Piebald Breeding Project

Heres a project you can see immediate results and profit from. :)

Includes;
1 male pied 1100 grams
1 female 100% het pied 2200 grams
1 female 66% het pied 1750 grams
1 female 66% het pied 1600 grams

These will be sold as a group only with no trades.
$8900.00 for the group.
These have been cycled and are breeding! :eek: http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1172903418

One of the het females. :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1172903997

awesome deal for someone!


A few pieds and you have your money back plus the chance of more 100% het females. Good luck with the sale.

I think you should totally post some belly shots... :)

Not that I have the money for this project.

that pied is amazing! :eek:
ed, you keep on poping out more and more morphs for sale, how many do you have?

Derek I have more than a couple! I Keep selling off stuff to get into the latest projects. I seem to be obsessed with making 3 and 4 co-doms into 1 snake morphs. thats why you are seeing lots of stuff for sale. those spinner blasts, silver streaks and bullets, bumble bees, king pins and some other morphs Im planning on picking up dont come cheaply and the recessive morphs that I am selling will pay the way. the smart move would be to keep these pieds but the thoughts of making money never plays into it with me. The fun part is making new stuff and the co-doms will do that! :)

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Originally Posted by djansen

that pied is amazing! :eek:
ed, you keep on poping out more and more morphs for sale, how many do you have?

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Derek I have more than a couple! I Keep selling off stuff to get into the latest projects. I seem to be obsessed with making 3 and 4 co-doms into 1 snake morphs. thats why you are seeing lots of stuff for sale. those spinner blasts, silver streaks and bullets, bumble bees, king pins and some other morphs Im planning on picking up dont come cheaply and the recessive morphs that I am selling will pay the way. the smart move would be to keep these pieds but the thoughts of making money never plays into it with me. The fun part is making new stuff and the co-doms will do that! :)

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wow, i cant wait to start doing that! :D

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

the smart move would be to keep these pieds but the thoughts of making money never plays into it with me. The fun part is making new stuff and the co-doms will do that! :)

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That's the way to do it, Ed! IMO, there are too many flippers in this hobby just wanting to make a buck. I can't wait to see what you produce this season! :rockon:

Larry, Tell me whats wrong with someone that buys or recieves a snake in trade then resells it for a profit. I have bought many ball pythons from people that dont breed at all? matter of fact....some of my best looking stuff came from someone like this.


I think that as long as you are getting a healthy snake that you like, there is nothing at all wrong with that! :)

Do you think the guy you bought your last car from actually made it? how about your sofa or TV set?

I just purchased a group of high end crested geckos, do you think that I was concerned that the person I bought them from did not produce them...NOPE!

So if I was thinking like you are....I would refer to these resells as Flippers? just dont sound right to me to act so rude! :eek:

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Originally Posted by xdeus

That's the way to do it, Ed! IMO, there are too many flippers in this hobby just wanting to make a buck. I can't wait to see what you produce this season! :rockon:

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They are flippers and there's nothing rude about referring to them as such. The last time I checked, "flipper" wasn't a derogatory term. People flip houses and other merchandise all the time... nothing wrong with that.

I know there are a lot of people that resell snakes, and personally I don't have a problem with it as long as they are up front about what they do. I just don't care for people that pose as a breeder and all the while they flip snakes to their customers without informing them of the origins of that snake. They are lying and I despise liars.

I would also never purchase a snake from a flipper unless I had direct contact with the breeder and I understood the flipper's motives. There is a lot of information that a breeder may be able to provide that a flipper is unable to answer such as lineage and other details related to that individual animal or morph. In addition, I just don't like the fact that many flippers turn Balls into a commodity with their only concern being profit and moving inventory.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Larry, Tell me whats wrong with someone that buys or recieves a snake in trade then resells it for a profit. I have bought many ball pythons from people that dont breed at all? matter of fact....some of my best looking stuff came from someone like this.

I think that as long as you are getting a healthy snake that you like, there is nothing at all wrong with that! :)

Do you think the guy you bought your last car from actually made it? how about your sofa or TV set?

I just purchased a group of high end crested geckos, do you think that I was concerned that the person I bought them from did not produce them...NOPE!

So if I was thinking like you are....I would refer to these resells as Flippers? just dont sound right to me to act so rude! :eek:

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Larry, If you have been around this hobby long enought you would know that alot of the bigger breeders that you hold in high esteem are constantly looking for snakes to resell and they do trade deals to bring in snakes they need but dont produce themselves. so dont be so fast to criticise for something you know so little about. :)

As much as I detest flippers (who mostly care more about the buck than the animals), if someone is going to do that, at least be honest. Saying you produced animals that you are flipping for someone else is pretty low.

