Those of you with BPs and corns...

Can you run their heat tape on the same thermostat? I know that corns have slightly lower heat requirements--but it looks like they can enjoy up to 90 degrees, and it also looks like a bp can thrive with a warm side around 90... So could you set two tanks up on the same thermostat and have one suitable for a bp and one for a corn?

What if you set the corn's heat tape on the surface below the tub, and taped the bp's heat tape to the tub itself, so that at the same setting the bp's would warm the cage more than the corn's?

Has anyone played with this? I'm not seriously considering a corn snake right now, but the thought crosses my mind from time to time. It was a corn snake that wooed me over to snakes to begin with, and I still think they're awesome snakes.

And, since we spent so much money on a thermostat, it would be nice to know it could be used for future acquisitions, even if they're not bps. :D

Thanks,

Heather

i think that would totally work! another thing you could do is put more substrate in the corns enclosure... so you'd have a bit more padding between the heat and the snake. ;)

i use aspen... so i 'could' just add more to the corns.

Oh, that's good to know. We use aspen right now, too, and have noticed that the amount of substrate definitely influences how warm the belly heat is. So that makes a lot of sense--more for the corn, less for the bp.

Thanks!

Heather

glad to help! you've actually inspired me to add our corns to the bp rack we are building... ;) at least they can stay in the rack until we start breeding and need the space for babies.

This is just my opinion here: I would go separate dedicated stats for different snake species. Having "similar" requirements does mean the same. I strive to provide as exact conditions as possible for individual animals. All that aside I've never owned a corn so maybe your theory would work.

corns are not fussy about their temps or their humidity which is why so many people recommend them as a first snake.

so a corn wouldn't care at all about being "within a range" of temps. ;)

I don't put my corns on the hot side of the BP heat mat, I just have them on the cool side. IMO, the hot side of a BP is to much for a cornsnake. Good luck!:rockon:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

corns are not fussy about their temps or their humidity which is why so many people recommend them as a first snake.

so a corn wouldn't care at all about being "within a range" of temps. ;)

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Yeah, but I wouldn't get to hot with them. I wouldn't go above 90 Degrees with corns. That could lead to some problems.

the requirements for a corn snake are: 75-80F for the cool side, and 80-85F for the warm side. try to avoid temperatures below 70F and above 90F... so, that said... she could put a little newspaper on the bottom of her enclosure and then her aspen and VOILA a lower temp in her cornsnake enclosure.

certainly less expensive than setting up a whole new flexwatt and t-stat ;)

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

the requirements for a corn snake are: 75-80F for the cool side, and 80-85F for the warm side. try to avoid temperatures below 70F and above 90F... so, that said... she could put a little newspaper on the bottom of her enclosure and then her aspen and VOILA a lower temp in her cornsnake enclosure.

certainly less expensive than setting up a whole new flexwatt and t-stat ;)

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But if they ar anything like my corns they LOVE to burrow!;) Good luck!:D

You could always plug one of those Lutron Credenza(home depot) lamp dimmers into the tstat and lower the temps slightly on the corn's heatmat. I use this method on the cool side(11" flexwatt) of my juvie-rack and it works great. Temps are kept very stable and the dimmers can hold up to 300w.

ooooh great suggestion becky!!!

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

the requirements for a corn snake are: 75-80F for the cool side, and 80-85F for the warm side. try to avoid temperatures below 70F and above 90F... so, that said... she could put a little newspaper on the bottom of her enclosure and then her aspen and VOILA a lower temp in her cornsnake enclosure.

certainly less expensive than setting up a whole new flexwatt and t-stat ;)

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I disagree totaly here.My reasons are that corn snakes burrow into whatever the substrate is and will have direct contact with the higher heat source.I never allow my corns to be in temps higher then 80 to 85 ever.My reasons are because if you ever intend to breed them temps higher then 85 will cause the males to have low sperm counts,tis the reason they breed in the early parts of spring time basicly in the wild.I am actually surprised you prefere a less expensive way of setting up a enclosure for a corn snake.You do not have to spend alot of money on a thermostat for corns like you do for ball pythons.A simple $25 t-stat from www.reptilesupply.com will do what you need to keep your corns in perfect temps.I am not trying to start a fight here with anyone just giving my :twocents: and my experiance with both snakes.

