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  • 04-15-2007, 08:36 PM
    exoticz
    Set up pics for new BP owner
    I got everything beside the lid and the BP

    Here's some info

    using under tank heater and a 20L tank and using accurite thermometer.

    temps are cool side 72 degress F and warm side 95-96 degress F (dont know if this matters but temp was taken at night and the outside temp was near 30-40)

    room temp is at 69-70 (that's what the house is kept at and is a two story)

    humidity is 42%

    dont kno if everything is right or not need some critizime and need to kno where to put the probe i currently have it in the substare (aspen) just lighlty covered.

    so here's the pic's

    http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...0794_13157.JPG


    http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...9/100_0796.JPG

    http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...798_920276.JPG
  • 04-16-2007, 02:58 PM
    Snakeman
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    see if u can get the cool side to the mid 80's.
  • 04-16-2007, 03:12 PM
    darkangel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Those hides are really close together, are they on the hot/cool spots? You might want to put one each on the ends, with the water dish in the middle?
  • 04-16-2007, 03:12 PM
    xdeus
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    How are you controlling the UTH? You'll definitely want to get those low temps up to the low-mid 80s.

    Sometimes it's difficult to get the temps right in a glass cage, but not impossible. You can try to insulate the cage a little better by placing cardboard or styrofoam on the sides and top of the cage. Also, you may try to heat the room a little more or place the cage in a warmer room.

    Good luck!
  • 04-16-2007, 03:30 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Im not controlling the UTH do i need a thermostat. I will switch the hides. I cant put the cage in a diffrent room but it is located by a window but i always have the shade down and it is a insulated cage which i dont think would matter. It could be that the weather somehow coming threw the window (located in michigan and hate the weather :( )
  • 04-16-2007, 03:42 PM
    darkangel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    You do need a thermostat. My UTH took a while to heat up completely but when it did it got HOT. Especially with warmer weather coming.
  • 04-16-2007, 03:56 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    A few of things.


    1. I would move your themometer down (closer to the substrate) as that is where you need to be measuring the cool side temps.
    2. You really need to get the top before you start adjusting too much. Most likely you will need to insulate the top so you can raise your humidity up some (50-60%) When you do this it will also have the affect of raising your temps up some.
    3. I agree with others seperate the hides to either side with the water dish in the middle (better temperature gradient)
    4. The warm side hide...is it like a bowl (does it have a bottom or is the bottom open to the substate)?

    Let me know on #4 as I may see another issue.
  • 04-16-2007, 04:07 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    1. I would move your themometer down (closer to the substrate) as that is where you need to be measuring the cool side temps.
    --- I will do that and message or post it in a couple of hours.

    2. You really need to get the top before you start adjusting too much. Most likely you will need to insulate the top so you can raise your humidity up some (50-60%) When you do this it will also have the affect of raising your temps up some.
    --- getting the top when the pet store has it (soon)

    3. I agree with others seperate the hides to either side with the water dish in the middle (better temperature gradient)
    ---- moved them.

    4. The warm side hide...is it like a bowl (does it have a bottom or is the bottom open to the substate)?
    ---- It is like a cave thing and is closed in with moss in it.
  • 04-16-2007, 04:13 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exoticz

    4. The warm side hide...is it like a bowl (does it have a bottom or is the bottom open to the substate)?
    ---- It is like a cave thing and is closed in with moss in it.

    So where is the actual temp probe? I assume based on the pic that it is sandwiched between the glass and bottom of the hide? If so then I would recommend you move it to the inside of the hide (use a heat glue gun to stick it down ..no tape) Reason for this is you need to know what the temps are where your snake is going to be (and you don't want that rock hide to turn into an oven .

    My other concern is that with such a low room temp the "hot side" is really only a hot hide...the air in the cage is very cold (for a ball) you need to consider a Ceramic heating element to raise the over all temp in the cage.
  • 04-16-2007, 04:16 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lord jackel
    So where is the actual temp probe? I assume based on the pic that it is sandwiched between the glass and bottom of the hide? If so then I would recommend you move it to the inside of the hide (use a heat glue gun to stick it down ..no tape) Reason for this is you need to know what the temps are where your snake is going to be (and you don't want that rock hide to turn into an oven .

    My other concern is that with such a low room temp the "hot side" is really only a hot hide...the air in the cage is very cold (for a ball) you need to consider a Ceramic heating element to raise the over all temp in the cage.

    The probe is out of the hide i just have it lightly covered with aspen on the side of the hide not touching it. And how would i do the ceramic heater ( what voltage, where to place it, keep the UTH)
  • 04-16-2007, 04:23 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exoticz
    The probe is out of the hide i just have it lightly covered with aspen on the side of the hide not touching it. And how would i do the ceramic heater ( what voltage, where to place it, keep the UTH)

    Personally I would still move the probe inside the hide assuming your snake will spend most of its time there - the temp inside is the most important.

