Hog Island- crosses or no?

Since another thread went slightly off topic and it seemed many people have their valid opinions to boast out (including me, haha) I was hoping we could get a POLITE and FRIENDLY thread going on this topic. Thanks!

I would rather see them kept pure because there is so much dishonesty in the market and although I can appreciate things like sunsets and hypo hogs, the normals cross mutts are usually just ugly

Pure All the way. Once they are all mutted out, we aren't getting any more pure hoggs

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Pure All the way. Once they are all mutted out, we aren't getting any more pure hoggs

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AGREED :rockon:

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Pure All the way. Once they are all mutted out, we aren't getting any more pure hoggs

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I agree, but as Jimmi said it has to be from people that are trustworthy. That is why I have done research after research on the hoggs. I found them all over kingsnake.. but, when I spoke to them, they all could "promiss" me that they are pure until I asked for lineage and old breeders and they had no idea... So, i didnt buy them.... and then this popped up.. like the heavens opened up!!!

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=45444 :carrot:


... now I know those are pure for sure and I got ground level stock that is not washed out. Why, they came from one of the best.. thanks again Kara. :rockon:

I will never cross anything with the females, but the male I will breed to a hypo for sure..

I think the key to this is, to do what is right by you. I cant hold everyone's hand and make sure they are doing the right thing, and we all know others are going to do it.... just look at KS.

But, I know I can make sure I AM doing the right thing.. and that is how I will build a great reputation. Great stock, that the lineage is trackable, and honesty.. you can cross all day long with those two ingredients.

(thanks guys for having a clean discussion.. it is nice to get great responses without name calling and mud slinging.. I really do enjoy reading what others think and feel)

good post sevo, sounds like you thought out your breeding plans very thoroughly and you bought beautiful animals. i must say even though i said keep them pure, i was just thinking about it and wondering what a true hog super sonoran cross would look like, since the super sonorans look just like bad a** hogs on steroids. anyway, i still like 'em pure

I couldn't imagine what a sunset X to my suri hypo would make. I wouldn't intentially mess up the clean hoggs though

Nice pick up Sevo! I have a male from that stock (and have seen one of the females in person) and they are smokin! I would have jumped on that deal if I had the cash laying around. Good luck with the project!

Keep em pure!!

What's the difference between 1 and 4 in the poll?

i have nothing against crossing hogs... nothing at all... except when they are sold as pure and you end up with a cross (like what happened to me). i wanted a pure... asked for a pure... paid the price for a pure... and in the end... got a cross. :(

*i did get a refund of some of my money*

IMO it was kinda like buying a het, paying for a het and finding out in the end you just have a normal ball...

i did vote for crossing... if the seller is honest about the lineage. cause there are some pretty crosses out there :)

oh and i forgot to add... since there are pure hogs in the wild... we know the lineage will have more pure stock. back when i believed there was no pure hogs left in the wild, i felt differently about keeping them pure.

and my hog... is a 'mutt' but he's beeeeeeeeeautiful!!! :wuv:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Nice pick up Sevo! I have a male from that stock (and have seen one of the females in person) and they are smokin! I would have jumped on that deal if I had the cash laying around. Good luck with the project!

Keep em pure!!

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Jglass,
I am excited for sure. How big is your male? Do you have any pics of him. I would like to see others from this lineage for sure.

When I saw Kara post on KS i had to jump on it. Not everyday you find pure snakes that have been raised from neonates by someone with as much clout as nerd has. Its so hard to trust breeders these day's. Its crazy what happens when you start to poke around and asking them questions about their " pure" stock.

The average herper has not idea what a pure hog and probably doesnt care.. .and that is why this can continue to go on.

I hate that others are selling washed out boas for the real deal... but its the nature of the beast.