Thanks for all the suggestions--wow, I didn't realize this topic would take off! I like the idea of plugging in a dimmer. Any objections on that score? I didn't realize about corn snakes being burrowers... although, could I place the heat tape farther from the enclosure (i.e., with a gap between it and the tub, as opposed to smack against the tub the way it is for the bp) and accomplish the same thing, while removing the option for the corn to burrow and get too close?

I'm not trying to unduly cut corners, and I don't actually have plans for a corn right now. I just prefer to keep things simple as possible when reasonable, and am wanting to get as much info now before I get serious about adding another snake of any sort.

Thanks again!

Heather

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Originally Posted by heatherhead42

Thanks for all the suggestions--wow, I didn't realize this topic would take off! I like the idea of plugging in a dimmer. Any objections on that score? I didn't realize about corn snakes being burrowers... although, could I place the heat tape farther from the enclosure (i.e., with a gap between it and the tub, as opposed to smack against the tub the way it is for the bp) and accomplish the same thing, while removing the option for the corn to burrow and get too close?

I'm not trying to unduly cut corners, and I don't actually have plans for a corn right now. I just prefer to keep things simple as possible when reasonable, and am wanting to get as much info now before I get serious about adding another snake of any sort.

Thanks again!

Heather

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Well the only thing that could go wrong with leaving the gap would be not getting the correct temps needed.Thats the only thing i could think would happen and then it might not,i guess you could do a trial run and see.Let us know if you do and the results.

i would think that lowering your heat tape so it isn't touching may work... although you'd have to check the temps to really be sure about it.

joe,

i'm curious. why can you use a cheap t-stat for corns? it is my understanding (which may be flawed) that cheap t-stats are unreliable.

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i would think that lowering your heat tape so it isn't touching may work... although you'd have to check the temps to really be sure about it.

joe,

i'm curious. why can you use a cheap t-stat for corns? it is my understanding (which may be flawed) that cheap t-stats are unreliable.

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The reasons i said its ok to use the $25 ones for the corn snakes is they only need temps in the 80 to 85 range.I have never had a problem out of the t-stats i have(the $25 ones i have several) and i know of a few others that use them with 0 problems.In this world everything has a few flaws or bad apples if you will when it comes to technology,so some have problems some dont.Recently we had a thread where a t-stat stopped working properly and i think it was a higher dollar one.Thats the chances we take when buying anything now days and its sad in my opinion:( .

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

You could always plug one of those Lutron Credenza(home depot) lamp dimmers into the tstat and lower the temps slightly on the corn's heatmat. I use this method on the cool side(11" flexwatt) of my juvie-rack and it works great. Temps are kept very stable and the dimmers can hold up to 300w.

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Gah, I bought a separate thermostat to control my cool side! :P

1. Corns can burrow to the bottom of the tub no matter what amount of substrate you use.

2. There is no temperature range etched in stone for any particular species. Many species of reptiles have thrived under many different temperature ranges... that being said I would not just pluck a range out of the sky for no reason, but read or get advice from some reputable keepers and find out what works for you and your snakes.

Thanks guys! What a wealth of information and opinion.

If I do decide to get a corn, I'll get the tub and tape and all and get it set up, and just play to see if I can get a consistent temperature range just a few degrees below the BP temp without purchasing a bunch of new expensive equipment. If I can do that, then I'll go for it. If not, I'll wait and decide if I want to invest in more equipment. And I'll keep ya'll posted on what I do or don't do. :)

Thanks,

Heather

From the reading I did, corns like a warm side much cooler than a bp, so I wouldn't try putting them on the same t-stat. Not worth the risk in my opinion. Jenson's cage has a UTH set to 85, the floor covered with a cut-to-fit repti-carpet so he can't get to the bottom and then shaved aspen. I thread the t-stat probed through the repti carpet so it sits on top of it in the aspen, right where he lays. (well, that's how we do his, the bp and bcc's t-stat probes).

Anywho....yeah! :D

Bottom shelf of a rack works good for corns since in my case it is 6 degrees lower due to sitting on the floor and all of the heat tape in the rack is wired to one plug and controlled by one thermostat.
If you go this route. Use a temp gun to check temps.