best bp to start with

i have already breeded normals, and everything went perfectly. i want to start breeding more so which bp morph would be a good one to breed. good i guess means which 2 would produce a dominant trait after the first generation....there are a few so if you had experience (post pics of possible) or some examples. thanks

:rockon: :rockon:

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Originally Posted by adi

i have already breeded normals, and everything went perfectly. i want to start breeding more so which bp morph would be a good one to breed. good i guess means which 2 would produce a dominant trait after the first generation....there are a few so if you had experience (post pics of possible) or some examples. thanks

:rockon: :rockon:

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If you have a normal female you can get a dominant or co-dominant male to breed to her, 50% of your offsprings will be normal - 50% will be co-dom or dom depending on your pick.

Keep in mind those are odds.

Maybe you can get a better idea with this site http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html

if it was me, i would probably get a dom or co-dom trait. or get a couple hets together, whatever works best for you

thanks for the link-what im aiming for now is your opinions on which dom or co-dom trait is the coolest looking

If I get two Albino's and breed them I will get all Albino's?!?! :sunny: :sunny:

:P i love albinos but they are too expensive as of right now-anything in the 1500 or less department? thanks in advance everyone!

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Originally Posted by adi

thanks for the link-what im aiming for now is your opinions on which dom or co-dom trait is the coolest looking

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One thing I truly believe in is pick what YOU like the most, not what other think or like, because after all they gonna be your animals and you will be the one caring for them.

I picked mine because of what I like and what I hope to produce and that is the only thing that matter to me.

Think about what you like, what you want to produce and what you can afford and then make your decision.

i definitaley understand...of course they will be my animals and i will take care of them....my question may have been misguideful- i just wanted to know what 2 morphs can i buy for 1500 area...then i will make my decision

Hmm... I would say albino, but they cost more than you'd like...

Spider?

thats what i was thinking- spider and pastel

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Originally Posted by adi

thats what i was thinking- spider and pastel

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yup, thats exactly what i was going to say, spider and pastel. Great morphs :) if i were to get another morph it would be a mojave or spider. (I got a pied first because they are just so dang cool looking)

Mojave, Pastels, Spider, Black Pastel, Cinnamons,or Yellow Bellies are co-dom and in your price rang. I am in the same boat as you. I will have 6 females up to size by next year and I want a visual morph to produce.Trey

ohh i think cinnies are beautiful...but i didnt know they are in that price range!! thats awesome ill look into that

I say save a little more for 2 mojaves and make some white snakes, 2 pastels and try for a super pastel, or get a pastel and spider and make some bees

Buy 1.1 mojave ball pythons. Get the male to size to breed to the normal female(s) that you already have and you could get normals and mojaves from that breeding. The following year perhaps you could have your female mojave to size so you could have normals, mojaves & super mojaves (Blue Eyed Leucistic)


Rick

thanks for the help guys!

one question that ive always wondered....if its that easy to get a blue eyed leustic (sp?), then why do they cost so much? and why are they rare?

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Originally Posted by adi

thanks for the help guys!

one question that ive always wondered....if its that easy to get a blue eyed leustic (sp?), then why do they cost so much? and why are they rare?

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Any super will be worth a lot more. Look at super pastels, low prices are around $200 for males and say $500 for females yet the super costs upwards of $2k. That 100% chance of getting a morph gives you that extra edge in breeding. Why breed a mojave to a normal only to statistically get 50% mojave when you can breed one and get nothing but mojave? The leucistics are worth so much also because no one has really tried much with getting new morphs with them and there are quite a few possible combinations of making a leucistic.

Maybe get into some yellowbellies? Or cinnies..

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Originally Posted by mxrider42

Mojave, Pastels, Spider, Black Pastel, Cinnamons,or Yellow Bellies are co-dom and in your price rang. I am in the same boat as you. I will have 6 females up to size by next year and I want a visual morph to produce.Trey

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Spiders are co-dom?? I always read it was dominant.



As for your question on what to get. I'd either go for the pastel and spider combo or an albino. but thats me.

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Originally Posted by kplunk

Spiders are co-dom?? I always read it was dominant.



As for your question on what to get. I'd either go for the pastel and spider combo or an albino. but thats me.

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There was a discussion about a super spider on here a while back but don't remember what came of it. If I remember right someone had some good odds with a spider/normal pairing and thought he may have a super spider that looked just like a spider.

As for an albino, he said he wants some sort of dom/co-dom morph so he can produce morphs his first year pairing, albinism is a recessive trait.

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Originally Posted by adi

thanks for the help guys!

one question that ive always wondered....if its that easy to get a blue eyed leustic (sp?), then why do they cost so much? and why are they rare?

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you have to put in the time to raise up female morphs and everything has to go as planned! pairing,locks,ovulation,good eggs, hatching, and then hit the odds on a super!! it is sometimes harder than you think, and the odds aren't always in your favor.


get whatever morph you really like! be it co-dom or recessive. cleaning up and maintaing snakes that don't "do it" for you, will get old. imo.


vaughn

thanks for all the informative replies!

ya i guess they are expensive because of the time you take and the experience neccessary. im sure i want a spider and a pastel because Bees are my favorite morph. i will post another thread of pics once i get them....i still need to work for those last few bucks

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

There was a discussion about a super spider on here a while back but don't remember what came of it. If I remember right someone had some good odds with a spider/normal pairing and thought he may have a super spider that looked just like a spider.

As for an albino, he said he wants some sort of dom/co-dom morph so he can produce morphs his first year pairing, albinism is a recessive trait.

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In theory there is a homogeneous spider produced when breeding spider to spider or any dominate to dominate, in theory. Now this in not a visual homogeneous like in Mojave's or Pastels but rather an animal with two copies of the gene. This would mean that like super versions of Co dominate animals this animal when bread to a normal passes one copy of the gene to its off spring in turn producing all morphed snakes. IN THEORY!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

In theory there is a homogeneous spider produced when breeding spider to spider or any dominate to dominate, in theory. Now this in not a visual homogeneous like in Mojave's or Pastels but rather an animal with two copies of the gene. This would mean that like super versions of Co dominate animals this animal when bread to a normal passes one copy of the gene to its off spring in turn producing all morphed snakes. IN THEORY!

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Ok so the spider gene is dominant because if you have both genes it looks exactly the same. Nobody has produced a visible super spider yet but if they did it would mean that spider is co-dom.


I know that albino is recessive just didn't notice he wanted a co-dom/dom morph.. my bad..

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Originally Posted by kplunk

I know that albino is recessive just didn't notice he wanted a co-dom/dom morph.. my bad..

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It's okay, just don't let it happen again:gj: