Bp Investment....what To Choose

I have a big decision to make as I am investing in a few morphs but like many my bank account is not bottomless

What do you guys think are good bas morphs to start with and what is important to have that may provide me with the most possibilities.

Cheapest to Most Expensive

Normal Females
Het Albino
Pastel Male
Het Axanthic
Pastel Female
Het Pied
Axanthic
Hypo
Albino
Spider
Mojave
Pied
Caramel Albino


What sexes are best would you think?

At the moment I have two normal males and two normal females. Only one female will breed this year.

This is more of a hobby to be honest but I would like to be able to breed to pay off the snakes in the end. I love BP's (and GTPS and HOGGS but thats another discussion)

Pick what you like...you'll be cleaning its poop for the span of its whole life, so you'd better like what you're looking at.

Investing in ANY of those morphs and breeding them will pay for themselves many times over. Think LONG-TERM, not just what you can do in a year or two.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Pick what you like...you'll be cleaning its poop for the span of its whole life, so you'd better like what you're looking at.

Investing in ANY of those morphs and breeding them will pay for themselves many times over. Think LONG-TERM, not just what you can do in a year or two.

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Bingo!

A bunch of normal females, and a few dominant trait males; think Pastels, Spiders; Mojave.
This is my plan at least. :) males Pastel and Spider.. eventual Supers, Bees, etc.. but I am not doing it for the money; it is a nice byproduct of keeping animals that I love.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

A bunch of normal females, and a few dominant trait males; think Pastels, Spiders; Mojave.
This is my plan at least. :) males Pastel and Spider.. eventual Supers, Bees, etc.. but I am not doing it for the money; it is a nice byproduct of keeping animals that I love.

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bingo that is what i am doing. i bought 50 cbb females. and will be buying a all co-doms this year and branch into other things next.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Pick what you like...you'll be cleaning its poop for the span of its whole life, so you'd better like what you're looking at.

Investing in ANY of those morphs and breeding them will pay for themselves many times over. Think LONG-TERM, not just what you can do in a year or two.

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x2. Recessive stuff I think will be holding their value better only because it takes longer to get them. Co-doms are good to get some money back sooner though

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

bingo that is what i am doing. i bought 50 cbb females. and will be buying a all co-doms this year and branch into other things next.

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lol; I don't have That many females.. three girls that are breeding now, one '06 who's a baby still, and another '06 that I am getting in the next few weeks. But it is a good plan!

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

bingo that is what i am doing. i bought 50 cbb females. and will be buying a all co-doms this year and branch into other things next.

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And this is case in point as to something else to think about with co-dominant mutations.

Anyone with half a brain has realized that they can mass-produce co-dominant mutations and the supply of these mutations is going to skyrocket in the next couple of years. Good news is that these morphs will be more attainable to non-investor/non-breeder types, bad news (to an investor) is that you will be selling these for non-investor/non-breeder prices.

Recessives are harder to produce and will keep their value longer, so, from an investment perspective, they are the better investment.

BUT...don't let that convince you to buy a recessive mutation you like less than a co-dominant one...work with what you like, and it'll all pay off in the end.

Hey ,

Iv had this problem too , my bit of advice to give you is..GO WITH WHAT YOU LIKE! :D

I think in every collection you need normal female's no doubt about that!..they are good for the co-dom and dominant stuff..as when a co-dom / dominant is bred with a normal you 'should' get 50% morph 50% normal..but it dont always work like that :mad:

With getting a morph , again go with what you like..spider's arnt too expensive..so say you pick up a nice male spider and you have you some normals female's..you breed the spider male to the female's..you will make some spiders and normals.. :D then you could get a pastel female ( i like lemons )..grown her up..and breed the female pastel to the spider and get some bee's :eek: .. or you could do it the other way around and get a lemon pastel male..and spider female..in the end its what you like

So if you have them two morphs ( pastel , spider )..you have the chance of pastel's..spider's..bee's..normal's..4 type of ball pythons there :D

Im starting to get into getting some morphs and to start with im going with co-dom - dominant stuff..of course i will get into recessive..but with me i love pastel's and spider's..so thats what im getting :D

Basicly..its hard to answer your question because at the end of the day it comes down to what you like and what your plans are

Hope i have been of some help :)

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I would get pastel females for my breeders and your favorite co-dom for a male. Combo morphs are the future and everything looks better with pastel (and spider) in it. Combo's will get you a better return on your money than just making the same morph. At least that's where I am going. Best of luck.

I think the double co-dom spider morphs will decline. Spider x recessive is the future :)

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I think the double co-dom spider morphs will decline. Spider x recessive is the future :)

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You'll see bumblebees hold and lesser bees and so one because you have the same chance of producing them as a Recessive morph 25%

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I think the double co-dom spider morphs will decline. Spider x recessive is the future :)

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Everything declines :(

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Everything declines :(

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Obviously, but some faster than others. As people are breeding co-dom males to multiple females, you have the chance of producing dozens of new ones every year easily. Spiders will shoot up in numbers but the demand will stay around the same.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

Obviously, but some faster than others. As people are breeding co-dom males to multiple females, you have the chance of producing dozens of new ones every year easily. Spiders will shoot up in numbers but the demand will stay around the same.

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Thats why I said pastel females, you have endless options :cool:

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Thats why I said pastel females, you have endless options :cool:

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I'm with you I'm sorry I only got two.

This has helped quite a lot but what happens if I like them all........

Albinos are really popular here so it would make sense to buy them but to tell you the truth the potential morphs dont really appeal to me.

While spiders do for example.

Has anyone ever done a chart of what you can get from different morphs

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Originally Posted by Lockes

This has helped quite a lot but what happens if I like them all........

Albinos are really popular here so it would make sense to buy them but to tell you the truth the potential morphs dont really appeal to me.

While spiders do for example.

Has anyone ever done a chart of what you can get from different morphs

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Check this out

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ven_traits.asp

One thing you might want to think about when buying normal females is not to buy average run of the mill normals. Go to shows and pick out your own, or keep an eye out for people selling 'special hand picked' females. You'll pay a little more, but better looking females make better looking babies. I think that selective breeding rather then just producing as many morphs as possible will play a much bigger role in the future of this hobby.

Mark

Well my list has stabilized somewhat.

I have

2.2 Normals at the moment

With breeding season starting in two weeks I need something that might be able to breed with my breedable female. Do you think it would be a good ifea to pay twice the normal price of a pastel male just so that I can breed this season or go with the pair I featured in this thread(http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44451). The male in that thread is great looking(nice blushing!)

I am going to purchase:

Male albino
Het albino female
Pastel Female
Pastel Male (breedable or other?)
Axanthic Female

Jan 2008:

Spider Male
het axanthic male
Mojave Female
Hypo Female or Male?

What you think? Do you think I should swap the sexes around anywhere?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

One thing you might want to think about when buying normal females is not to buy average run of the mill normals. Go to shows and pick out your own, or keep an eye out for people selling 'special hand picked' females. You'll pay a little more, but better looking females make better looking babies. I think that selective breeding rather then just producing as many morphs as possible will play a much bigger role in the future of this hobby.

Mark

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Great statement :) I agree with you; top-notch females, from a reputable source, are the way to go. Granted, you might be able to pump out nice babies from run-of-the-mill females, I like the ones that just speak to you and have little pattern quirks; Reduceds are the way to go :)

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Originally Posted by Lockes

Well my list has stabilized somewhat.
I am going to purchase:

Male albino
Het albino female
Pastel Female
Pastel Male (breedable or other?)
Axanthic Female

Jan 2008:

Spider Male
het axanthic male
Mojave Female
Hypo Female or Male?

What you think? Do you think I should swap the sexes around anywhere?

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Why do you want a het axanthic male? If you are buying him to breed with the axanthic female that is probably not the best way to go. You would be better off buying a few het axanthic females this year and buying an axanthic male in 2008.

Working with what you like is number one. Ress and double co-dom are a good choice after that.

Which is more important?

Axanthic
Hypo
Spider
Piebald

One thing I thought of: I would not invest in anythung hugely expensive until you have experience breeding lower-cost animals and are 100% sure that you can breed, incubate, and hatch out. Just a purely financial statement here; lower-priced snakes should not be treated any lesser than higher-tagged ones, but if you fail at breeding, at least it would not be as much of a financial hit to you personally.

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Originally Posted by Lockes

Which is more important?

Axanthic
Hypo
Spider
Piebald

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Important???

Get what SPEAKS TO *YOU*.

Don't let anyone tell you what you should get or whatever. If YOU don't love it then it's not going to mean much even if it cost a few thousand dollars.

Well I have bred corns a few years running but sold them to concentrate on my BP's

I bred my normals last season. However I mised the laying and I lost the eggs through maternal incubation.

My incubator is now setup

We start pairing our balls in May now in SA