    As for the CHE I would just get the smallest one available (I forget the wattage) you will need to buy a fixture for it as well (looks like a light dome...it will be sold right next to the CHE usually) It will sit on the top of the cage and project heat down into the cage. Yes keep the UTH just don't put the CHE directly over where teh UTH is...closer to the cool side (this will also help raise the cool side temps up)

    Don't forget a thermostat or reostat to control the UTH and CHE.

    Looking good by the way. :)
  • 04-16-2007, 04:33 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lord jackel
    Personally I would still move the probe inside the hide assuming your snake will spend most of its time there - the temp inside is the most important.

    As for the CHE I would just get the smallest one available (I forget the wattage) you will need to buy a fixture for it as well (looks like a light dome...it will be sold right next to the CHE usually) It will sit on the top of the cage and project heat down into the cage. Yes keep the UTH just don't put the CHE directly over where teh UTH is...closer to the cool side (this will also help raise the cool side temps up)

    Don't forget a thermostat or reostat to control the UTH and CHE.

    Looking good by the way. :)

    So for the ceramic heater can i put it directly over the cool side? and the thermostat can i buy one that i can plug the uth and ceramic heater in
  • 04-16-2007, 04:43 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exoticz
    So for the ceramic heater can i put it directly over the cool side? and the thermostat can i buy one that i can plug the uth and ceramic heater in

    You will need to play with its location and that is how you can adjust the temps. You can also raise it off the top if it becomes to hot in the tank (hanging above the cage like it was on a light pole - this will also help so you don't have to put it on a Thermostat). The UTH must be on a Thermostat.
  • 04-16-2007, 05:02 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    What is the diffrence between rehostat and a thermostat
  • 04-16-2007, 05:07 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exoticz
    What is the diffrence between rehostat and a thermostat

    A thermostat is electronic - you set the temp on a display and then when the unit turns the heating device on/off to maintain the temp (more expensive but more accurate)

    A reostat is just rotary switch that you turn to adjust the power to the heating device so it takes some "playing" with to get it exactly where you want it (cheaper by a lot but not as accurate)

    Just a choice based on your finances. :)
  • 04-16-2007, 05:23 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Ok thanks i just went and put the digital theremometer down to the bottom ill post a pic in a couple of min but how should i put the probe in the reading?
  • 04-16-2007, 05:24 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exoticz
    ...how should i put the probe in the reading?

    I don't understand your question? :confused:
  • 04-16-2007, 05:44 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    sorry about that i erased half of the messge :) I wanted to know how to place the probe in the hide because when i close the lid it goes on the cord and i didnt kno if these could affect the reading?
    Also here are the pics that i just took (the reading are off because i had to take the thrermometer out of the tank.

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/100_0801.JPG

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/100_0800.JPG

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/100_0799.JPG
  • 04-16-2007, 05:52 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    If it was me...I would take a small file and file down a groove where the cord comes into the hide so it doesn't get pinched.


    Also, I would remove the sticky stuff on the end of the probe...just so it doesn't accidently get stuck to your snake (then just bury the probe)
  • 04-16-2007, 05:53 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Also, I suggest you shrink your pictures down they are blowing out the sites formatting. :)
  • 04-16-2007, 07:31 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    i still have on the adhesive part to the probe so its not stickly. Now i didnt quite follow you. file a hole but where and where im i going to put it under the hide, or under the moss, or just in the hide, or not even in the hide. This is so confusing lol. I also got a 60w bulb
  • 04-16-2007, 08:00 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by exoticz
    i still have on the adhesive part to the probe so its not stickly. Now i didnt quite follow you. file a hole but where and where im i going to put it under the hide, or under the moss, or just in the hide, or not even in the hide. This is so confusing lol. I also got a 60w bulb

    LOL...in the image, you showed where the probe cable entered the hide (where the bottom and top met). It has a snall ridge that "locks" the 2 halves together. I recommend you file a small part of this ridge which will allow the cable to enter the hide but not be pinched...is this a better description?

    As for the probe...I would put it under the moss.

    I assume the bulb is to add more heat? If so it will work too.
  • 04-16-2007, 08:02 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Pics of new setup with light and probe under hide (do i need to move it or not)

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/100_0804.JPG

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/100_0803.JPG
  • 04-16-2007, 08:08 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lord jackel
    LOL...in the image, you showed where the probe cable entered the hide (where the bottom and top met). It has a snall ridge that "locks" the 2 halves together. I recommend you file a small part of this ridge which will allow the cable to enter the hide but not be pinched...is this a better description?

    As for the probe...I would put it under the moss.

    I assume the bulb is to add more heat? If so it will work too.



    I kno what you mean but the probe wont fit threw there how abt a whole in the bottom?
  • 04-16-2007, 08:23 PM
    lord jackel
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    That will work too...but you put the probe in first then put the lid on the probe end doesn't have to fit through anything. Up to you whatever is easier for you. :)
  • 04-16-2007, 08:36 PM
    exoticz
    Re: Set up pics for new BP owner
    is it ok if i put the prob under neath the hide?
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