housing ANY snakes together

i want to clarify a question that has been bothering me and members of the tarantula forum im on.

so ok...can ANY 2 snakes be housed together? like a boa with a python? a corn with a python? kingsnake with a boa? any species of colubrines("any other snake") housed together?

if they cant be housed together, then how is it that garter snakes(and any other snakes) spend winter together in groups without any problems(unless some do eat each other?)?

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Originally Posted by Snakeman

then how is it that garter snakes(and any other snakes) spend winter together in groups without any problems(unless some do eat each other?)?

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They can but you get some of them eating each other then too.

[QUOTE=Snakeman]i want to clarify a question that has been bothering me and members of the tarantula forum im on.

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2 snakes be housed together?

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NO

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like a boa with a python?

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NO

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a corn with a python?

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NO

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kingsnake with a boa?

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NO

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any species of colubrines("any other snake") housed together?

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and http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...oticons/No.gif

Snakes are solitary animals, and there is absolutely no benefit to house snakes together.

Many problems can results from housing snakes together it goes from stress, transmission of parasites, diseases....to injury, death, cannibalism, not just a myth as some will make you try to believe but documented facts.

Here are some thread that have been done on this specific subject

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ltiple+housing

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ltiple+housing

well one of the mods posted links to some links to some rather interesting articles about rattlesnake and copperheads that spend time together(probably females getting ready to lay eggs):

I give you:
The Social Lives of Snakes

Synchrony in capture dates suggests cryptic social organization in sea snakes (Emydocephalus annulatus, Hydrophiidae)

About the Copperhead: They are fairly social snakes and may "winter" in a communal den with other copperheads or other species of snakes such as timber rattlesnakes and black rat snakes.

Copperheads are social snakes.

Social lives of rattlesnakes: because the snakes bask, breed, and hibernate together, recognizing their relatives is a key advantage, especially for females

Misael, I'm not sure if you are beginning to make an argument that snakes can be housed together, and all that info above is nice; however, that information is not relevent because you can not make comparisons between the wild and captive settings in regard to the socialization of certain species of snakes.

You've been around for a while and have seen threads about this and the ill effects that communal housing has...its nice to bring it up for discussion...but what are you trying to get at?

ok i'll post the link up to where im getting at.in a way i am starting an argument that snakes SHOULDNT be housed together.but the people on the tarantula keep saying that it IS a bad idea to house DIFFERENT species together, but the same thing might not apply to housing the SAME species. so here's the link and if the mods feel its innapropriate to post links from other forums on here,please delete it if necessary and i'll send elevatethis the link by PM.


http://www.tarantulas.us/forums/showthread.php?t=4355

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Originally Posted by Snakeman

ok i'll post the link up to where im getting at.in a way i am starting an argument that snakes SHOULDNT be housed together.but the people on the tarantula keep saying that it IS a bad idea to house DIFFERENT species together, but the same thing might not apply to housing the SAME species. so here's the link and if the mods feel its innapropriate to post links from other forums on here,please delete it if necessary and i'll send elevate the link by PM.


http://www.tarantulas.us/forums/showthread.php?t=4355

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I read that and just cause you jump off a building 500 times and live doesn't make it a good idea. People dodge a bullet all the time by housing snakes of the same species together. I don't play Russian Roulette with my animals.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

You've been around for a while and have seen threads about this and the ill effects that communal housing has...its nice to bring it up for discussion...but what are you trying to get at?

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no offense Brad, but I think you're being a little touchy about this, honestly I don't think he's trying to start anything it's just a question.
but Misael, you probably know that kingsnakes got their name because they eat other snakes, and not by accident or because they were kept together and starved, but because that is why their diet is, another problem would be witht he boa and python together things such as IBD so its never good to mix species
As a general rule everyone is right, don't keep snakes together, their are snakes like garters and rattlers that hibernate together in the wild, but then again, that's the wild and it's not because they need company, it's because they have a better chance or survival. In captivity one snake one cage, except for breeding and sometimes for this you will use a large group for better odds, such as the garters in manitoba, or even candoia in captivity where multiple males are usually needed for success. To break that rule there are many antaresia keepers who swear by colonies, but this is the exception to the rule and not something everyone agrees with.

sorry for the rambling

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

no offense Brad, but I think you're being a little touchy about this, honestly I don't think he's trying to start anything it's just a question.

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None taken...I was merely asking where he was going with it. He just presented some information and didn't seem to take it anywhere after that. After that, he then directed us to where the argument was taking place. I don't think that was a "touchy" response in the least...

