Non visual super Spider

I know there is no super spider visually, but does anyone know if it's possible to breed 2 spiders together to produce males that have the spider gene from both parents, so that breeding him to normals would produce all spiders?

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I know there is no super spider visually, but does anyone know if it's possible to breed 2 spiders together to produce males that have the spider gene from both parents, so that breeding him to normals would produce all spiders?

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In theory spider to spider breeding would produce a homogeneous form that when breed to a normal would produce all spiders. But finding that one would take time.

No one has proved this out???? Super Spiders would be koooooo !

Laooda... a super spider would still look just like a spider.

I know.... I'm just wondering if anyone has a "super" that produced all spiders bred to a normal.... ???

Ok I was just making sure there wasn't any confusion... I don't think there has been a "proven" super yet.

Welllll..... Someone get on it! Gosh ! :rolleyes: lol

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Welllll..... Someone get on it! Gosh ! :rolleyes: lol

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You are like 3% of the way there :gj:

There is a guy in South Jersey that bebieves he has a Super Spider because that Spider bred to a normal female last year produced all Spider offspring, that male Spider is being bred to as many normal females as possible right now to see if those breeding results can be duplicated and proven to be from a Super Spider. Stay tuned! :)

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Originally Posted by Laooda

No one has proved this out???? Super Spiders would be koooooo !

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

There is a guy in South Jersey that bebieves he has a Super Spider because that Spider bred to a normal female last year produced all Spider offspring, that male Spider is being bred to as many normal females as possible right now to see if those breeding results can be duplicated and proven to be from a Super Spider. Stay tuned! :)

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Hey I heard that guy was full of %$#^... LOL :whisper: :D :D :D :D


No for real though good luck with that. Let me know how it comes out.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

There is a guy in South Jersey that bebieves he has a Super Spider because that Spider bred to a normal female last year produced all Spider offspring, that male Spider is being bred to as many normal females as possible right now to see if those breeding results can be duplicated and proven to be from a Super Spider. Stay tuned! :)

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what a fewl!:D

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

There is a guy in South Jersey that bebieves he has a Super Spider because that Spider bred to a normal female last year produced all Spider offspring, that male Spider is being bred to as many normal females as possible right now to see if those breeding results can be duplicated and proven to be from a Super Spider. Stay tuned! :)

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Hey I heard that guy was full of %$#^...

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Generally ;)

It would be interesting if this were true, but I would think that Kev and Kara would have already tried for this considering as many spiders as they have produced?

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There is a guy in South Jersey that bebieves he has a Super Spider because that Spider bred to a normal female last year produced all Spider offspring, that male Spider is being bred to as many normal females as possible right now to see if those breeding results can be duplicated and proven to be from a Super Spider. Stay tuned!

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Is he also breeding them to only virgin females to make sure he isn't getting something else from retained sperm? Does anyone know how long female ball pythons can retain sperm?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Does anyone know how long female ball pythons can retain sperm?

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Hmm... I know that in humans, sperm dies after two days or so if it doesn't fertilize an egg... I'm guessing it wouldn't last a whole lot longer for snakes either. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Hmm... I know that in humans, sperm dies after two days or so if it doesn't fertilize an egg... I'm guessing it wouldn't last a whole lot longer for snakes either. :confused:

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Snakes can retain sperm a tad longer than that. ;) Some snakes have been reported to retain sperm for up to 7 years.

Nevermind then! :8: ;)

yep, homogeneous spider would be a "super spider". takes breeding to prove and that would be really annoying but worth it if you got one. this is how all dominant morphs are i think, but i could be wrong, im a noob :confused:

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Originally Posted by Chase13

yep, homogeneous spider would be a "super spider". takes breeding to prove and that would be really annoying but worth it if you got one. this is how all dominant morphs are i think, but i could be wrong, im a noob :confused:

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makes sense to me.

~mike

No doubts about retained sperm, I produced the females 3 years ago and they have never seen a male. :)

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Is he also breeding them to only virgin females to make sure he isn't getting something else from retained sperm? Does anyone know how long female ball pythons can retain sperm?

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has anyone ever documented a virgin female bp laying fertile eggs? I know it has occured in other species of snakes and lots of lizards partake in parthenogenesis or are capable of it.
~mike

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Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior

has anyone ever documented a virgin female bp laying fertile eggs? I know it has occured in other species of snakes and lots of lizards partake in parthenogenesis or are capable of it.
~mike

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Um from what I know, snakes needs to breed to lay fertile eggs. only some frogs (learn that from Jurassic Park) and amebas (spelling?) can reproduce with produce their own offspring without contact from another one of their kind.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Is he also breeding them to only virgin females to make sure he isn't getting something else from retained sperm? Does anyone know how long female ball pythons can retain sperm?

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Retained sperm from what... a super spider? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Chase13

yep, homogeneous spider would be a "super spider". takes breeding to prove and that would be really annoying but worth it if you got one. this is how all dominant morphs are i think, but i could be wrong, im a noob :confused:

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It wouldn't be that painful proving out. If you had the means to do the initial spiderxspider breeding, all you would half to do is hold back all the males and breed them all to different virgin females. Or you could do that and also hold the females a couple of years and breed them to different virgin males. None of them have to be normals, either. You can do albino x poss. super spider and if you're lucky you'd end up with all spiders 100% het albino. Or to a super pastel. When you hatch out all bumble bees you've found your super spider. :D And if not, you still have a 50/50 split of bees and pastels, so no harm done.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Or you could do that and also hold the females a couple of years and breed them to different virgin males.

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I don't think that it would make a difference whether or not the male was a virgin...

No not at all. I don't know why I wrote that. :oops:

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

No not at all. I don't know why I wrote that. :oops:

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Probably because of all the mentionings of virgin females before it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

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Originally Posted by Stuwy

Um from what I know, snakes needs to breed to lay fertile eggs. only some frogs (learn that from Jurassic Park) and amebas (spelling?) can reproduce with produce their own offspring without contact from another one of their kind.

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there was a kamodo (sp) dragon this year that was a virgin that laid fertil eggs. all the babies were female though.

I read about that, but I didn't know they were all female. They are clones of the mother. I know that in plants that have male and females, you can use giberillic acid (GA3 - hormones) on a female plant to force it to grow male flowers, then it can pollinate itself and all the seeds produced are essentially clones of the plant and are all female. Stress can cause this to happen, too.

Here's an excellent post with threads on parthenogenesis.