Put an end to cruel animal fighting!

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Next week, the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate are expected to vote on the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act (H.R. 137/S. 261) to crack down on illegal dogfighting, cockfighting, and hog-dog fighting. Let your Representative and Senators hear from you today about this important legislation!

Humans are the most vicious beings on earth! spare your animal the fight....if you want to see a fight, put yourself in the ring with a Hugh Grizzly Bear, and pull the hair around his belly button!..............now you'll see how it feels!


Disgusting! :mad:

I am all for the prohibition. Animal fighting is a practice that has No merit, no meaning, and is just plain cruel. There are no shades of gray.

My friend's daughter sent me this video as a comment on Myspace... it's heart breaking and it's rather graphic...

I really don't understand what brings people to believe that this sort of behavior is ok... I will say that I thought for a long time that hog dogging was like hunting wild boar... it isn't it's much more like using a hog as bait to train a pit fighter IMO...

My soul mate is a "game bred" pit bull who is just the most wonderful thing in my world... Proof has helped me break up a 2 on 1 dog fight, has protected my cats from other dogs who think it's ok to chew on them, she's socialized my foster kittens to dogs and helped me teach the new puppy how to meet kitties... She's my once in a lifetime dog~ that one you NEVER forget and nobody can ever compare to! I got her in a Burger King parking lot because the guy didn't like "a whole bunch of people knowing' where he lived... the dogs were covered in feces and wounds, they just stunk! They were wild eyed and very timid. The guy said they'd be fine bait dogs, and I took them both! The sister was placed with a friend because I lived in an apartment, and Proof and I began our journey... she was a real train wreck at first, fearful to the point of aggression with men, sick, full of parasites, bad nails... etc... she still has really bad nails (really bad- and so does the new pup who looks just like her... from unknown origins found chained to a cinder block behind an abandoned house...) but her behavior towards men has done a full 180 :)

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Update: the House passed the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act overwhelmingly, 368 to 39!

Go here to see how your Rep voted:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll188.xml

Pressure is still needed on Senators. Here's the list of Senate cosponsors of the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdque...10:SN00261:@@@P

If your senators are on it, contact them and thank them. If they aren't on it, ask them to please support the bill.

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you'd be surprised how the poeple in my area are on this.all they care about are people/animals fighting. if i ever tell them about my tarantulas/snakes, they tell me if i ever put any 2 of them together and make them fight.oh i could punch their lights out for that.also whenever there's a fight at my old high school,instead of separating the kids or something, they gather in a cirlce and watch the fight.

Although pit bulls are illegal where I am now I would love to eventually own one and the only thing stopping me is my allergies to dogs. I can't stand the thought of animal fighting and would love to hear that animal fighting is illegal world-wide but until then we can only hope for the best and do all we can.

Thanks for sharing that video. Its sad but true. :(

I really don't see the reason for the bill since most states outlaw those practices anyway....pretty much redundant at this point....the government should be focused on more important issues....like maybe the soldiers that are dying overseas?

I have grown up in Louisiana my entire life. Louisiana is also one of the only two states in the US that still allow cockfighting. I grew up in an area with a cockfighting ring right down the road. It is part of the 'culture' in this area. I also have seen a local faculity where they process chickens for food (one of my buddies worked there for sometime).

Just for those who do not know the 'mechanics' behind cockfighting and 'farmed' chickens.....let me give you the basics.

People that fight roosters in this area generally keep chickens for eggs/meat in a 'farm-ish' setting. Because cockfighting is generally related to gambling money, the keepers take very good care of the animals. The roosters get the best feed and care out of all the chickens in the yard. Since roosters will instinctually fight when placed with another rooster, no training is required (unlike most dog fights); however, I have seen roosters exercised and 'practice' fight (they put pads over the spurs so the animals are not injured). The fight rolls around. The roosters are fitted with 'artifical' spurs which are similar to little metal daggers. These are used because if they weren't, the roosters would fight for a very long time and end up just getting severly injured and suffer. With the metal spurs, the fights are not drawn out and the loosing rooster dies quickly.

In a chicken 'factory', the chickens are placed in small cages from the time they are young and fed steriod rich diets to increase their size rapidly. These cages are so small that the chicken may actually 'grow into' part of the cage by the time the 'harvest' comes around. When the caged chickens are harvested, they are placed upside down (their legs are latched into these clips) on a 'conveyor' (the chickens are so large that they really can't put up much of a fight). The conveyor carries the chickens across an electrified vat of water that kills the chickens. Then the chicken is processed to be packaged as food.

With that in mind, how is cockfighting any less humane than the processes used to raise and kill chickens for food? Besides the fighting aspects, the majority of the fighting roosters that I have seen are treated like kings.

Although I am not a supporter of fighting animals......If I was a chicken, I would sign up the cockfighting life over being 'farmed' any day of the week.

