Sulfur and Pastel Sulfur Comparison Photos

I was taking some new photos for an update we're working on for the website and wanted to share these photos since there has recently been some discussion of the Sulfur and Pastel Sulfur Ball Pythons.

The Sulfur is a subtle morph which can make it even more difficult to convey in photos. It is fairly obvious when seen in person, especially when you look at them next to a normal. I tried to capture a little bit of that in these photos.

These first couple of pictures are of one of our Pastel Sulfurs...

http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07pastelsulfur1.jpg

http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07pastelsulfur2.jpg

This is a photo of the Pastel Sulfur next to one of our holdback female regular Pastel Ball Pythons.
http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07pastelsulfur3.jpg

This is a photo of a Sulfur by itself...
http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07sulfur1.jpg

Lastly, here are a couple of photos of the Sulfur next to a normal Ball Python...
http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07sulfur2.jpg

http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07sulfur3.jpg

Thanks for looking,
Celia

Beautiful!!!


I was unaware of these. It looks to be similar to a fire, vanilla, hypo co-dom.....
What does the belly look like? Does it shed clear?

Thank you Celia - the Sulpher Pastel is HOT!

What makes a sulpher a sulpher (IE, we know how to tell yellow bellies, how do you tell a sulpher, belly pattern, etc)?

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Originally Posted by wetceal

This is a photo of the Pastel Sulfur next to one of our holdback female regular Pastel Ball Pythons.
http://exoticsbynature.com/ksf/4-1-07pastelsulfur3.jpg

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Woah...the one on the left has the same neat (I call it a "vampire bite") marking on its back that my boy has :) It's my favorite marking on my little one, so it makes me automatically love yours, too :D

Thanks Celia thats a little hottie.

Looks like a great trait to clean up other morphs. Sulfur x sulfur = ?

Sulfurs are being proven out this year to determine the super form.

David Reid found the Sulfurs, and he can tell you more about the traits of a Sulfur.

I have seen the animals in person, and it is very subtle.

He is also working on the Ember and the Tangerine as well.

Tangerine .......... that sounds hotttttt.

Great pixs. I can read all day, but "a photo speaks 1,000 words." So, Sulfur is almost like a different form of Pastel... sort of? As in, it's a lighter snake, that compliments other morphs well...?

Beautiful pics as always Celia.

same Celia from EbN?

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same Celia from EbN?

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Yup! Nice snakelettes, Celia! :)

Dave Reid sent me pics of his Sulphurs and they appear low in browns and blacks with the yellow showing more. He proved them to be dominant and this year he will see if they are co-dom. So when you combine them with other morphs they produce less of the darker colors but I don't think they shed clear like a ghost but a ghost sulphur would probably be real clean!

Wow they really make the pastels look hot, can't wait to see the super the sulphers look ghost like to me.

whoa those are hot!! an ember BP morph? now thats something i'd like to see:D

The Sulfur has been bred into the Mojave too, and gives the Mojave a lighter look and a maroon tint. Basically, the Sulfur does what someone said it looks like they do, and that is, they clean up and brighten up existing morphs. The thing about the Sulfur that is interesting is that as babies, most Morphs look their best, but with Sulfurs, they have the ugly duckling syndrome, and look like milk chocolate colored normals as babies, but eventually lighten up, and turn into a very pleasing toffee colored ball, looking like a toffee hypo. To give credit to everyone, Eric Sandoval was involved in the first breeding, his Mojave Het Hypo male to my unproven at the time Sulfur female, that has now proven genetic. I do not want to bore you with all the details, but if you want the story, feel free to email me @ Hoggwldreptile@aol.com. I have tons of pics too, if you want to see others, and the Sulfur Mojave, EmberBall, or Tangerine.

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

The Sulfur has been bred into the Mojave too, and gives the Mojave a lighter look and a maroon tint. Basically, the Sulfur does what someone said it looks like they do, and that is, they clean up and brighten up existing morphs. The thing about the Sulfur that is interesting is that as babies, most Morphs look their best, but with Sulfurs, they have the ugly duckling syndrome, and look like milk chocolate colored normals as babies, but eventually lighten up, and turn into a very pleasing toffee colored ball, looking like a toffee hypo. To give credit to everyone, Eric Sandoval was involved in the first breeding, his Mojave Het Hypo male to my unproven at the time Sulfur female, that has now proven genetic. I do not want to bore you with all the details, but if you want the story, feel free to email me @ Hoggwldreptile@aol.com. I have tons of pics too, if you want to see others, and the Sulfur Mojave, EmberBall, or Tangerine.

Dave

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We are here to be 'bored by all the details' ;) Feel free to elaborate if you get a chance.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

We are here to be 'bored by all the details' ;) Feel free to elaborate if you get a chance.

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Very true I want to read about it too. Be sure to post a link to the whole thing when you get it up on your website.

I can't ever get enough pics of the sulfurs...keep 'em coming!

Wow, where did the sulfurs and embers come from? Were they found (WC, CH) or did they come unexpectedly out of breeding something?

OK, you asked for it! There will be no intermission, so go take your bathroom break now, I will wait, just close the door:)

I purchased two females back in like 2000 or so, at a local reptile only store here in the San Diego area. Both snakes were in one large aquarium, with a male Hypo. The male Hypo was obviously a Ghost, probably a yellow Ghost of some sort, nice, but I had a much nicer male orange Ghost, so I was not interested in him. The two females were adults, one a bit smaller, but they were both at least 1500 grams. The story I got was that a customer of the store brought all three in. It looked to me like someone was putting togather a Hypo breeding project, because of the male Ghost and the two females, both similar looking, and both Hypo looking, but not obvious Ghosts or not obvious genetic Hypos. The female Sulfur looks like a toffee hypo with a maroon tint, the Ember female looks like a toffe hypo, no maroon tint at all. I paid normal prices for both of the females.

