freedom breeder racks vs. others (opinions plz!)

well i am searching for a good rack system and have been on a few websites, all with different styles, sizes and prices for racking systems. i was liking the cb-70 rack from reptilebasics.com but unfortunately he cant ship a rack system out to me in canada because of irresponsible shipping and handling.

so i ended up on the freedom breeder website (freedombreeder.com) and i found out that there is an option to order single levels of their cb-70 racking system. for 3 levels which can hold 9 tubs(included) and comes with heating aswell, it will cost me around $1200 shipped to canada and should get to me within two weeks. the ship time is pretty amazing compared to most other websites i have called and the price is pretty decent if compared to other rack systems that hold 4 tubs of the same size and with shipping will cost me around $700 shipped or even more.

so for $1200 shipped i get a quality rack with heat that holds 9 tubs where as racks from other websites can cost me over $700 with only 4 tubs.

ok so sorry for the long post i guess im still trying to decide what to do.

so are there any racking systems out there that you guys recommend over freedom racks? is my reasoning in deciding freedom over the other systems reasonable...? i am leaning towards doing this but i would really appreciate all your opinions in helping me decide.

thanks in advance guys!!

I use and like ARS (www.arscaging.com). You cant go wrong with Freedon Breeder though. Both ARS and FB sell a 10 high CB70 rack that comes with heat and tubs for around $1000 plus shipping.

http://www.arscaging.com/htm/models_ARS7010.html

http://freedombreeder.com/cage.php?cageID=23

I've used just about every type of rack in the business and I love my freedom breeders ... my snakes in my freedom breeders eat and breed much better than the snakes I have in my old wooden and plastic enclosed racks.

But that's just my opinion for whatever it's worth.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

But that's just my opinion for whatever it's worth.

-adam

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it's worth a lot and you kno it................don't give me that! :D

hey guys thanks for the responses i really appreciate them!


jglass i never saw that 10 high cb-70. now im faced another decision. go with the 10 high or get the the stacks that i can add on to later...

what do you think?

adam do what type of freedom breeder do you use for adult balls??

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it's worth a lot and you kno it................don't give me that! :D

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LOL ... there are a lot of people here that would disagree ... all I can do is keep on keepin on. ;)

-adam

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it's worth a lot and you kno it................don't give me that! :D

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how do you know? maybe adam is a ball python poser....:rolleyes:

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hey guys thanks for the responses i really appreciate them!


jglass i never saw that 10 high cb-70. now im faced another decision. go with the 10 high or get the the stacks that i can add on to later...

what do you think?

adam do what type of freedom breeder do you use for adult balls??

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There is no real difference except the 10 high is 10 tubs total and the others are 3 across and stackable to around 10...did that make any sense?

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Originally Posted by bigballs

hey guys thanks for the responses i really appreciate them!


jglass i never saw that 10 high cb-70. now im faced another decision. go with the 10 high or get the the stacks that i can add on to later...

what do you think?

adam do what type of freedom breeder do you use for adult balls??

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Large adult completes ... I use an extra 3" heat panel on the bottom level and add a piece of 1/4 rigid foam board to the bottom level as well.

-adam

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how do you know? maybe adam is a ball python poser....:rolleyes:

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The only problem with that theory is that too many people here have seen and held my balls ... :O

-adam

if i had the freedom breeder rack in a room that the temperature is 70 degrees would the 3" heat tape on each level be enough to heat each tub to a the proper temp??

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The only problem with that theory is that too many people here have seen and held my balls ... :O

-adam

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I didn't :8:

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The only problem with that theory is that too many people here have seen and held my balls ... :O

-adam

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haha well ill take your word for it! from everyones opinoin here i already believe that you have exceptional balls...:snake:

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Originally Posted by bigballs

aswell, it will cost me around $1200 shipped to canada and should get to me within two weeks.

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Did Freedom Breeder actually tell you that? Because the last time I checked, they wanted close to $700 to ship up here ( Thats shipping cost alone) ;)

Don't forget that you're also going to get dinged 15% for taxes from Customs :)

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I didn't :8:

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Not due to the lack of an invite! :love:

-adam

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Not due to the lack of an invite! :love:

-adam

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Yeah I know again too bad I live so far :( because I would love to see your Balls ;)

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There is no real difference except the 10 high is 10 tubs total and the others are 3 across and stackable to around 10...did that make any sense?

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ya thats what i was thinking but i also was thinking to get the single 10 high one. i think the 3 across and stackable to 10 high would be good so i can add on whenever i need to though...

