I want to breed BP

I can't take importing for re-sale anymore. I'm just too tired. I'm from Bangkok, Thailand btw. The weather in here is hot all year. Winter time in Bangkok is around 27-28 celcius(mid 80 farenhite???) So I think the Ball Python should be fine breeding in here without much extra heat source lol We do have high humidity though, don't know it's a good thing or not.

Please tell me honestly that my plan is making sense or not, ok? Feel free to point out which morph I should add or deduct. Or if I project the price on each morph unrealisticly, please let me know.

For morph breeder, I plan to get 06 male with 04 or 05 female. In theory, 06 male and 05 female should be able to produce baby in 2008, am I correct?

I'm planning to get...
06 male Super Pastel ($2,000-$3,000)
06 male Bumblebee ($2,500-$3,000)
06 male Pastel (already in Thailand from Don Kaye)
06 male Pewter ($2,500-$3,500)
05 female Pewter (I already got a good deal on this)
05 female Spider (I already got a good deal on this)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
six 04/05 female common

I will take 4 morphs (Super Pastel, Bee, female Pewter, and Spider) with my next month shipment. Then I'll take female Pastel and try to find male Pewter later with the following shipments. Just wondering though, what morph do I expect if I breed Pewter with Pewter?

I'm planning to breed
06 male Super Pastel x 05 female Spider(BEE YAH!), 05 female Pewter, 04/05 female common, 04/05 female common
06 male Bumblebee x 05 female Pastel, 05 female Pastel, 04/05 female common, 04/05 female common
06 male Pewter x 05 female Pastel, 05 female Pastel, 04/05 female common, 04/05 female common
* I might breed male Pewter with female Pewter though, but I still don't know what morph can I expect from them.
And if I have some money left(hardly) I might get 1 male pied & 1 female het coz I know someone in Thailand is trying to unload his 2 low-white female pied CHEAP! It's like 2 for $5,000-$5,500 or something lol And those girls are early 2006 animals :)

I'm not daydreaming, I'm already in the middle of the deal with the 4 morph BP I mentioned. What I need now is some guidance<sp?> from you all breeders/non-breeders in the States. If you see any sign of mistake in the making, pleasex3 let me know.

Thanks in advance
T

06 male Pewter x 05 female Pastel, 05 female Pastel, 04/05 female common, 04/05 female common
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From the above, change the male Pewter to male Pastel. I might not take the male Pewter if I can't breed him next year. The one I'm interested in is like 200 gram only. Not sure he'll be ready for next year breeding, might take a pass on this deal.

This is what I want to know the most though. What's the best ratio of male/female breeding group. Is one male breed to 4 female will damage the male? I read from Markus&Jayne site that his first time breeding, he bred one male to 11 female...is that ok with the male? What's the most female one male can breed to?
thanks

thats a lot of info there. I'll try to help a little but keep in mind this is my first year breeding and I'm no expert.

05 females if feed well should be plenty ready for next season. 1 male to 5 females is a pretty good ratio that shouldn't over work the male too much but it'll keep him busy thats for sure.


by your list you seem to be focusing on co-dom/dom traits I'd mix it up a little more and add more ress traits into the plan like the female pieds you said you had your eye on. Adult female pieds are priceless IMO.

"Whats the most females one male can breed"
No clue

pewter X pewter=

normals
pastels
super pastel
cinnies
super cinnies
pastel/cinny
super pastel/cinny
super cinny/pastel
super cinny/ super pastel

I'm not sure on current market price.sorry

Just a little advise that I'm learning first hand. Things don't always workout as planned don't expect too much from your animals. Some will breed early some won't. Half of my males haven't bred for me AT ALL this year and they are plenty old and big. :cool:

this first year for me has been a blast and the fun is just starting. :)

hope this help
Larry

Please understand that the animals you are looking at getting are great. However breeder size (05) pastel females you might want to aim a little higher with your price no saying you want find them but 06 female hachlings were 600.00 for a healthy 04-05 female pastel I'd say you looking at 1500 - 3000 depending on to animal and the breeder. The rest looks right on.