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

None taken...

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good, i just wasn't quite sure how you were asking the question, the worst part about forums is that it's hard to read people

If you are walking through at blistering hot desert and see a lone tree providing shade....You will sit in the shade because you need to cool down. Another person walking in the hot desert sees the shade tree, heads toward it to cool down, and sits down in the shade 10 feet from you. Because the two people sought out the same environmental condition, does that fact have any social significance at all?

Just because two of the same animals are found in the same place, it does not make them social.....all it does is make them animals with the same enviromental requirements ;)

Sure articles may provide some insight (or guesses) into the reasons animals are doing things.....but they are pretty much worthless when compared to real-life experiences...it does not matter if you are talking about captive animals or wild animals.....experience and first hand observations are everything.

I have seen all sorts of animals 'together'......and from my oberservations, it ALWAYS equates to one thing.....they are together because they share a common basic need......food/water, shelter from environmental conditions and danger, and reproduction...besides those needs...what other reason do they have to be 'social'?

Just to drive the 'No' home one more time, here is a thread about it:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...highlight=bill

It is a thread to another forum about this same subject. Hope I'm not crossing the line by posting a link to another forum's thread (mods feel free to remove it if needed). It includes graphic pictures, including one snake eating another of it's own species. You take a risk housing any snakes together.

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Originally Posted by silverdust

Just to drive the 'No' home one more time, here is a thread about it:

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...highlight=bill

It is a thread to another forum about this same subject. Hope I'm not crossing the line by posting a link to another forum's thread (mods feel free to remove it if needed). It includes graphic pictures, including one snake eating another of it's own species. You take a risk housing any snakes together.

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I guess I will post some pictures too, same species this time. 2 BP housed together documented by an article in Reptile Magazine

http://www.geocities.com/gaballpythons/Cannibalism1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/gaballpythons/Cannibalism2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/gaballpythons/Cannibalism3.jpg

Until someone posts irrefutable proof that housing snakes together is beneficial and superior to housing them alone, I will always say that they should be housed seperately. I have seen so much irrefutable proof that seperate housing is good, that this is what I believe.

ok now the site's getting personal with me....whatever....if they dont want to take my advice when i give it to them...then they can stick it.

one of the main mods even said the info you guys gave "wasnt solid" and he gets info from other people.i'd like to know who those other people are.

Tell them to use common sense.

What if one of your snakes becomes impacted? You wouldn't know until it gets bad because you cannot tell which is going and which isn't. If one snake gets sick the other one will. If one gets mites or ticks, the other one will. Snakes are cannibalistic…

There a ton of common sense reasons to NOT house multiple reptiles together.

It really boils down to people being too cheap to properly house their pets.

i tell them that,they just wont listen.the same thing happened at petco that one time.one person says something and it's right, but if i say the same thing but different,im wrong.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...snaketwins.jpg

Houseing a colubrid with any other colubrid is a BIG NO NO! These amels were being shipped, so don't think....oh, they will only be together for alittle while, no harm done right? WRONG!! Boas and pythons transfer desease EASILY, an kings and milks are snake canniblals.....'nough said!

ignorant people bother me.


all they are doing is trying to justify not spending the extra money to get two enclosures.

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Originally Posted by green_man

ignorant people bother me.

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you have no idea....

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Originally Posted by Snakeman

i tell them that,they just wont listen.

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I know it is frustrating I belong to another forum and it is sometimes hard to get a point across.

In the end you did your best providing them with valuable information, but ultimately it is THEIR animals and THEIR choice.

It is just sad that some animals will have to suffer the consequences of the lack of common sense of their owner.

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

It is just sad that some animals will have to suffer the consequences of the lack of common sense of their owner.

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AMEN to that..

I wouldn't reccommend ever housing more than one snake together, regardless of species. I've seen many corns kept together peacefully, but as said before, that's definetly dodging a bullet. IMO, it's just way too risky to do so.

No its not a good idea, I just purchased a pair of het pieds and I had them housed toghter for 12 hrs until I bought another tank. My instincts didnt like the fact they where with each other.

It was kind of cute though. The male was in a ball sleeping and here comes the girl crawling all over him smashing him into his logg..looks like he wanted to slapp her and tell her to stay still. Now there seperated and there both happy now.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I read that and just cause you jump off a building 500 times and live doesn't make it a good idea.

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:8: Ahhh!!! Thanks Ed!! I needed a good laugh! I don't know ANYbody that has done that!!! LMAO!