I agree with that Jamie, if you are selling something you picked up in a trade just say so. it really does not matter much as long as its a healthy snake! :)

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Originally Posted by jglass38

As much as I detest flippers (who mostly care more about the buck than the animals), if someone is going to do that, at least be honest. Saying you produced animals that you are flipping for someone else is pretty low.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Larry, If you have been around this hobby long enought you would know that alot of the bigger breeders that you hold in high esteem are constantly looking for snakes to resell and they do trade deals to bring in snakes they need but dont produce themselves. so dont be so fast to criticise for something you know so little about. :)

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Now who's being rude? :colbert:

I'm not sure which breeders you think I hold in high esteem, but perhaps you can shed some light on which ones are flipping snakes? I just find it hard to believe that many big breeders are looking for other snakes that they can flip instead of selling their own. The only "big" breeder I'm aware that did that was MKR, and I wouldn't consider them anywhere close to being a big breeder.

So besides MKR, are you saying VPI, NERD, RDR, or BHB flip snakes? Remarkable.

As far as trade deals, I'm not sure what that has to do with flipping snakes. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with trading or even selling a snake they didn't produce as long as they were clear on its origin.

Larry not trying to be rude to you, just want you to have a better understanding of whats going on behind the scenes and the word flipper is derogatory and demeaning to alot of people. the big breeder list you presented...I have did trade deals with 2 on your list. I had something they wanted and they had something I wanted. dont see any problems with that as we both were satisfied with the trades. I can add about 3 more big breeders that have bought my surplus snakes or traded me something of theirs to get my babies they needed. once again no problems and a good deal. you have been posting on my for sale ads and when I post pictures trying to discredit me and trying to make me look less than an honest person, you could not be more wrong! so if you think that a big breeder wont buy something he needs from another breeder you are very wrong. :)

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Now who's being rude? :colbert:

I'm not sure which breeders you think I hold in high esteem, but perhaps you can shed some light on which ones are flipping snakes? I just find it hard to believe that many big breeders are looking for other snakes that they can flip instead of selling their own. The only "big" breeder I'm aware that did that was MKR, and I wouldn't consider them anywhere close to being a big breeder.

So besides MKR, are you saying VPI, NERD, RDR, or BHB flip snakes? Remarkable.

As far as trade deals, I'm not sure what that has to do with flipping snakes. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with trading or even selling a snake they didn't produce as long as they were clear on its origin.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Larry not trying to be rude to you, just want you to have a better understanding of whats going on behind the scenes and the word flipper is derogatory and demeaning to alot of people. the big breeder list you presented...I have did trade deals with 2 on your list. I had something they wanted and they had something I wanted. dont see any problems with that as we both were satisfied with the trades. I can add about 3 more big breeders that have bought my surplus snakes or traded me something of theirs to get my babies they needed. once again no problems and a good deal. you have been posting on my for sale ads and when I post pictures trying to discredit me and trying to make me look less than an honest person, you could not be more wrong! so if you think that a big breeder wont buy something he needs from another breeder you are very wrong. :)

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I think Larry is trying to say that if you sell these snakes that were produced from someone other than yourself, just say so....don't try to make it sound like you produced them. I don't think anyone has a problem with "flipping" or selling someone else's snakes, but they have a problem with you taking credit for producing them when that is not the case.

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Originally Posted by monk90222

I think Larry is trying to say that if you sell these snakes that were produced from someone other than yourself, just say so....don't try to make it sound like you produced them. I don't think anyone has a problem with "flipping" or selling someone else's snakes, but they have a problem with you taking credit for producing them when that is not the case.

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B I N G O!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Larry not trying to be rude to you, just want you to have a better understanding of whats going on behind the scenes and the word flipper is derogatory and demeaning to alot of people. the big breeder list you presented...I have did trade deals with 2 on your list. I had something they wanted and they had something I wanted. dont see any problems with that as we both were satisfied with the trades. I can add about 3 more big breeders that have bought my surplus snakes or traded me something of theirs to get my babies they needed. once again no problems and a good deal. you have been posting on my for sale ads and when I post pictures trying to discredit me and trying to make me look less than an honest person, you could not be more wrong! so if you think that a big breeder wont buy something he needs from another breeder you are very wrong. :)

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Ed, would you be so kind as to point to the threads that I tried to discredit you or tried to make you look like a dishonest person? That's a pretty big accusation, and I sincerely hope you can back it up. The only thread that I was able to find in which I left a comment was one where you were selling a Black Pastel and I actually complemented you on it.

Anyway, you stated that big breeders were flipping snakes... or reselling them if you prefer, as a standard business practice. I fully understand that many of them will do trades which I consider completely different even if they sell some of the snakes they traded for. Trades happen all the time, and I would think all the breeders would love to trade their animals for others. I know I have and will continue to do trades.

