Axanthic bp pictures..

Can you all post some pictures of the axanthics you have. i know there are different lines.. but what is the difference between the VPI, SnakeKeeper & Jolliff Line. I have heard they are all incompatable?

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Originally Posted by Sevo

Can you all post some pictures of the xanthics you have. i know there are different lines.. but what is the difference between the VPI, SnakeKeeper & Jolliff Line. I have heard they are all incompatable?

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Do you mean xanthics or axanthics?

Since you mention those three lines, I figure you are talking axanthics. An xanthic ball python would be a caramel albino.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Do you mean xanthics or axanthics?

Since you mention those three lines, I figure you are talking axanthics. An xanthic ball python would be a caramel albino.

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Damn sorry i didnt proof read it i meant Axanthic.. sorry for the error.. will a mod please correct that

thank you

There are two more lines that I have heard of as well. The D&M line and the NERD line. To the best of my knowledge, Kevin and Kara(NERD) have not bred there line to any of the others, and therefore have not proved compatibility or incompatibility. The VPI, Snakekeeper and Joliff lines have proven incompatible. I have heard, but have never seen any proof, that the D&M and Snakekeeper lines are compatible. Hope that helps, and here are some pics of my VPI line animals.
These are some of my VPI Line babies from last year.
http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/axanthicgroup.jpg
Here is the father of that baby group, breeding this year.
http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/axxhet.jpg

Tim,
thank you so much for the pictures and the post. I have a snake that I will post and I would like for you to see what you think it is.

I will get some pics today. Thanks again for your help

Here are some of my VPI Axanthics...

http://coldbloodedaddiction.com/site.../1axanthic.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...thicfemale.jpg


My Axanthic is going in to shed in this pic, but I'm excited about this breeding and posted it anyway
VPI Axanthic x Blonde Pastel
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...Pastel003l.jpg

BTW Tim those Axanthics you produced are sweet...

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Originally Posted by muddoc

There are two more lines that I have heard of as well. The D&M line and the NERD line. To the best of my knowledge, Kevin and Kara(NERD) have not bred there line to any of the others, and therefore have not proved compatibility or incompatibility. The VPI, Snakekeeper and Joliff lines have proven incompatible. I have heard, but have never seen any proof, that the D&M and Snakekeeper lines are compatible. Hope that helps, and here are some pics of my VPI line animals.
These are some of my VPI Line babies from last year.
http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/axanthicgroup.jpg
Here is the father of that baby group, breeding this year.
http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/axxhet.jpg

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Tim their great man I love vpi axanthics.:D

This may be a goofy question, but what do you mean by they are 'incompatable'? As in they won't produce the color morph, or they won't breed, or something else? And I thought that the name of the line was just who had proved that morph...

Thanks for the compliments Jon, and good luck on that Pastel Axanthic project. I hope to do that soon as well. Thanks Emilio, they are one of my favorite morphs.

Shannon, by incompatible I mean that if you breed a Joliff Axanthic to a VPI Axanthic, you will not hatch any Axanthics. Also with the Snakekeeper to Joliff or Snakekeeper to VPI. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Shannon, by incompatible I mean that if you breed a Joliff Axanthic to a VPI Axanthic, you will not hatch any Axanthics. Also with the Snakekeeper to Joliff or Snakekeeper to VPI. Hope that helps.

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Has anyone attempted to create a double-homozygous axanthic from two different lines? Do you think they would be even more silvery/black/white than the current, known lines?

Judy,
I know that some people have tried to breed Different lines of Axanthics together. This is how they proved them incompatible. However, I don't know if any of them have ever tried to breed the babies (double hets) together to see. In my mind if they did hatch a Double Homozygous animal, it would be hard to tell that is was double homozygous, without breeding that animal with each line seperately to prove it out. I hope that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Judy,
I know that some people have tried to breed Different lines of Axanthics together. This is how they proved them incompatible. However, I don't know if any of them have ever tried to breed the babies (double hets) together to see. In my mind if they did hatch a Double Homozygous animal, it would be hard to tell that is was double homozygous, without breeding that animal with each line seperately to prove it out. I hope that makes sense.

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Makes perfect sense. I hadn't thought of that aspect, but I can see it now....unless the DH produced a significant visual difference, you wouldn't really know (beyond a shadow of a doubt) if the axanthic you were looking at was Joliff, VPI, or both.

I imagine there are far more exciting things to do with axanthics than to spend much time and effort trying to prove what a DH would look like. Still...there's all those double-het babies out there..... If I had some...I'd be curious..... :P

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/axanthicgroup.jpg

Tim, your Axanthic babies are just awesome! What combos are you working on with Axanthics this year?

Alice,
I did breed my Axanthic male to a Pinstripe female. It appears that she will go this year. Also, I have a pair of DH for true ghosts that have been breeding, so maybe I can get lucky and hatch the ever elusive True Ghost. I sould be working on many more Axanthic projects next year, as I will have more morph females up to size next year.

Exciting Tim! Best of luck with those projects... Those really are great looking!


ps... the top middle said he wants to come live with me... he told me! :oops:

So what makes them incompatable? Or I guess, why won't the lines mix? Isn't it just a recessive gene that has to be passed on from both parents? So if both parents had the gene, even if they were from different lines, how does the baby not color? Sorry if this is just kind of a 'duh' question, but I don't see how it works really....

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Alice,
I did breed my Axanthic male to a Pinstripe female. It appears that she will go this year. Also, I have a pair of DH for true ghosts that have been breeding, so maybe I can get lucky and hatch the ever elusive True Ghost. I sould be working on many more Axanthic projects next year, as I will have more morph females up to size next year.

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Best of luck with that Axanthic/pinstripe combo Tim!

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Originally Posted by Laooda

ps... the top middle said he wants to come live with me... he told me! :oops:

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HAHA! That is the only picture we took of that animal. That was Monica's hold back. He was the only male we kept this year (I wasn't going to hold back any males). Monica said she might oil wrestle you for him.

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Originally Posted by tweets_4611

Isn't it just a recessive gene that has to be passed on from both parents? So if both parents had the gene, even if they were from different lines, how does the baby not color?

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It may be that the different lines have totally different recessive mutations of totally different genes, the animals they create just happen to look similar. Think of crossing stripe with albino, your get double hets because the mutant genes to create albino and stripe are at two different genes/locations. It may be that Jolliff axanthic and Snake Keeper axanthic are just as different as albino and stripe, they just happen to produce similar types of animals to our eyes. There may be multiple genes not otherwise related to each other that can bring down the production line to produce yellow pigment.

I would like to know if anyone has ever actually crossed homozygous animals from any of the lines. The indirect evidence from crosses involving hets does seem to indicate there is some incompatibility but the homozygous to homozygous cross would be the ultimate test.