WTB lesser male or female

i am in the market for a lesser!! male or female!!! please send me a pm with prices and pictures.

thanks Tony

i found one from Pro Exotics. any body deal with them?? i already checked the inquires.

great people but i bet you could find one a little more reasonable. also why get one now. if you wait three months the 07 babies will be out and will cost less

i really don't know if you will get a better deal on 07 lesser over 06 lessers if you look and email and work you can get a great deal on an 06 males lesser that is almost ready to breed. i just bought trio of 06 males a lesser, het carmal, and a het clown the last two are 100% hets and the deal i got i really don't think you could pass up. it did take a few talks to work it out but we came to a price that i feel will beat any 07 lessers alone let aone be includeing those to hets. if you want a good deal contact the breeders you know and trust first and have what i will call back room talks. then contact the breeders that you hear are good and have the same talks. you will be surprised with what you can find out there for a really good deal.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

great people but i bet you could find one a little more reasonable. also why get one now. if you wait three months the 07 babies will be out and will cost less

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Originally Posted by gncz73

i really don't know if you will get a better deal on 07 lesser over 06 lessers if you look and email and work you can get a great deal on an 06 males lesser that is almost ready to breed. i just bought trio of 06 males a lesser, het carmal, and a het clown the last two are 100% hets and the deal i got i really don't think you could pass up. it did take a few talks to work it out but we came to a price that i feel will beat any 07 lessers alone let aone be includeing those to hets. if you want a good deal contact the breeders you know and trust first and have what i will call back room talks. then contact the breeders that you hear are good and have the same talks. you will be surprised with what you can find out there for a really good deal.

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verry true. some people with 06 lessers or anyhing are trying to get rid of them before 07s hit.

would you guys go with a male or female??

male all the way. then you could breed him to 5 normal females. if you get a female you can only breed her with one male.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

verry true. some people with 06 lessers or anyhing are trying to get rid of them before 07s hit.

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If I had '06's, I wouldn't be trying to "dump" them for a lower price to make room for '07's. If anything, the '06's would be worth more, since they are that much closer to breeding weight.

Anything that I have that doesn't sell, I'll hold onto until there is an interested buyer, not try to unload them for less. I guess that's just me.

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Originally Posted by toe_knee

would you guys go with a male or female??

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what is your goal with lessers? do you want to make lessers,combos or the blue eyes? if you're going for the blue eyes, you got to have the girls. if you want to do all of the above, a pair would be a good way to go!


vaughn

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Originally Posted by rabernet

If I had '06's, I wouldn't be trying to "dump" them for a lower price to make room for '07's. If anything, the '06's would be worth more, since they are that much closer to breeding weight.

Anything that I have that doesn't sell, I'll hold onto until there is an interested buyer, not try to unload them for less. I guess that's just me.

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Robin.. you and many other breeders feel the same exact way.

well i have a female spider that will be ready for next year. so i would like to make lesserbees. i wish i could afford a pair of lessers. Also how do you guys feel about buying off of kingsnake???

thanks Tony

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Originally Posted by rabernet

If I had '06's, I wouldn't be trying to "dump" them for a lower price to make room for '07's. If anything, the '06's would be worth more, since they are that much closer to breeding weight.

Anything that I have that doesn't sell, I'll hold onto until there is an interested buyer, not try to unload them for less. I guess that's just me.

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in theroy that makes sense but when you have 06s on the shelf and 300-400 07s on the way sometimes you have to do what you have to do. when people have small #s and lots of space it is easier to keep / hold back / sit on more.

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Originally Posted by toe_knee

well i have a female spider that will be ready for next year. so i would like to make lesserbees. i wish i could afford a pair of lessers. Also how do you guys feel about buying off of kingsnake???

thanks Tony

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that is one of the only places i buy from. a few others but stil most people sell on king snake.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

that is one of the only places i buy from. a few others but stil most people sell on king snake.

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Why is that? There are just as many scammers and lowlifes on Kingsnake as anywhere else.

Tony, I would suggest buying from the good people in the industry. Adam. RDR, PKR, NERD, VPI, etc. Quite often, when you buy cheap, you get cheap. Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

in theroy that makes sense but when you have 06s on the shelf and 300-400 07s on the way sometimes you have to do what you have to do. when people have small #s and lots of space it is easier to keep / hold back / sit on more.

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And only a handful of quality breeders (BHB, NERD for example) will have that volume of '07's on the way, and most of them have the space to hold onto the '06's. It's their livilihood, I don't believe that they care to contribute to de-valuing their stock.

If someone is churning out ball pythons "puppy mill" style and selling them for less than market value just to clear space, then I can't believe that they did much selective breeding and wouldn't be someone I'd want to purchase from anyway.