However, I was talking specifically of flipping, or purchasing snakes at wholesale prices with the sole intent of reselling them right away... and more specifically, the practice of some flippers to pass these wholesale snakes off as ones that they produced. Do you mean to tell me that some of the large breeders I mentioned have done this?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

That's the way to do it, Ed! IMO, there are too many flippers in this hobby just wanting to make a buck. I can't wait to see what you produce this season! :rockon:

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Hmmmm

I think somewhere we've slipped off the edge. I don't believe there was a point or accusation that flipping was actually occuring in this instance. Rather just pointing out that that's part of the hobby and that he feels strongly against it.

If I had some extra cash, I'd jump this boat in a NY minute, but my extra doesn't run to those numbers, and I don't have any sort of breeding program established YET that would interest someone.

Good luck in getting a response!

A mod should go through and get rid of the unneccessary content in this thread....it's a disgrace to these awesome pied's that i wish i could afford but can't at this time, but one day i'll have one.

not trying to be rude but i've been looking at alot of threads in this section and the majority seem to wonder off track quickly....IMO not the way it should be unless the seller takes it that way.

just my 2 cents not trying to insult or piss anyone off

Where in the OP did Ed declare that he produced the snakes? A simple "Wow, they're nice! Who produced them?" Would have sufficed in my opinion, if someone were wanting to know.
I have bought from Ed once, and am about to again; both times, I asked him regarding the lineage and breeding of the snakes, and he was honest with me and never acted like he produced the snakes himself, and that is fine with me.

Wow, they're nice! Who produced them? ;)

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Originally Posted by racer69

A mod should go through and get rid of the unneccessary content in this thread....it's a disgrace to these awesome pied's that i wish i could afford but can't at this time, but one day i'll have one.

not trying to be rude but i've been looking at alot of threads in this section and the majority seem to wonder off track quickly....IMO not the way it should be unless the seller takes it that way.

just my 2 cents not trying to insult or piss anyone off

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The seller did take it that way in post #9.

To clear something up and to stop all the childish bickering on this thread and hopefully on alot of posts that recieve unnessary negativity. this is a for sale ad, If you dont like what you see just move on to the next ad. everyone is not in the market for $8900.00 pied groups. :)


I did not produce these pieds and never said I did. Most of the morphs that I do produce came from parents that I bought or traded something to get them from other breeders. should everyone on THIS site be required to post pictures of the parents and grand parents to prove something?

Will I have to post pictures of my parents and grand parents to prove I exist? :P

Someone will recieve a great group of snakes here on this ad and Im sorry they have to read all the unnecessary clutter! :(

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

To clear something up and to stop all the childish bickering on this thread and hopefully on alot of posts that recieve unnessary negativity. this is a for sale ad, If you dont like what you see just move on to the next ad. everyone is not in the market for $8900.00 pied groups. :)


I did not produce these pieds and never said I did. Most of the morphs that I do produce came from parents that I bought or traded something to get them from other breeders. should everyone on THIS site be required to post pictures of the parents and grand parents to prove something?

Will I have to post pictures of my parents and grand parents to prove I exist? :P

Someone will recieve a great group of snakes here on this ad and Im sorry they have to read all the unnecessary clutter! :(

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I would also like a mod to clear this thread up and wish you good luck with the sale. To end that, the thing that is getting to a few people here is your abundance of for sale threads and the lack of information you bring to the table.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

I would also like a mod to clear this thread up and wish you good luck with the sale. To end that, the thing that is getting to a few people here is your abundance of for sale threads and the lack of information you bring to the table.

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Shouldn't the potential buyers be asking for more info if it's not included in the ad? I don't see the purpose of having the entire life's story of every snake for sale on every ad.

If a potential buyer cared where these animals originated, couldn't they just ask Ed? I personally would be more concerned that they're just healthy animals, which they certainly look to be...

Beautiful animals Ed! Good luck...

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Shouldn't the potential buyers be asking for more info if it's not included in the ad? I don't see the purpose of having the entire life's story of every snake for sale on every ad.

If a potential buyer cared where these animals originated, couldn't they just ask Ed? I personally would be more concerned that they're just healthy animals, which they certainly look to be...

Beautiful animals Ed! Good luck...

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I did not mean lack of information about the snakes he tries to sell. By that, I meant the lack of help he offers to people when they come with husbandry questions or feeding questions.

Tim, sorry but you are wrong in saying I dont answer husbandry or feeding questions. :)

It may not be real visable, but my PM box maxes out all the time with messages from members asking me questions about everything you can think of. and I enjoy answering these questions and helping others maintain their ball pythons.:)
I do post alot of for sale ads here, dont you think its more interesting seeing lots of ads for different things? :)

You dont have any idea of how many hours I spend sending pictures to members that request them and yet you criticise me for something you no nothing about?

