Future Bumblebee Makers

I really like the bumblebees but since I can't afford to buy one outright, I figure I'll try and make one.

Here's the pair that I hope will make one for me.
The pastel has really held it's color nicely over the past few years.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1/DSCF0111.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1/DSCF0112.jpg

im in the same boat, plan to pick up a spider and a pastel few years down the road and breed them and make some combos and hets, I already have 2 normals. So I plan to pick up what you have and go the same route you are.

Heres my question though, which is better to have as the female and male? One person suggested the male be the spider so you can breed him to others. Any input on that?

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

im in the same boat, plan to pick up a spider and a pastel few years down the road and breed them and make some combos and hets, I already have 2 normals. So I plan to pick up what you have and go the same route you are.

Heres my question though, which is better to have as the female and male? One person suggested the male be the spider so you can breed him to others. Any input on that?

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Well heres my two cents buy what you want.... male spider and female pastel will make beeS just like a male pastel and female spider..

I personally would say male spider and female pastel from my point of view.

Simply because if you also turn around and breed the male spider to normal females you're going to get a better output there, than if you breed a male pastel to female normals. There is an upside of going with the male pastel though. Spiders I've noticed, tend to be the same price weather male or female where as pastel females cost more than males. On top of that, If you bread the male spider to normal female, you should get half pastels and half normals (theoretically) and then you could hold back a female pastel to breed back to it's mother for a super pastel, and then breed the super pastel with one of the bee's you've made so far to make a killer bee :)

Just my :2cent:

I went the cost effective route.

Female spider and male pastel.

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Originally Posted by Holbeird

I personally would say male spider and female pastel from my point of view.

On top of that, If you bread the male spider <think you pastel> to normal female, you should get half pastels and half normals (theoretically) and then you could hold back a female pastel to breed back to it's mother for a super pastel, and then breed the super pastel with one of the bee's you've made so far to make a killer bee :)

Just my :2cent:

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It all depends on what you want. You could drop a little extra cash get a male super pastel and a female spider and produce all bees your first clutch.. :D

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Originally Posted by SPJ

I went the cost effective route.

Female spider and male pastel.

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As I went the other direction pair of each. Like I said its all in what you want. LOL

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Originally Posted by Holbeird

I personally would say male spider and female pastel from my point of view.

Simply because if you also turn around and breed the male spider to normal females you're going to get a better output there, than if you breed a male pastel to female normals. There is an upside of going with the male pastel though. Spiders I've noticed, tend to be the same price weather male or female where as pastel females cost more than males. On top of that, If you bread the male spider to normal female, you should get half pastels and half normals (theoretically) and then you could hold back a female pastel to breed back to it's mother for a super pastel, and then breed the super pastel with one of the bee's you've made so far to make a killer bee :)

Just my :2cent:

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confused the hell out of me, but I like the end result lol. :8:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

It all depends on what you want. You could drop a little extra cash get a male super pastel and a female spider and produce all bees your first clutch.. :D

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I actually wanna start small and breed different combos and have fun while doing it. I dont want to just dump cash into it and bam, get all bees. I wanna work my way to them.

Sweet project! I too hope to make Bees one day! Ed's pix gave me the BEE-BUG! :sunny: Best of luck there !!!!

And actually, you wouldn't get all bees from a super pastel x spider.
Half the babies will be spiders while all will be pastels. You'll get HALF bees, and half pastels. All will be morphs. At least after looking up the info all over again to triple check, this is how it plays out to me.
Half bees is still darned good...
I went with the male spider/pair of pastels, plus an extra fem pastel. It's just how it played out, since I bought the pair of pastels first, then got the spider later. Then was offered a great deal on the other pastel.
The 1.1 pastels of mine are also pHet ghost too! Holding color nicely too.

Im gonna have to make a family tree but with different morphs so I can plan out my future buying needs and be able to plan this out so I dont mess it up. Morphing confuses the hell out of me...

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

And actually, you wouldn't get all bees from a super pastel x spider.
Half the babies will be spiders while all will be pastels. You'll get HALF bees, and half pastels. All will be morphs. At least after looking up the info all over again to triple check, this is how it plays out to me.
Half bees is still darned good...
I went with the male spider/pair of pastels, plus an extra fem pastel. It's just how it played out, since I bought the pair of pastels first, then got the spider later. Then was offered a great deal on the other pastel.
The 1.1 pastels of mine are also pHet ghost too! Holding color nicely too.

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Right you are!! Oh good luck on those pastel ghosts..

Very nice, Steve!


Beautiful stuff...

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

And actually, you wouldn't get all bees from a super pastel x spider.
Half the babies will be spiders while all will be pastels. You'll get HALF bees, and half pastels. All will be morphs. At least after looking up the info all over again to triple check, this is how it plays out to me.
Half bees is still darned good...
I went with the male spider/pair of pastels, plus an extra fem pastel. It's just how it played out, since I bought the pair of pastels first, then got the spider later. Then was offered a great deal on the other pastel.
The 1.1 pastels of mine are also pHet ghost too! Holding color nicely too.

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there a site or book that explains this in an easy to follow fashion?

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

there a site or book that explains this in an easy to follow fashion?

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It's an older book, but "The Ball Python Manual" by Philippe de Vosjoli has a section of combo's and their results. It even goes into a bit of genetics and expected genotypes/phenotypes.
If you want me to, I can make a punnit square with a combo and possible outcomes. It's not to hard to understand once you get the hang of it.

Hope you get your Bees Bud....your going the route I am hoping to ( slight problem ...need a Spider ! ) Gorgeous looking pair BTW.

sent you a pm Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect9 :P

I want to cross my spider with a yellow belly pastel cross or make yellow belly spiders and cross them with yellow belly pastels? Hmmmmm, or maybe....
Hehe. The possible crosses you can try are endless? You never know? :confused:

I will breed these bees to other double co-dom morphs and see what pops out. :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1178087263

Killerbee adults rock!



vaughn

Ed, you don't need all of those...how about sending one my way :P


Nice Bumble bee's Ed!

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I will breed these bees to other double co-dom morphs and see what pops out. :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1178087263

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those are killer bees?

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

those are killer bees?

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No. Those pictured are Bumble Bee's.

Scroll down the page in the link to see a killer bee. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ghlight=killer

killer bee is a bee and a pastel right?

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Originally Posted by SnakeEyes

killer bee is a bee and a pastel right?

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Yes. A bumble bee is a pastel x spider and a killer bee is a bumble bee x pastel.

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Originally Posted by panthercz

Yes. A bumble bee is a pastel x spider and a killer bee is a bumble bee x pastel.

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or simpler put killer bee is a super pastel spider