Which line pastel?

well i am looking for a female pastel in the future and in all the ads i see two lines pop up, Grazini line and Nerds lemon pastel. which line has more spectacluar looking snakes?
thanks

I think it really depends on what you're looking for in a pastel. And both lines will have spectacular examples and not-so-hot examples of the pastel look. As I understand it, Graziani pastels tend to be very bright with tons of blushing....while Nerd lemons tend to be very bright with dark, contrasting black markings, not so much blushing. So, it really just depends on what YOU like.

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I think it really depends on what you're looking for in a pastel. And both lines will have spectacular examples and not-so-hot examples of the pastel look. As I understand it, Graziani pastels tend to be very bright with tons of blushing....while Nerd lemons tend to be very bright with dark, contrasting black markings, not so much blushing. So, it really just depends on what YOU like.

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thanks, i think i like the bright and the dark mix. also i want to make some good looking pewters as well as some supers

I read that NERD lemon pastels hold their color well as they age


Kim's NERD line male has TONS of blushing :sunny:

I have a NERD '06 lemon pastel....
http://i.ugtz.com/albums/Jens-Terrar...3428.sized.jpg

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Kim's NERD line male has TONS of blushing :sunny:

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Yes...I was definitely speaking in very general terms. I've seen examples of both types of traits in both lines of pastels.

Gorgeous snakie you got there! (personally, I looove pastels with lots of blushing!)

yeah, I wasn't trying to argue...I know how you meant it :)
I thought it was a useful generalization actually. I am still learning about this stuff myself!

This is a Lemon line with a touch of orange ghost. :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1174154378

No not alot of NERD Lemon pastels hold there color, they do produce great yellow snakes. but you need to pick thru all the average ones and raise up a group of them to get the best ones. I think that can be said about all the pastel lines out there. :sunny:

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I read that NERD lemon pastels hold their color well as they age


Kim's NERD line male has TONS of blushing :sunny:

I have a NERD '06 lemon pastel....
http://i.ugtz.com/albums/Jens-Terrar...3428.sized.jpg

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Heres my NERD lemon pastel, I raised up 8 males to get this guy and all the others were average at best. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...lemonmale2.JPG

This a my graziani pastel with a touch of orange ghost in him. he has retained his looks fairly well considering he is an older snake. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...t.or.ghost.JPG

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This is a Lemon line with a touch of orange ghost. :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1174154378

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Nice pastel, Ed. How old/big is he/she?

260 gram yearling female. :)

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Nice pastel, Ed. How old/big is he/she?

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Thanks for posting the pics of adults! I only always see pics of the young ones and have always wondered how they will mature.

I do understand that you are saying those adults were exceptional adults, but dare to dream :cool:

Do you have any pics of less exceptional adults that were striking babies?

This girl was an incredible lemon baby but as a 1000 + gram sub adult is the ugly duckling of all my Lemons, shes from a great bloodline and will be bred to something when the time comes. :oops: http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1174180653

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Thanks for posting the pics of adults! I only always see pics of the young ones and have always wondered how they will mature.

I do understand that you are saying those adults were exceptional adults, but dare to dream :cool:

Do you have any pics of less exceptional adults that were striking babies?

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so you're saying that that picture is of an unexceptional adult?


man I think she's still pretty smokin :)

what degraded in her appearance? Loss of yellow? Darkening? ??

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so you're saying that that picture is of an unexceptional adult?


man I think she's still pretty smokin :)

what degraded in her appearance? Loss of yellow? Darkening? ??

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I think that's the baby pic?

oh, then in that case I want to see the adult for comparison :P

I thought that picture was too pretty to be anything but top notch

The picture of my ugly duckling female was taken tonite 3/17.
This female was an incredible brite yellow baby, but just dulled out some as she grew. I have been real picky about the pastels that I raise up for breeders and the results are starting to show. I also have been breeding them into orange ghosts and thats what makes screamer pastels! :eek:

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so you're saying that that picture is of an unexceptional adult?


man I think she's still pretty smokin :)

what degraded in her appearance? Loss of yellow? Darkening? ??

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Opps, I just slipped and let out a secret recipe! :omfg:

All of the "lines" produce exceptional pastels and not so exceptional pastels ... the best thing you can do is shop the snake and not the "line" ... buy a snake that you absolutely love and you'll never regret it. ;)

If it helps, here's a pic of some of my holdback pastel girls from this year ... 3 different lines, all pretty similar looking snakes ... the only thing they really have in common is that they're HOT!!! :D

http://www.8ballpythons.com/uploads/pastels.jpg

-adam

those pastels are smoking!

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... the only thing they really have in common is that they're HOT!!! :D

-adam

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You got that right!! The other thing they all have in common is they all belong to YOU! :P Smokin' pastels, Adam!! :love:

Nice Pastels everybody...

Don't forget about Blonde Pastels...

Here are some of mine...

http://coldbloodedaddiction.com/site...nnyxblonde.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...londe07003.jpg

'06 Blonde Pastel
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...mpastel3-1.jpg

'06 Blonde Pastel
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...l5-065-med.jpg

Here's my Graziani. Held it's color very well. Took after his father who held his color very well too.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...1/DSCN0356.jpg


Just shop around and find the pastel you like the most and don't worry too much about what line it is from. All lines produce exceptional and ugly pastels and every kind in between.

My female Lemon Pastel..it is from Adam's smokin' lemon line.:P
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/6/BPOM01.jpg

And the tail end of my 8ball male VPI pastel. I need a better picture to capture his true colors.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/DSC00180.JPG

-Jason

nice :)

so clean looking!

IMO, I prefer a dark black and bright yellow, with blushing..lol. Like Neil's Blaze! Thats one hot snake!

Adam, how did you not mix them up ,lol?

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Adam, how did you not mix them up ,lol?

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I'm a pro. ;) ... microchips might help right? ;) :sweeet:

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

All of the "lines" produce exceptional pastels and not so exceptional pastels ... the best thing you can do is shop the snake and not the "line" ... buy a snake that you absolutely love and you'll never regret it. ;)

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Truer words have never been spoken. ;)

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I'm a pro. ;) ... microchips might help right? ;) :sweeet:

-adam

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Micro chips really top it off!:P i know your a Pro. I guess if you see the snakes in person they are distinguishable.

Man I love Pastels :D Here are mine


NERD line female # 1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...female1001.jpg

NERD line female # 2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...female2001.jpg

NERD Lemon line female

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nFemale018.jpg

Bell line male

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...llLineMale.jpg

Bell line female

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...LineFemale.jpg

Not my pic, but I own the snake - He will be arriving tuesday morning

VPI line male

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../mymalevpi.jpg

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Man I love Pastels :D Here are mine



Not my pic, but I own the snake - He will be arriving tuesday morning

VPI line male

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../mymalevpi.jpg

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So you bought that one on kingsnake. :)

Sure did - Less the normal female :rockon:

Here is my Bell line male pastel. He's holding his color nicely, and will hopefully produce some killer offspring when I breed him to my nice light normals. A hottie from Jamie Quick and Mighty from Andre @ regal boids. He has even more blushing than my female Graziani pastel.

http://a872.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...e71a761d27.jpg

http://a116.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...5f45a8231b.jpg

This is the VPI line male pastel - He arrived this morning...



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...VPIMale002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...VPIMale001.jpg

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This is the VPI line male pastel - He arrived this morning...



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...VPIMale002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...VPIMale001.jpg

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awsome snake!