Puppies

My girl had 7 pups today, I only wanted her to have three.
The male was a AKC black and tan miniature pinscher.

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I love new puppies!:D Good luck with your new charges. Mom looks tired.

Ooooh, I love new puppy smell!

Mom is tired, and lost alot of weight, he back bone is pronounce now.
The average weight of the puppies is 149 grams.

awww....poor mom looks beat! The pups are really cute:)...what breed is the mom?

is there a reason you bred your dog?

ADORABLE!
My friend has a min pin and he is just the funniest dog.

The mom is min pin and some kind of terrier mix.

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

is there a reason you bred your dog?

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No reason...Neighbors dog got into my yard...

Very cute pups. mom does look alittle worn out.... that happened alot growing up to our mutt. dogs would come in and take her innocents(sp?) form her. how many you plan on keepng?????

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Originally Posted by jamesw

The mom is min pin and some kind of terrier mix.



No reason...Neighbors dog got into my yard...

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Originally Posted by jamesw

No reason...Neighbors dog got into my yard...

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that is why spay/neutering is so important

I dont plan to keep any, we have enough dogs, but i'm sure one will grow on me.

seems to happen that way..we never planned on keeping any. then IT happens. we alway kept the runt. you always end up holding one for few to many seconds then BAM!

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Originally Posted by jamesw

I dont plan to keep any, we have enough dogs, but i'm sure one will grow on me.

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

that is why spay/neutering is so important

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I'd bet after 7 pups she sees it this way too :) I always thought pups were fun till I had 10 of them... pit pups... and the mother's back bone stuck out like a dinosaur, the poor thing was all boobs and bones! He head was distorted looking and honestly it was disgusting! I used to get nauseous when I'd touch her and sometimes I'd cry... No matter how much puppy chow, milk, and enervite we put in her... I still have one of the pups, and I only know of the happiness of one other... It's pretty heart breaking some of the realities, BUT the good news is that everyone wants a little dog it seems, so they shouldn't be too tough to place. *get started today, OP!* It sure makes them easier to enjoy when you know when they're leaving! You might want to consider getting some powdered puppy milk and enervite or something similar for mom, and after a couple weeks the pups will be able to lap up the milk on their own... Please do anything you can do to take the strain off mom!! Royal Canin has a great baby dog (or something similar) formula that has great nutrients and a tiny kibble so that even little guys like yours can start eating it young...

Another thing that I found to be immensely helpful were kiddie pools to keep the pups in... mine were jumping out by 4 weeks or so, but yours may be able to be contained by a kiddie pool for the majority of their stay with you.. .they're also easy to clean and easy for mom to escape from!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

oh... and make sure you either send them with people you know and trust, or tack on a small adoption fee... some people out there collect free and cheap pets for the wrong reasons... be it baiting fighting dogs, feeding to snakes (lol- it could happen), or just not thinking it through enough and not being able to care for them!

Good luck with the puppies. Its always worth it to nurture them and see them mature, whether it was planned or not.

Speaking of nurture... if you google biosensor or super dog "training" you should find some great information on early neurological stimulation and how to help mold the puppies into stronger more able to adjust adults... plus it gives you a reason to hold them all every day :)

Gotta love puppies!!!! Can't wait to see pics of them as they grow!!!

So...? How are they doing? How's mom and god parents doing? Got any new pics?

They are doing fine!

Pics suck because they wouldnt stop moving.

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Mom looks really worn out. Cute pups though, while it's still fresh in your mind I'd set up an appointment to get her spayed as soon as the pups are weaned.

They're so cute and manageable at this stage! Congrats again! Have you had any luck placing them thus far? Maybe a little sign up at the vet's office or your local pet store etc would be a good way to get them some exposure early on... just list the ready by date so they don't think they're getting htem like today... it's always nice when people have had a couple weeks to thinkabout this endeavor before they get the pup... that way you know it wasn't a spur of the moment decision :) they are just precious though! You are blessed to be around them!