Ashley, I am sorry that happened. But, he is still a great snake for sure.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

oh and i forgot to add... since there are pure hogs in the wild... we know the lineage will have more pure stock. back when i believed there was no pure hogs left in the wild, i felt differently about keeping them pure.

and my hog... is a 'mutt' but he's beeeeeeeeeautiful!!! :wuv:

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There are very few hogg's left in the wild and the chances that they will be available to be collected again is not in the near future.
Theres a bit more info on Hoggs for those that aren't too familiar with em.
http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/boas_island.htm

http://www.herphabitats.com/reptile_...island_boa.htm

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

There are very few hogg's left in the wild and the chances that they will be available to be collected again is not in the near future.
Theres a bit more info on Hoggs for those that aren't too familiar with em.
http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/boas_island.htm

http://www.herphabitats.com/reptile_...island_boa.htm

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Actually, the Hog Island Boas on Cayos Cochinos have made an amazing recovery and are thriving again. I spoke through email with one of the researchers on the island. I will see if I can find the email.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Actually, the Hog Island Boas on Cayos Cochinos have made an amazing recovery and are thriving again. I spoke through email with one of the researchers on the island. I will see if I can find the email.

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that's awesome, but is it a large enough population to be sustainable? the biggest problem with small populations is the whole rarity unto death bit with all muddying the gene pool and destroying chances at surviving, key example.... the dodo

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Actually, the Hog Island Boas on Cayos Cochinos have made an amazing recovery and are thriving again. I spoke through email with one of the researchers on the island. I will see if I can find the email.

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I heard that too! I think it's awesome, what they are doing to repopulate the island's natural inhabitants.

I honestly believe that it is now a buyer's market out there. The buyer's tell the breeder's what they want and how they want it. There is way too many choices out there to ever have to settle with second best. If you truly wanted a pure, proven hog bloodline BCI, you shouldn't have to settle for anything less. Those that do want those amazing sunsets, and sunset crosses also don't have to look far anymore and will get them. I stand by crossing being perfectly fine as long as it is ALL documented and proven with 100% accuracy. I, myself, am still tossing the idea up and around before I ever cross anything. I would be a hypocrit if I said I wasn't behind it, because I own three crosses now. I didn't produce them, but even worse than that (depending on the side you've chosen) I bought them. I own a 1/8 Suri, 1/4 Mex, and 5/8 Colombian Albino female, het albino female, and het albino male. They are probably the prettiest snakes I own. The Het male looks like a Mex, has the tail of the Suriname, and carries the albino gene! It's amazing, but to breed more of them will take some deep consideration.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

that's awesome, but is it a large enough population to be sustainable? the biggest problem with small populations is the whole rarity unto death bit with all muddying the gene pool and destroying chances at surviving, key example.... the dodo

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As far as I am aware, there is still not exporting going on.

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

I heard that too! I think it's awesome, what they are doing to repopulate the island's natural inhabitants.

I honestly believe that it is now a buyer's market out there. The buyer's tell the breeder's what they want and how they want it. There is way too many choices out there to ever have to settle with second best. If you truly wanted a pure, proven hog bloodline BCI, you shouldn't have to settle for anything less. Those that do want those amazing sunsets, and sunset crosses also don't have to look far anymore and will get them. I stand by crossing being perfectly fine as long as it is ALL documented and proven with 100% accuracy. I, myself, am still tossing the idea up and around before I ever cross anything. I would be a hypocrit if I said I wasn't behind it, because I own three crosses now. I didn't produce them, but even worse than that (depending on the side you've chosen) I bought them. I own a 1/8 Suri, 1/4 Mex, and 5/8 Colombian Albino female, het albino female, and het albino male. They are probably the prettiest snakes I own. The Het male looks like a Mex, has the tail of the Suriname, and carries the albino gene! It's amazing, but to breed more of them will take some deep consideration.

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Awesome post Jimi! I happen to love the pure Hogs and don't like most of the Hog crosses I have seen, I suppor the right of those that want to cross it to do it. I agree that honesty and accuracy is key. Best of luck with your future projects!

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Originally Posted by xdeus

What's the difference between 1 and 4 in the poll?

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I really don't know...haha. One is probably a slightly less aggressive stance on the issue than four is about all I can think of now, who knows what I was thinking at the time I made the poll?

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