In 03 or 04, I bred my male Ghost to the snake I now refer to as the original Sulfur female. I used way too much water in the incubation process, and all 10, yes all 10! eggs molded. There were 10 eggs and 1 slug.

The female I now call the original EmberBall female was taken to the vet almost immediately after I got her, she just had an odd look to ab out 4 inches of her body. The Vet x-rayed her, and found she had several compressed ribs. I have no idea how she got them, but at that point, I really liked her, loved her look, so I decided to retire her to a 4x2 foot melamine cage, and just keep her comfortable, and well fed. She was an ok eater, not great, but she seemed ok in the melamine cage. Long story short, she eventually started eating like crazy, pigging out like she had never seen a rat before, and thought it would be her last. She got really large, fat, and kind of selfishly, I decided to breed her to my male Ghost in 05. What hatched looked like Ghosts, but later was told they looked like a Co Dom animal, and not a simple recessive Hypo. I think they will prove to be a Fire. Both the 1.1 Embers from 05 are Het Hypos too. I had several eggs mold from this clutch too, but the two that hatched are amazing, and flawless.

In 05, I did a breeding loan with the Sulfur female, breeding Eric Sandoval's Mojave Het Hypo male to my Sulfur female---at the time, we thought we would get Hypos, and Hypo Mojaves from this breeding. We got 2 normals and 6 Mojaves out of the 8 eggs, with 4 of the Mojave's looking ODD. The four odd Mojaves we called Mojave crosses. NO simple Sulfurs were produced in 05, just normals, Mojaves and the Mojave crosses. In 06, I bred a Pastel and Ghost to the Sulfur female, and it became obvious the Pastel got the job done, producing the first ever Pastel Sulfurs and the plain, uncrossed morph, along with a few normals. Eric actually produced the first uncrossed Sulfurs a few weeks before I did, and mine and his looked virtually identical.

In 06, I got one egg and 4 slugs from the original EmberBall, from a Pastel breeding. The egg hatched out the most amazing Pastel you have ever seen. Unfortunately, the snake was born very small, calcified yolk was found in the egg, the snake never shed, never fed on its own, and died after a life of about 4 months. I was very bummed!

Bottom line, I think the Ember is probably a Fire, I think the Sulfur is something totally new. The Sulfur acts to really lighten up existing morphs, the Sulfur Mojave is amazing, and the Sulfur Pastel looks like he is plugged into a light socket. We should have Supers this year or for sure next year. As far as if they were WC originally, I doubt it, they look too good, no scars, no marks on them, and ate. Where they originally came from I have no idea.

If someone wants to email me for pics, feel free. If someone wants to put up any pics I emailed to them, feel free.

I just want to be clear, the 05 breeding loan that was done with Eric Sandoval, Eric did the actual breeding at his facility. He introduced the animals, and incubated the eggs, and hatched them out.

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I just want to be clear, the 05 breeding loan that was done with Eric Sandoval, Eric did the actual breeding at his facility. He introduced the animals, and incubated the eggs, and hatched them out.

Dave

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Thank you for making that clear.

-adam

Dave, welcome to BP.net! :handshake Thanks for sharing your story with us! I hope you'll stick around and share lots more! ;)


It sounds to me like you've still got LOTS of interesting things to prove out with these guys...looking forward to learning and seeing more!

I hope this works, but the Sulfur has been proven out by Eric Sandoval, to be a Het Black Eyed Lucy.

The crosses so far are as follows:

Sulfur Mojave
Sulfur Pastel
Sulfur YB
Sulfur Mojave YB
Sulfur Spider
Sulfur Mojave Spider

More to come I am sure! Hopefully, the Sulfur Spider and Sulfur Mojave Spider pics load.

Dave


http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/DSC_0139.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/DSC_0154.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/DSC_0163.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/DSC_0159.jpg

Would love to see the sulphur YB pics... if you're so inclined. :)

cool thats so beautyfull

Bruce, unfortunately for you, I did not produce the Sulfur YB, and honestly, it is my least favorite of the crosses. That being said, the Sulfur Mojave YB might be my favorite cross, as it looks VERY similar to a Super Stripe. I do not have pics of either, but the triple is definately worth looking up on Google:)

Dave


http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/DSC_0175.jpg I will give you this pic though, Sulfur Mojave Spider, Sulfur Spider, and Spider....decent comparison pic.

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Would love to see the sulphur YB pics... if you're so inclined. :)

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I was curious myself and found this...its the one in the bottom right.

http://www.fororeptiles.org/foros/sh...ad.php?t=12381

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I have seen the animals in person, and it is very subtle.

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Yup, best viewed in person to really appreciate them.... they are slick, as are the Mojave sulphers! :)

Soooo... the sulphur is a fire? 'Cause that's kinda what i've been thinking this whole time.

If it crosses with a fire to make a black-eyed, wouldn't that make it a fire?

(just a way of knowing for sure)

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Originally Posted by Morphie

Soooo... the sulphur is a fire? 'Cause that's kinda what i've been thinking this whole time.

If it crosses with a fire to make a black-eyed, wouldn't that make it a fire?

(just a way of knowing for sure)

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Thanks ! that question was on my mind too .
carlo

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Originally Posted by carlo

Thanks ! that question was on my mind too .
carlo

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Mr. Sandoval answered my question in his thread on the sulphur :)

(and you're welcome :P)