This is kind of messed up...
I got a bad rep point for keeping my dog in the yard....

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There are enough homeless dogs in the world. You really shouldn't be added to it.- Jenn

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can't say i agree with that person's logic.


~mike

Eh, it's a hot topic with a lot of people. At least your neg rep had the balls to leave a name, mine never do! lol

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Originally Posted by jamesw

This is kind of messed up...
I got a bad rep point for keeping my dog in the yard....

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I too got a neg rep point after posting my dog had puppies, they weren't brave enough to leave their name back then. Don't worry about it. Enjoy your puppies!!!

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Originally Posted by SarahMB

Eh, it's a hot topic with a lot of people. At least your neg rep had the balls to leave a name, mine never do! lol

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LMAO I only give positive reps, but I didn't realize I had to add my name LOL... Oh well...

It is a hot topic... on one hand there are millions dying every year in shelters and it's hard to make sure that you're not adding to the problem if you're having puppies... on the other hand, accidents do happen sometimes and at least the OP didn't toss them into the garbage or something like some people do...

Personally, I firmly believe that all pets should be speutered as soon as they're of age (or size) and I don't believe that your average Joe should go breeding his average Joe dog for money or to show the kids the miracle of life LOL... I feel it should be left to the "professionals"...you get my drift... but I know that my beliefs are only important to me and that I didn't have these beliefs till after I helped whelp 2 litters of pit mix pups for my ex...

OP are you able to help mom out and get some weight on her? Is she on a high quality puppy food? I know its hard... boy do I remember :( She's pretty small too even when she isn't the sole source of nutrients for 7 others... I wish y'all the best!

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Originally Posted by jamesw

This is kind of messed up...
I got a bad rep point for keeping my dog in the yard....

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no you got bad rep for not speutering your dogs
which is the responsible thing to do

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

no you got bad rep for not speutering your dogs
which is the responsible thing to do

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I think your bad rep. point is a bit much. They are taking care of the pups. I also notice your opinion never has an gray areas. It's always Must be your way are no way. None of us are perfect, if you are perfect please change your name to God. All of us have made mistakes, yourself include. When I first had dogs I thought a fence was enough to keep other dogs out. That is supposed to be the purpose of a fence?? Isn't it?? We find out that i doesn't always work. But if we pay attention we learn from our mistakes.
And I will sign this Nancy.

As far as the puppies go they are very cute and I'm sure someone will love them. Good luck with your little babies. :) The mom can be spayed to prevent other accidents.

Bad rep points over puppies???? Things happen and people need to realize that ....I'm sure we have all had things happen with our animals and in our lives that we did not plan on happening...all you can do is learn from it and move on....
Good luck with those pups and getting momma spayed and rested once those most adorable puppies have gone to their great homes:D

how can there be a gray area for speutering cats and dogs?

if you don't do it you run the risk of having even more pets added to the overpopulation not to mention the risks involved for the actual pet as far as cancer and other health issues

my personal opinion is that all dogs and cats that are not show animals should have to be speutered legally.. I'm very glad to see that California is trying to pass a bill that makes it illegal to not spay/neauter.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/...ntroduced.html

I volunteer at shelters and I donate to shelters so I personally see what the affects are of overpopulation. Many animals get euthanized daily because so many people don't bother to spay/neuter their animals. It's something that can be prevented if people would be responsible about their pet ownership and have their animals spayed/neutered.

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Originally Posted by Blu Mongoose

I also notice your opinion never has an gray areas. It's always Must be your way are no way.

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when it comes to this darn right it's my way or no way

you can't half spay a dog... you can't half prevent your dog from getting pregnant or getting someone elses dog pregnant

you either spay/neuter or you don't
not doing so is irresponsible

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Originally Posted by SarahMB

Eh, it's a hot topic with a lot of people. At least your neg rep had the balls to leave a name, mine never do! lol

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mine didn't either

go figure

I admit I was a tad tempted to leave a neg rep. However you will know if I do because I sign everything neg or not.
If you're 'brave' enough to have an opinion then be brave enough to sign it.