Jamie and Robin you hit the nail right on the heard. Also just because a bunch of breeders will have 07 babies soon, does not mean they will be cheaper. I think most will hold their value.

just look at prices today. i have seen 06 spiders 350g going for 600 shipped. and mojaves 300g going for 500 shipped. and these are from good breeders.

As the devaluing of the market continues....

Its sad that some people relish it just so they can get a deal.

I would love to know who Matt considers a "good breeder"

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

just look at prices today. i have seen 06 spiders 350g going for 600 shipped. and mojaves 300g going for 500 shipped. and these are from good breeders.

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Which ones?

If you can get the pair, go for it...if not, go with what will help you in the future....If you want some lucys, get a female, if you want some crosses, get a male....

Last yr I was looking for a spider male and wound up with a spider female at the show instead....Of course I wound up picking up a male later on, but quality is what i'm always looking for regardless of the sex...I know I can fit them into my projects....

Look for quality ;)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i2...3/IMG_0533.jpg

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Originally Posted by rocky

If you can get the pair, go for it...if not, go with what will help you in the future....If you want some lucys, get a female, if you want some crosses, get a male....

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I say the opposite. I would personally have plenty of normal females ready and breed him to every one of them. You should have quite a few females ready to go in a few years.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I say the opposite. I would personally have plenty of normal females ready and breed him to every one of them. You should have quite a few females ready to go in a few years.

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BUT....

If you wait to produce your own females it will be a good 4-6 yrs before you see lucys...Grow the normal females up (2 yrs), breed them to the lesser male, then hold back the females and grow them up (2 yrs) then breed them back....

If you get the female, you could save up for the male in a yr and produce lucys in 2 yrs....

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Originally Posted by rocky

BUT....

If you wait to produce your own females it will be a good 4-6 yrs before you see lucys...Grow the normal females up (2 yrs), breed them to the lesser male, then hold back the females and grow them up (2 yrs) then breed them back....

If you get the female, you could save up for the male in a yr and produce lucys in 2 yrs....

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buy the normals grown already:) CBB breeding size normal females are getting more common because people are replacing them in racks with breeding size morphs

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Why is that? There are just as many scammers and lowlifes on Kingsnake as anywhere else.

Tony, I would suggest buying from the good people in the industry. Adam. RDR, PKR, NERD, VPI, etc. Quite often, when you buy cheap, you get cheap. Best of luck!

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i have tried NERD they are all sold out, adam is also all sold out, Ralph davis has not returned my call as of yet, but his lessers go for 10,000 + the lesser male i am looking at is 2500.00.. who is PKR

Yup Pete has a few left. Lovely little ones for sure! I'll have to say good bye to the little bugger if you get one of his. Ahhh yeah I won't lie... but I've grown attached to the babies. <3 'em!

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Yup Pete has a few left. Lovely little ones for sure! I'll have to say good bye to the little bugger if you get one of his. Ahhh yeah I won't lie... but I've grown attached to the babies. <3 'em!

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pete who?? does he have a number or a web site???

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Originally Posted by toe_knee

pete who?? does he have a number or a web site???

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Pete Kahl Reptiles http://www.pkreptiles.com/

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Pete Kahl Reptiles http://www.pkreptiles.com/

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thanks i just found his site.. i guess i should do a search on google before i ask LOL

i found one from RDR.. thanks for the help everyone!!! i will post pictures in the BP picture section when i get him in.

Tony

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Originally Posted by toe_knee

i found one from RDR.. thanks for the help everyone!!! i will post pictures in the BP picture section when i get him in.

Tony

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Congrats! Ralph produces some amazing animals and supports his customers by not dropping prices and undercutting the market like MANY others!

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Originally Posted by toe_knee

i found one from RDR.. thanks for the help everyone!!! i will post pictures in the BP picture section when i get him in.

Tony

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I knew Ralph would take good care of you Tony! Congrats!

Hopefully, next time you call I'll have what you're looking for available!! :P

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I knew Ralph would take good care of you Tony! Congrats!

Hopefully, next time you call I'll have what you're looking for available!! :P

-adam

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thanks adam!!! i apreciate your help. i would haven't called him other wise, the prices he had on his web site were pretty high:O he gave me a great deal on a lesser. And to think i almost settled for the cheapies on kingsnake... i will be calling you soon.. :cool:

Tony

congrats on the new snake. i have bought from ralph in the past. he has great stuff. i am glad he came down off his posted price to help you out. you will find most of the big breeders will do this to help you out. asking prices are just that asking prices. good luck with you projects.

see thats what i was talking about contact the breeder either by phone or by email and they will work with you.

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