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I did not mean lack of information about the snakes he tries to sell. By that, I meant the lack of help he offers to people when they come with husbandry questions or feeding questions.

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Stunning Pieds BTW; I wish they were within my financial reach.
Anyone who's talking about Ed not helping people out with keeping advice is spoutin' poppycock.

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Tim, sorry but you are wrong in saying I dont answer husbandry or feeding questions. :)

It may not be real visable, but my PM box maxes out all the time with messages from members asking me questions about everything you can think of. and I enjoy answering these questions and helping others maintain their ball pythons.:)
I do post alot of for sale ads here, dont you think its more interesting seeing lots of ads for different things? :)

You dont have any idea of how many hours I spend sending pictures to members that request them and yet you criticise me for something you no nothing about?

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If that is the case then I apologize. I will reitterate to say publicly answer questions. Either way, I will still say, best of luck with the sale. I am done here.

Glad this has been resolved... I'm gonna just throw this out there for what it's worth... I have not purchase a BP from Ed, but I have gotten frogs from him... despite the small monatary amount, he anwsered all my questions re: shipping, care, etc.... I also asked him several months ago to keep an "eye" out for a nice male to pair with my Guyanan BCC... not only has he located one for me... he is getting it treated at a herp vet inside and out for parasites.... (precaution... he's an inport) and despite my excitement to recieve him, Ed advised that he house him for a while to make sure that he is eating well etc before he shipps cross country because he doesn't want me to have any problems with him.... I think that says something... Like I said, just throwing it out there..........

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Glad this has been resolved... I'm gonna just throw this out there for what it's worth... I have not purchase a BP from Ed, but I have gotten frogs from him... despite the small monatary amount, he anwsered all my questions re: shipping, care, etc.... I also asked him several months ago to keep an "eye" out for a nice male to pair with my Guyanan BCC... not only has he located one for me... he is getting it treated at a herp vet inside and out for parasites.... (precaution... he's an inport) and despite my excitement to recieve him, Ed advised that he house him for a while to make sure that he is eating well etc before he shipps cross country because he doesn't want me to have any problems with him.... I think that says something... Like I said, just throwing it out there..........

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Just to clear my name some, I will step back in. I never doubted that Ed answered questions via PM once he said it and glad to see someone step up and back up his statements.

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

Just to clear my name some, I will step back in. I never doubted that Ed answered questions via PM once he said it and glad to see someone step up and back up his statements.

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I don't think your name needs clearing btw...:D that's not why I posted....
Trust me, if he DIDN'T assist via pm's I would have mentioned that instead! :P

No worries! :sunny:

Laura

Laura, your adult male guyana boa needs one more visit to the vet for worming, then he flys south to houston. it took a while to find the right mate for Margo but when you see this guy you will flip! :P

Laura, your birthday is coming up on april 4th. ;)

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Glad this has been resolved... I'm gonna just throw this out there for what it's worth... I have not purchase a BP from Ed, but I have gotten frogs from him... despite the small monatary amount, he anwsered all my questions re: shipping, care, etc.... I also asked him several months ago to keep an "eye" out for a nice male to pair with my Guyanan BCC... not only has he located one for me... he is getting it treated at a herp vet inside and out for parasites.... (precaution... he's an inport) and despite my excitement to recieve him, Ed advised that he house him for a while to make sure that he is eating well etc before he shipps cross country because he doesn't want me to have any problems with him.... I think that says something... Like I said, just throwing it out there..........

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I knew Ed was the type to help others find snakes even if he does not have them :cool: .Congrats Laura! I want to see pics ASAP when he reaches your place :P :D

PIEDS ANYONE! :lmao:

These guys never lose that crisp white! :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1173506600

wow someone buy these snakes already :) every time i see them i want them more and more, pieds are the coolest!

Beautiful snakes as usual Ed.:)

yes, PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE buy them!!! :please: :please: I sooooo much would LOVE to buy them, but can't spare that size of chunka money. :tears: waaaaah


(And until we move, I don't have any place to put that many new bodies. *sigh*) I got a new rack from a local hobbyist selling his collection, but I don't have a clue what size tubs yet (haven't measure length or depth yet) and I'd still need the extra thermometers.

Gorgeous pied there, Ed!!


RuLyn :sunny:

Pieds are my dream morph and ultimate goal.. I seriously wish I had the $$..

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Pieds are my dream morph and ultimate goal.. I seriously wish I had the $$..

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mine too :)

The Pied group has been sold. Thanks Bruce S. :)

Had to wait an extra day to ship this group as the male was locked up with the 100% het female. :D