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Did Freedom Breeder actually tell you that? Because the last time I checked, they wanted close to $700 to ship up here ( Thats shipping cost alone) ;)

Don't forget that you're also going to get dinged 15% for taxes from Customs :)

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freedom breeder actually qouted me that with my postal code. but im not buying the whole ten level, 30 tub set up. im only getting the first nine tubs which is only 3 levels.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I use and like ARS (www.arscaging.com). You cant go wrong with Freedon Breeder though. Both ARS and FB sell a 10 high CB70 rack that comes with heat and tubs for around $1000 plus shipping.

http://www.arscaging.com/htm/models_ARS7010.html

http://freedombreeder.com/cage.php?cageID=23

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Jamie, have you noticed a major difference between the Freedom Breeders and ARS Caging. I'm reviewing my replacement options for the racks I lost and I'm seriously considering moving to open racks, and I'm left with these two as an option. Unfortunately, pictures don't give you a great idea of what the differences are.

Freedom Breeders are, IMO, the best out there...although for the best you generally have to pay the best price.

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Jamie, have you noticed a major difference between the Freedom Breeders and ARS Caging. I'm reviewing my replacement options for the racks I lost and I'm seriously considering moving to open racks, and I'm left with these two as an option. Unfortunately, pictures don't give you a great idea of what the differences are.

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Here are my thoughts, as unbiased as I can possibly be. I am very familiar with both racks and there are a lot of similarities and very few differences. I don't think Brian at ARS would deny that his rack was based on the Freedom Breeders that have been the gold standard for breeder racks for many years. Both racks are made of powder coated steel tubing. Both racks use 3" (I believe although it might be 4") heat tape secured to the underside of a piece of metal that is velcroed to each level so that the tubs don't ever touch the heat tape. Both racks are an open air design but FB levels have way more ventilation holes. This could be a problem if you have a low humidity room but that is a judgement call. I happen to think the ARS tubs slide much better than the FB. In the end, the pricing is very similar and the design is pretty similar. Either one will last you pretty much forever. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

I have an ARS 10 high rack. I love it but I am 6'1" tall and with the casters on, the top tub is over my head, the next tub is eye level. Just keep that in mind. I need a stepstool to use the top tub.

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Freedom Breeders are, IMO, the best out there...although for the best you generally have to pay the best price.

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I agree.

-adam

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I don't think you can go wrong either way.

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That's kind of how I'm seeing it. I like them both, but may end up spending the few extra bucks on the FB... but thanks for the reply :).

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That's kind of how I'm seeing it. I like them both, but may end up spending the few extra bucks on the FB... but thanks for the reply :).

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No problem!

if i had the freedom breeder rack in a room that the temperature is 70 degrees would the 3" heat tape on each level be enough to heat each tub to a the proper temp??

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if i had the freedom breeder rack in a room that the temperature is 70 degrees would the 3" heat tape on each level be enough to heat each tub to a the proper temp??

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Not likely without supplemental room heat. That is an extremely cold room. I would suggest an oil filled radiator hooked up to a Ranco or Johnsons tstat. Get your room up to around 82 or so and then you'll be good to go with the FB.

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That is an extremely cold room.

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No doubt!

bigballs, is your snake room at 70 right now?

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No doubt!

bigballs, is your snake room at 70 right now?

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unfortunately it is in my basement and i dont have a room heater right now. the enclosures reach proper temps and humidity but it is a little difficult to keep humidity levels constant.

i have a little area in my basement that is maybe 6ft x 6ft and open on one side i was thinking of putting up a curtain on the open side and putting a space heater inside. hopefully it will reach 80-82 in there and i can put my new rack in it.

does that sound like a good idea??

the fb and ars racks are designed to be used in climate controlled rooms. where temps and humidity are controlled and stable.


big, i would get an oil filled heater or two and get the basement temps up for those style racks (open air).
instead of a curtain, i would build 2x4 walls and just make a smaller room. insulation is your friend, it will help alot with temps.


vaughn

hey vaughn, what if i put heat tape on the hot and cold side of each tub and controlled them with two seperate thermostats??

would that work in my basement with 70 as the ambient temp?

i don't think so, with the ars and fb style racks. they are designed to be "open air" and ventilate alot. the heat would be lost. you might be able to cover most of the vents, but this would defeat the purpose of this style of racks. heating the basement would be best imo, or at least make a small insulated room.




vaughn

ok well what about a melamine rack for example. would the basement ambient temperature be too low for a more "closed" rack system?? would i need a heater either way??