That said,I will ask again, have an appointment to get this girl fixed after the pups are weaned yet?

I also was strongly tempted to neg rep, but I figured ignorance is correctable, vs. an intentional breeding.

I agree that it was extremely irresponsible to allow this to happen; having two intact animals in a household is asking for babies. And because these have been born, they will take away homes that could have gone to other puppies more in need of help. I'm hoping the OP will spay and neuter both parents to prevent another mistake. I too work in rescue, and it's something I'm passionate about. Every litter born is a death sentence to those animals who are already in existance; people just don't realize that enough.

At least these ones are small enough to find homes...unlike the guy I took a call from last week who wanted somewhere to dump his 6 lab puppies and both parents, after he'd only been able to sell 4 puppies and figured out he wasn't going to make any money doing it. *headdesk* Our city shelter kills a thousand animals a month, thanks to people like that.

Very true Jess. Small dogs are gone fast, sad thing is too many intentionally breed them and then ask $$$$$.
Get a large breed puppy and it will sit until it dies of old age.
However it's not just people that are to blame, if you rent 95% of rental houses and apartments have a weight limit of 30lbs or under. People just CAN'T have large dogs in many places. Not to mention the astronomical fees these places charge as 'pet deposits' (my building recently went from 300 per pet to 400!!). And last but not least the laws in many places...grr.
Sorry, stepping away from the soapbox.

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

I agree that it was extremely irresponsible to allow this to happen; having two intact animals in a household is asking for babies.

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Did you even read the thread?

James you do keep avoiding my question about getting your female spayed.

Im just wondering, with all the anti-breeding propaganda in this thread, are you guys against breeding ball pythons and reptiles too?

You don't see ball pythons getting gassed like dogs and cats.

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Originally Posted by adizziedoll

Im just wondering, with all the anti-breeding propaganda in this thread, are you guys against breeding ball pythons and reptiles too?

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there is a big difference between breeding some reptiles and dogs or cats

most reptiles (aside from burms, iggies, ect) will be taken in by herpers if offered up for adoption in a heart beat

that can't be said about cats and dogs

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Originally Posted by Entropy

You don't see ball pythons getting gassed like dogs and cats.

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nope, but im rescuing an average of 4 bps a year just in my area from certain death because of irresponsible owners. I wonder how many reptiles die an agonizing premature death of mouth rot, starvation, burns, RI ?

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

there is a big difference between breeding some reptiles and dogs or cats

most reptiles (aside from burms, iggies, ect) will be taken in by herpers if offered up for adoption in a heart beat

that can't be said about cats and dogs

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Do you have any proof that the ratio of adopted reptiles is higher than cats or dogs?
Do you know that the people, even "herpers" adopting/buying reptiles, locally or online, actually have what it takes to keep that animal from dying (as I quote myself from before) an agonizing, premature death from mouth rot, starvation, burns, RI?

And, like you were saying before about dogs, there are certain sizes and species of reptile that seem to lag behind in adoption - or never get adopted out at all - even released into the wild.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

You don't see ball pythons getting gassed like dogs and cats.

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Ayup, what she said. I'm on the fence about breeding the big snakes too, since it seems they can wind up in the same circumstances, but don't know enough about it to pass judgement.

Ball pythons are uncommon enough, and difficult enough to breed successfully, that I don't ever see them facing the kind of population crisis that dogs and cats do. And this may generate some dissention, but I would argue that snakes don't suffer the same level of abuse that dogs and cats do either...people think it's their right to own a dog or cat no matter what, whereas you have to really like snakes to get one, and people tend (I am optimistic here) to try to provide adequate care for them, however misinformed that may be.