It is odd to me how some people will label one thing as 'wrong', but seem to lack concern over other things that are so similar. Chickens are killed in both processes....but the government has issues with one, not the other.....why? because they can't get their cut of the illegal gambling revenue from cockfighting but they can get policical support and taxes from chicken farmers? or is it just their general concern for the welfare of the animals?

I just can't bring myself to deny people their right to do something simply because I think it is wrong...especially when I support something so similar by buying chicken to eat.

....just another ramble. I seem to be in the mood for these today.

oh ya....and that cockfighting ring that was right down the road. Some animal rights activists burned the building down...... about 100 chickens were still inside......go figure.

Thanks to the morons who breed pit types for fighting they are illegal in far too many places now.
In the future I see the US having laws akin to Italy, Corgis are illegal in Italy (if you are a child or have ever been accused of a crime)... this rant should be elsewhere so I'll step down.

But I have to say that just because it's illegal doesn't mean it won't still happen. Sad truth.

Of course it'll continue to happen, but at least it will be illegal! It's still a misdemeanor in some states and in others its only illegal to have dogs in the fight, not to watch etc. I don't understand why LE doesn't pursue dog fighting and the like more... it's a lot easier to spot 15 game dogs on a lot than to just know there's 15 keys of powder in the house... there is often a lot of drugs guns money contraband and people with warrants and gang affiliations at these events... why on earth wouldn't they investigate?

The argument that fighting :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: is somehow equal to what the meat production places do with them holds no weight for me... they're both wrong! I do try to buy cage free/free range when I have the chance, but like many others I do go to fast food places, so you're right, I do eat tortured souls most likely... even if I stopped it it wouldn't stop the unhumane conditions!

Phreak, you'll not regret getting a pit bull when you can (make sure you've moved away or the law has changed!) My dogs mean the world to me and I to them! They're just amazing dogs!

Once they're banned or heavily restricted too much, the thugs will move on to another breed... hopefully not the cane corso, presa canario, or the other big gladiator dogs, but most likely them and a mix of them and pits, IMO

Unfortunately I'm off work for the moment and will have to get back to this fascinating subject a little later on...

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Originally Posted by gibbrishclown

Update: the House passed the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act overwhelmingly, 368 to 39!

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I just wanna know what 39 brain dead people would be against this?

I have two pit bulls. I am supporting this with all of my heart. I know how most people feel about them, but believe me, you don't truly know them if you believe that they are mean, evil dogs.
My boys are both sweet, loving, gentle, and very accepting. We recently adopted a litter of feral kittens, and the gentle, careful actions of my boys around those tiny babies was amazing. The kits were only 5 week old little balls of fluff, and the boys were complete gentlemen. They allowed the kits to do anything. Alex (the bigger pit bull) even allowed Shari ( the runt of the litter) to sharpen her claws on him before I stopped her. All he did was wimper.
Even if I hadn't already known how wonderful my boys were this would have shown me. They both take gentle care of their kitties, they wash them, they even stood behind them while they were eating so my two older cats wouldn't get their kitten food.
Please don't listen to the media hype, and support this bill.

I can't see how anyone could say that chicken-fighting is not hugely inhumane.
If you have issue with how chickens are kept in battery pens, then deal with that. But to say that they should ignore chicken-fighting to concentrate on something totally unrelated like the Iraq war is weird.
chicken-fighting is inhumane, and barbaric. Dog fighting is inhumane and barbaric. Hog-dogging is inhumane and barbaric.
Since the thread was posted about a measure fighting this, I don't see how making a polictical comment about Iraq helps.
Battery pens ARE inhumane, but so is chicken-fighting. Saying you shouldn't object to one if you aren't fighting the other is ridiculous. There are other bills and all that can be put through with regards to battery pens of poultry. Fight the inhumane treatment of animals on every level.
Just because it's "part of the culture" doesn't mean it's right or that it should be allowed. Beating your kids, or working them 20 hours a day used to be part of the culture too. So was working wagon-horses until they literally dropped dead in the street, and that was finally made illegil too.
Don't get so focused on one problem, that you see no others, and think if everyone else isn't concentrating on that one, that they are not also doing good.
I have clients that gripe about humane enforcement because "There are kids being abused". Just bc one wrong exists, doesn't mean another (perhaps lesser) wrong should be allowed to continue.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I can't see how anyone could say that chicken-fighting is not hugely inhumane.
If you have issue with how chickens are kept in battery pens, then deal with that. But to say that they should ignore chicken-fighting to concentrate on something totally unrelated like the Iraq war is weird.
chicken-fighting is inhumane, and barbaric. Dog fighting is inhumane and barbaric. Hog-dogging is inhumane and barbaric.
Since the thread was posted about a measure fighting this, I don't see how making a polictical comment about Iraq helps.
Battery pens ARE inhumane, but so is chicken-fighting. Saying you shouldn't object to one if you aren't fighting the other is ridiculous. There are other bills and all that can be put through with regards to battery pens of poultry. Fight the inhumane treatment of animals on every level.
Just because it's "part of the culture" doesn't mean it's right or that it should be allowed. Beating your kids, or working them 20 hours a day used to be part of the culture too. So was working wagon-horses until they literally dropped dead in the street, and that was finally made illegil too.
Don't get so focused on one problem, that you see no others, and think if everyone else isn't concentrating on that one, that they are not also doing good.
I have clients that gripe about humane enforcement because "There are kids being abused". Just bc one wrong exists, doesn't mean another (perhaps lesser) wrong should be allowed to continue.
Wolfy

