Anyone have a super cinny?

Anyone here have a super cinny? How common is it to get them with the messed up nose? Do they all come out deformed?

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Originally Posted by Tony25

How common is it to get them with the messed up nose? Do they all come out deformed?

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What does this mean and where is it coming from?

I read in a ner interview a couple weeks back that it is known to happen having a crooked nose i think it was?

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Originally Posted by Tony25

I read in a ner interview a couple weeks back that it is known to happen having a crooked nose i think it was?

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I don't know anything about this and haven't heard it.

I have heard that super cinnies can have "tweaked heads"... I'll have to do some digging to see if I can find where I read the information....

I assume its like the caramel kinks...not all are born with it, but its one trait they are occasionally afflicted with... But that's just my pure speculation.;)

http://www.insecthobbyist.com/articl...nMcCurley.html

This is were i read it. IM just wondering what some of you guys have produced and if you had any probs. Id def be interested in producing a super cinny one day.

That's one of the bits that I found...I think there was another describing the super cinny head "deformity issues".

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I don't know anything about this and haven't heard it.

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That's what you said when I brought this up in the last Humid Hide chat a few months back :P

Then I tried to explain it to everyone, the consensus was that I was full of crap :rolleyes: LOL Then I linked some pics from different breeders which I thought showed this defect quite prominently, people argued that they were perfectly normal looking with no defects :rolleyes:

The best way i can describe it on the ones I've seen is, it looks alot like snake the has developed a lump on the end of its nose due to abcess from rubbing too much etc (which obviously they haven't at birth).. Maybe some of the experts can describe it better :confused:

Now I finally have a quotable to prove that there was this one time when I wasnt full of crap :P LOL

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Interestingly, some eight-balls are hatched with enlarged snouts or raised bumps on the tops of their noses, cosmetically an undesirable trait.
Barker & Barker, 2006

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One of the first 2 Super Black Pastels ever produced had a cleft pallet...

I don't know if any Super Cinnys have been produced with this problem...

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

That's what you said when I brought this up in the last Humid Hide chat a few months back :P

Then I tried to explain it to everyone, the consensus was that I was full of crap :rolleyes: LOL Then I linked some pics from different breeders which I thought showed this defect quite prominently, people argued that they were perfectly normal looking with no defects :rolleyes:

The best way i can describe it on the ones I've seen is, it looks alot like snake the has developed a lump on the end of its nose due to abcess from rubbing too much etc (which obviously they haven't at birth).. Maybe some of the experts can describe it better :confused:

Now I finally have a quotable to prove that there was this one time when I wasnt full of crap :P LOL

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Do you think I can remember anything that you tell me? You talk so much that its in one ear and out the other. :D

Thanks for pointing it out though!

A good number of the super cinnies/super blacks that I have seen have the tweaked noses. I haven't paid enough attention to say that they "all" have it, but I wouldn't be surprised if you looked hard enough and found "something" a little wrong with all of them.

-adam

I was told that it is best to use two different lines of cinnies when making a super cinny to aviod this problem and that it comes from inbreeding. I will be making supers next year and have a BHB and Graziani line cinny for this reason.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Do you think I can remember anything that you tell me?

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No, I wouldn't expect you to :( But Im sure if i started talking about burgers, Bar Mitzvahs and ATM you'd be all ears :rolleyes: :D

Would them having something slightly wrong with them hurt there value in any way? Is it bad enough that you would notice?

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

I was told that it is best to use two different lines of cinnies when making a super cinny to aviod this problem and that it comes from inbreeding. I will be making supers next year and have a BHB and Graziani line cinny for this reason.

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Unfortunately, I've seen it in outcrossed super cinnies as well. Although, I do believe that outcrossing is the best way to avoid any problems.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

No, I wouldn't expect you to :( But Im sure if i started talking about burgers, Bar Mitzvahs and ATM you'd be all ears :rolleyes: :D

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I do love burgers, hebrew and automatic teller machines! :rockon:

The only info I read on the subject was on RDR http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...cin_pastel.asp

the one at nerd has a funny nose.

I have a super cinnamon pastel and he is fine, However I have seen some with facial deformities but to my knowledge those have only came from black pastels. I do have both Cinnamons and Black Pastels and I did my first Black Pewter to Black Pastel female this year I hope it works out well.. I also bred a Cinnamon Pewter to several Cinnamons Females I am hoping that they all turn ok also.

Bryan

I will post pictures of animals soon..

I was under the impression that the cinny x cinny made the possible pinched noses. Just what I was told by several people in talking, since I have cinnys and want to make a super cinny.
I'm thinking of getting some black pastels to breed to the cinnys, see if that makes a non-pinched nose super form. I haven't heard directly from anyone that has done that, but again, general consensus is that they are compatible. I guess next year I might find out.
Wolfy

This one looks fine to me

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/coll...uper_cinny.htm

Awesome looking snake.

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This one looks fine to me

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/col...super_cinny.htm

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To me it does appear to have a slightly bulbous nose, but nothing too extreme. The Silver Bullet looks the same to me as well. It certainly wouldn't disuade me from trying to produce my own eventually.

Mark

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

This one looks fine to me

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/coll...uper_cinny.htm

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I've seen Greg's at his place and I didn't notice anything unusual about the nose. It is a beautiful snake!