! prices sky rocketed. Blurry balls??? Seen them on and off last year then no one wants to talk about them..

Tinkering to further understand the genetics of a species in the terms of pet trade is all good. Introducing the years of line breeding of one species to the years of breeding to another species is totally different. There needs to be more generations of this animal before we can fully understand the out come of its existence.

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Just to play the Devil's advocate....

When people first started keeping ANY reptile.....they all had "an animal whose lifetime requirements are unknown, and whose health prospects are unknown." so I really don't see how that can be an issue if something 'new' is kept.

If animals can be 'hybridized' then they are not that vastly different....genetically speaking ;)

On to my opinion...

One thing that bothers me is when hybrids are created instead of devoting more time to an originating species....Angolan pythons are an example. I see angolans being sold with the 'you can cross this with a ball python and create something cool' attitude. Why not just create more angolans? They are low in number in captivity, but people still feel the urge to tinker.

Other than that, I see no problem with hybrids as long as there is no possible chance that they can be released into the wild and people do not 'abuse' the ability to hybridize.

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Very well said. I agree with you :yes:

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Burm pattern, BP head, but it looks like it may be a bit deformed due to the way the back part of the body is shaped.

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The back part of the body looks like that baby sucked up a huge yolk. A baby ball python with a burm size egg yolk.....if it inherits the ball python appetite, i bet it does not eat for a month and a half.....ha ha

"He cherishes 1,1 albino Burm and 1,1 Ballpython at the same cage"


:O :O

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

The back part of the body looks like that baby sucked up a huge yolk. A baby ball python with a burm size egg yolk.....if it inherits the ball python appetite, i bet it does not eat for a month and a half.....ha ha

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And shortly when it "balls up" it will be the size of a basketball...then a few years from now the size of an exercise ball LOL :partyon:

Is this anything like the Dwarf Burmese Pythons they were talking about at the Expo that weren't supposed to get bigger than 6'? I didn't get to talk to them about it or see it because they were so busy and I don't have that kind of patience... but it was an interesting concept IMO

I'll pass...

this burm forum is......well.......ya.....


"it is very funny, i bet the ball python worlds going nuts already"

"yea and all there B.S. about do you know how many ball pythons you can keep in the same space it takes to keep one burmese python goes out the window because hell now you'll be able to keep just as many burmXballs in that area it is cool looking though but i will keep my burms for now....."

I say we go to war... :D :sabduel:

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Originally Posted by gibbrishclown

Is this anything like the Dwarf Burmese Pythons they were talking about at the Expo that weren't supposed to get bigger than 6'? I didn't get to talk to them about it or see it because they were so busy and I don't have that kind of patience... but it was an interesting concept IMO

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Nope. The Dwarf burms are pure. Not sure where they got them from but my guess is its just an isolated population of burm that stay smaller. Possibly an island local actually

Oh it's on :D

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Nope. The Dwarf burms are pure. Not sure where they got them from but my guess is its just an isolated population of burm that stay smaller. Possibly an island local actually

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Thank you for clearing that up for me! I'd wished I could learn more about them, but like I said... the crowd got to me :D

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Originally Posted by gibbrishclown

Thank you for clearing that up for me! I'd wished I could learn more about them, but like I said... the crowd got to me :D

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I understand, plus, seeing them up close would have caused me to sell my car and walk home with a beautiful snake in hand!!!

I'm still curious as to how an albino popped up in that clutch.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I'm still curious as to how an albino popped up in that clutch.

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I didn't see any pics of it...

There was a picture later on in the thread....

http://www.burmesepythonforums.com/v...um_id=3&page=5

Now that I think about it...I'm not sure what this guy's trying to pull...I don't think the albino burm in there came from the same clutch...there's nothing "ball python-ish" about it...I could be wrong...

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I'm still curious as to how an albino popped up in that clutch.

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Me too, they said the burm was an albino. But they didn't say if the ball was het for albino, then I'm not sure if the 2 forms of albinism would be compatible anyway. :confused:

The albino looks even worse to me.

I edited my post above...take a look at the "albino burm x ball"...anyone else see a normal baby albino burm (not a hybrid), or is it just me?

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Just to play the Devil's advocate....

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it's always cool to play devil's advocate with me.... intelligent debate is what makes life interesting and furthers everyone's education :sunny:

like with most issues regarding living things, there's no clear black or white stands...it's all grey area. I'll always be the first to admit that :rockon:

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I edited my post above...take a look at the "albino burm x ball"...anyone else see a normal baby albino burm (not a hybrid), or is it just me?

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I see a fancy pattern albino burm

I think the albino was the result of the 2 albino burms breeding and the burm/ball was the result of one of the albino burms breeding with the BP.

Since he housed 4 snakes in one cage, who knows what bred with what.

Maybe I'm missing it, but where is the date listed on those pages saying when they were posted? All I can see are join dates for members. :confused:

So what are the chances that their first clutch of hybrids also produces a homo form of a duel species recessive gene.. Something smells fishy.

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

I see a fancy pattern albino burm

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Wise man once said, if you smell poo, there's probably a pile of it nearby.