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Agreed!!! :rockon:

daniel, just because both ways are horrible for the animal does that make either right? i fail to see your logic here, except for where you say how people are willing to make the distinction about food and entertainment and not caring about where food comes from.
I just watched that video and wanted to die, those poor creatures and how people treated them. how do you do that to an animal? i just don't understand
and wolfy, great post, thanks.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

But to say that they should ignore chicken-fighting to concentrate on something totally unrelated like the Iraq war is weird.

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How is that weird?

Like I said previously, chicken fighting is OUTLAWED in all but two states(actually I think Louisiana is the only one...the other state passed a law recently) in the country. So why does the federal government need to step in? Let the issue of cockfighting be a Louisiana government issue.....the rest of the country has already made it illegal. The federal government needs to focus on THIS COUNTRY as a whole and not a few chicken fights in Louisiana.

If we keep letting the federal government define 'inhumane' then where will it end? Some people think that the way YOU AND I keep our snakes is just as 'inhumane' as chickens being being put in pens....what should the federal government do about that?

Like I said before, I am against 'animal fighting'......I was just giving my personal observations on the topic.....

Not like it matters.....LMAO....the bill passed ;)

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

daniel, just because both ways are horrible for the animal does that make either right? i fail to see your logic here, except for where you say how people are willing to make the distinction about food and entertainment and not caring about where food comes from.

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I never said either are 'right'. I was stating that since I am not concerned where my food comes from.....I feel as if I have no right to promote the banning of a practice that is similar to one that I support financially.

I get sick of seeing people that will :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r: and moan about animal 'cruelty' but have contradictions with what they preach. Someone that will complain about chickens being mistreated for entertainment, yet will go home and eat a farmed chicken breast without a second thought. It is like a person preaching about banning dog fights, but does not care for their dog properly.
That was a point I was trying to hit....sorry for anything unclear.

I dislike the comparison of farming/slaughtering animals, vs. fighting them. I grew up in a hunting and fishing family and have many friends with small farms.., and though they are alway proud of the animals that they produce and hunted, killing and inflicting pain is neither glorified nor reveled in. In contrast, these thugs who fight animals, love to see the weaker one suffer; it is a mental illness in my opinion, akin to something that a future serial killer would exhibit.
I can definately agree though Dan, that I would never want to be an animal in today's factory farms. I am working now on only supporting smaller farms, and it is not that hard. Mark and I buy beef from our friends, whose cattle we see whenever we visit, and we know that they lead the best life possible in the situation (free access to an 80-acre pasture, barned in the bad weather.) Another friend of ours humanely farms hogs on a small scale, and i plan on buying a whole hog from them this year to freeze and use. Chicken is tougher.. not sure where we can get free-range or small-scale-farmed chicken around here; I am looking into it though. Eggs, we also get family-farm fresh, a dollar a dozen!
I despise supporting these huge factory farms, that put small, honest farm families out of business while hideously polluting our environment.. sorry if I went a little off-topic here.

Daniel, I really don't see where you are going with this. I find the animal production industry and animal fighting to be horrible in their own ways. I hate both and fully support this bill. I complain about the way animals are treated and I am making the switch over to vegetarianism, so I think I'm allowed to complain without being contradictory. I also think the country should worry about a few chicken fights in Luisiana. This country needs to fix itself first before we can truely help anyone else.

To go as far as to say it is cruel to keep our snakes, is kind of stupid. Only extreme PETA members would say that. We provide food, shelter, warmth, proper conditions, clean enviroment, ect. That is not cruel. It is the same as keeping a dog or a cat. As long as they are healthy, happy, getting vet care, not being abused or faught, that is not cruel.

Fighting dogs, chickens, ect. is cruel and any who participate in it need to be locked up, not just given a slap on the wrist and a fine. We lock people up for abusing people, but just because an animal 'has no feelings' the people who abuse them are not properly punished.

Thank goodness the bill passed. We really need to be cracking down on those who fight animals. A country can be judged on how it treats its animals.