People with MKR hets

I wanted to know if any of the hets produced and sold my morph king reptiles have been proven, I dont know how long they had been selling, but they have already split up. I'm a bit untrustworthy when it comes to hets, and i have a het caramel produced by them.
Just curious, have anyone produced morphs from thier hets?

So is this a no, they have never produced a morph?

Could be way too soon for anyone to know if hets they bought as babies will prove out. Even if they bought breedable pairs last year, they still need to have successfully bred...lay viable eggs...and then wait for the eggs to hatch.

Even if a het pair makes a clutch of all normal-looking babies...you can't be SURE that one or both parents aren't het, because the odds may simply have been against you on that first clutch.

That's the frightening thing about buying hets from an disreputable source...it can take YEARS to prove you've been scammed...and by then, it's usually far too late to do anything about it.

Wes has been breeding since the late 80's......I wouldnt be overly worried here. He is a good guy and wouldnt knowingly do any scamming. He is still here and still breeding. Most that are doing scam hets are gone within 2 years to avoid being called out on it.

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Originally Posted by Nightmare Creatures

Wes has been breeding since the late 80's......I wouldnt be overly worried here. He is a good guy and wouldnt knowingly do any scamming. He is still here and still breeding. Most that are doing scam hets are gone within 2 years to avoid being called out on it.

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I think Wes has some serious work to do to prove to people that he is a good guy that was misled by the devil.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Could be way too soon for anyone to know if hets they bought as babies will prove out. Even if they bought breedable pairs last year, they still need to have successfully bred...lay viable eggs...and then wait for the eggs to hatch.

Even if a het pair makes a clutch of all normal-looking babies...you can't be SURE that one or both parents aren't het, because the odds may simply have been against you on that first clutch.

That's the frightening thing about buying hets from an disreputable source...it can take YEARS to prove you've been scammed...and by then, it's usually far too late to do anything about it.

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Yea, i understand that, I dont know long they had been selling thier hets, so i wasnt sure if it hadnt been long enough.

Thanks for the info though.

MKR may not have been to popular with BP breeders but I doubt they had fake hets.


I would be more concerned if you had a pair of TSE hets. Now those are not worth the paperwork Chris sent with them.

Yea steve, i wanted to bail out before it turned out like the tse situation.

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Originally Posted by jamesw

Yea steve, i wanted to bail out before it turned out like the tse situation.

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Bail out? :confused:

Every one of my Caramel Hets. I got from them has proved out. Their original stock for most recessive stuff was from the biggest breeders. I doubt that if you got it directly from them you have anything to worry about.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Bail out? :confused:

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My guess is sell them while he could before most started proving they weren't real hets, if that were the case? :confused:

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Originally Posted by jamesw

Yea steve, i wanted to bail out before it turned out like the tse situation.

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If you mean what it sounds like you do than you are no better than Chris from TSE. It is pretty disgusting that you would consider selling "hets" that you thought were fake just so you could "bail out". Fortunately, I don't think you need to bail yourself out and screw over someone else. MKR might have been bad for the market and lied about the numbers they produced but I don't think they were scammers.

ummm... dee dee dee???

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MKR might have been bad for the market and lied about the numbers they produced but I don't think they were scammers.

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Well, that brings up another question. MKR bought a lot of snakes from other breeders for resale which they claimed to produce themselves. I myself bought a pastel that they had claimed was produced by them which was actually produced by another breeder. Who's to say they didn't do the same thing with the hets they were selling? In which case, who's to say that the people THEY bought from were being honest with them?

whats all this "was" and "were" stuff? according to some recent posts on faunaclassifieds BOI, these guys are still together and producing, just keeping it on the DL. and they are "supposedly" getting help from some other breeders. who knows. but cant wait to see what shakes out on that thread!

LOL.........this will go on for years to come.......LOL

Joe is already paired up with another person anyway......Wes is local to me and I have personally seen his place.....he is still breeding and going on. They split up. I have seen the breeding stock with my own eyes......He is producing HETS and visuals.....trust me. The entire thing with buying from other people was blown way out of wack by forums and people going off of what others said not by what they themselves had happen.

BTW.....all the big time breeders and dealers swap stock........so to say they are getting help from others is true for both parties. They all swap and deal back and forth with one another even if online they put up a front of they cant stand one another. I know we have some great breeders on here producing some stunning stock.....however you have to take into account that Wes and some others are producing HUNDREDS of babies with each breeding season. There breeding stock contains tons of pairs not a couple of each morph.

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Originally Posted by Nightmare Creatures

They split up. .

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Not true, Richard. Its already been confirmed that they are still working together this season. Check Fauna for confirmation from Rick Denmon who is flipping for Joe.

According to their website, they are still together right now:


http://www.morphkingreptiles.com/

Heh heh I like the fact you can't get to the currently avilable page from there by the crafty removal of the "n" in collection - is that deliberate?



dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Heh heh I like the fact you can't get to the currently avilable page from there by the crafty removal of the "n" in collection - is that deliberate?



dr del

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Ooooh, you're a smart one there!!!! I'm impressed!!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

According to their website, they are still together right now:


http://www.morphkingreptiles.com/

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Unless you go to Wes's site which states that he is on his own.

Not to mention the site only has one page.....and it clearly states they are splitting up. It takes longer then a couple of months for the attorneys to finalize it all. We are talking hundreds of snakes and tons of equipment. It doesnt happen overnight. Just because one person is selling some stock from one of them doesnt mean that Joe and Wes are still together.

However it doesnt matter anyway.......either you buy from them or you dont. I can go over and look at any of the stock Wes has available.....so I dont sweat the online battles over all this. I have seen the adults, I have seen the hatchlings.

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Originally Posted by jamesw

Yea steve, i wanted to bail out before it turned out like the tse situation.

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