And to the OP, yes, having reread the thread, I realize that the male belonged to your neighbor. I still hold you accountable for letting your in-heat female stay out in the yard unsupervised, and for not getting her spayed once the deed was done. Both are acts of negligence. With seven puppies on a dog that small, you are lucky she survived the pregnancy and has not come down with hypocalcemia yet.

Please monitor her vigilantly for any sign of unsteadiness or tremors, and rush her to your nearest vet immediately if you see either. This is the time when you need to really watch her, as the milk demand on her increases daily and dogs as small as she is often cannot meet it, particularly with such a large litter. You -must- have a vet who is available 24/7 during this period, since hypocalcemia is a life-threatening emergency. Find such a vet now, rather than frantically flipping through the phone book at 2am while she's having convulsions on the floor. Also have several hundred dollars to spend on her if it happens; she will need bloodwork and IV injections.

adizzie, four balls a year are a ton less then the thousands upon thousands of cats and dogs euthanized annually. I'm sorry, the numbers are just not compairable.

Sorry but I will have to say what you just said is not so true. I know the woman Holli personally who runs the MARS reptile rescue. Their adoption fee's are very reasonable but they just don't seem to get adopted. http://www.reptileinfo.com/Rescue_Listings.aspx

I can tell you that those male BP's have been in her care for well over a year. I was actually thinking of adopting one when I first got in to BP's this time last year.

The turtles have been there a while too.
As same goes for that burm.

The Nile Monitor and Green Iguana's same story, been there for a good while.

I'm so happy to see that poor Boa have that adoption pending next to him since he was listed on there to for a good year.


I've work in animal shelters before and I know what Holli does for those reptiles. Both are about the same I'd say when it comes to them ending up in those kind of situations and people not wanting or thinking about adoption. In the end both cases are sad. Only thing different with Holli.... she doesn't put them down. If they were dogs or cats at an animal shelter... doubtful they would be there for a year without being put down!

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Originally Posted by Entropy

adizzie, four balls a year are a ton less then the thousands upon thousands of cats and dogs euthanized annually. I'm sorry, the numbers are just not compairable.

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I completely agree. Any live animal has the potential to be abused, but when it comes down to the numbers, dogs and cats are far in the lead. Just look at Craigslist or Freecycle for all the "Oops, my dog/cat had all these adoooorable babies that I now need to find homes for or else I'll have to take them to the pound".

Bet this gets moved to the QR soon ;)

It probably will but I think us girls are staying very civil (I'm going out on a limb assuming you're female dizzie) though of course James is male... I assume.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Sorry Jenn but I will have to say what you just said is not so true. I know the woman Holli personally who runs the MARS reptile rescue. Their adoption fee's are very reasonable but they just don't seem to get adopted. http://www.reptileinfo.com/Rescue_Listings.aspx

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Only thing different with Holli.... she doesn't put them down. If they were dogs or cats at an animal shelter... doubtful they would be there for a year without being put down!

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Try finding responsible homes for pit bulls. :confused: I've put down whole litters, over and over again, of perfectly healthy, sweet, wonderful, loving puppies because they have pit in them and you just can't place pits or pit mixes. The people that would make good owners are scared off by the breed-bashing, and the people who want pits want them for all the wrong reasons*.

As far as shelter time, it depends on the rescue. There are many no-kill rescues that hold the animals as long as necessary, no matter what. My current foster dog has been with me for 11 months and finally goes to her forever home this weekend (hurrah!). The problem with being a no-kill rescue is that you have to be selective about what you take in, or else you wind up with dozens of pitbulls sitting around taking up cage space and not getting adopted...

*gross generalization. To all of you responsible owners of well-socialized pits, I salute you for furthering the breed image.

No, not always the case with pits. Blame the dang laws, so many places have BSL in place not to mention (as I mentioned above) anyone who rents is pretty much screwed in getting a pit.
It's incredibly sad.

Personally, I'll never get an animal from a shelter again. I will only buy from breeders from now on, too many horrible experiences with shelter animals. And shelters offer no support down the road if there is a problem with the animal.