Good luck it sounds like you've got a good start.

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

thats a lot of info there. I'll try to help a little but keep in mind this is my first year breeding and I'm no expert.

05 females if feed well should be plenty ready for next season. 1 male to 5 females is a pretty good ratio that shouldn't over work the male too much but it'll keep him busy thats for sure.


by your list you seem to be focusing on co-dom/dom traits I'd mix it up a little more and add more ress traits into the plan like the female pieds you said you had your eye on. Adult female pieds are priceless IMO.

"Whats the most females one male can breed"
No clue

pewter X pewter=

normals
pastels
super pastel
cinnies
super cinnies <<<<<< Blackball
pastel/cinny <<<<<<< this is a pewter
super pastel/cinny
super cinny/pastel
super cinny/ super pastel
Larry

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Super pastels, Blackballs, pastels, cinnis is what you would get. Pewter to pewter would not produce normals. Like BEE X BEE wouldn't produce normals.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Super pastels, Blackballs, pastels, cinnis is what you would get. Pewter to pewter would not produce normals. Like BEE X BEE wouldn't produce normals.

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Ed, you need to go look at your punnet square again. A Pewter and a BumbleBee are, for all practical purposes, is a double het and can produce normals when bred together.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Ed, you need to go look at your punnet square again. A Pewter and a BumbleBee are, for all practical purposes, is a double het and can produce normals when bred together.

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Really???? See when I did it it can out with no normals...Man I hate that freaking thang' LOL

Thanks for keeping me straight Tim.

No problem bro. Look at a DH x DH punnet square, and plug in the bee or pewter. It will look the same.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

No problem bro. Look at a DH x DH punnet square, and plug in the bee or pewter. It will look the same.

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yea I redid it and it came out like that. Sorry I F'ed it up guys I'm trying to do 900 things at once today.. LOL

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Super pastels, Blackballs, pastels, cinnis is what you would get. Pewter to pewter would not produce normals. Like BEE X BEE wouldn't produce normals.

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You can get normals. Pewters are double visual hets for supers, so you can use this chart to see the outcome, just switch the pewters for dh albino pied.
http://www.inkednation.com/images/us...0078192926.jpg

After a trip from my bank, I rethink of what will I buy :D

my original project
06 male Super Pastel ($2,000-$3,000)
06 male Bumblebee ($2,500-$3,000)
06 male Pastel (already got him from Don Kaye)
06 male Pewter ($2,500-$3,500)
05 female Pewter (I already got a good deal on this)
05 female Spider (I already got a good deal on this)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
six 04/05 female common

My final Project(until the next trip to the bank lol )
06 male Lesser ($2,000-$2,500)
06 male Pastel (already got him here)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
05 female Pastel ($1,000)
06 female Mojave ($1,100)
six 04/05 female common
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I need some opinion on which morph I should get more among another 06 male Lesser, 06 male Amir line YB het Ivory, 06 male Pewter, 05 1,100 grams female Pewter. All opinion is welcomed :)

thanks

still a project with great potentional and room to grow

Here's picture of the male 06 Pastel that I have. He ate just once since I got him last month. He's healthy though, so I'm not worry.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/5/2/3/2/2.jpg

His head shot
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...2/headshot.jpg

This is the '05 female Pewter that I will get her with my next month shipment.
She weight 1,100 gram and come from Black Pastel x Pastel. Will she be able to breed in 2008(if she eats regularly)?https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ale_pewter.jpg

Is she passed for a Pewter Pastel? How nice is she? I mean I don't mind much since I like her, but I just would like to know you all's opinion.

Honestly I would rather get male Pewter, but they're all either expensive or too small(to be able to breed next year.)

I would not go by year for the girls; I would go by weight and girth. A fat '05 could be better-off for breeding than a thin '04. I got my one female as an '04, and she is just now ready this year to breed, and she was a good feeder and captive born and bred.