Would this be an unfair trade?

A large proven breeder CB normal female for a hatchling albino? I'm asking on behalf of the owner of the albino.You guy's input is neeeded for this person.

hello there

in my opinion it would be a unfair trade..i dont think the person with the albino would evan consider doing that..but you never no..

good luck

ollie

I would be afraid that the female isn't really CBB. With the albino, there's not really a lot of guesswork involved...

who is getting what?

an albino is visible proof. my concern would be this "proven breeder"...i'd hope there were some pictures of a lock up, maybe mom wrapped around her eggs to prove that it is a breeder.

Yeah. They have pics of mom on eggs on two different occasions.

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

Yeah. They have pics of mom on eggs on two different occasions.

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Unless she lays golden eggs i would never trade a albino for a normal female.I have seen some joke threads showing a snake on a clutch of eggs(it was a male on them) i am not saying that person is doing this just showing how easy it is to show a snake as a breeder.

so the question would be, how much is that proven breeder worth to that particular person? How much is that albino worth to that particular person?

Ed Clark sold quality 1500g females for over 1k a piece. It's all about how you feel the animal is worth...not what the market says. if it's proven, eating, healthy, documentation, then I would say go for the trade :gj:

Definitely a lopsided deal favoring the owner of the normal female.


Not a trade I would consider.

There are good-sized, even proven females out there at reasonable prices.

I think it depends on the quality of the albino and normal. IMO, a 4,000 gram reduced, black back, or blushing normal would be worth more than a plain albino. :2cent:

how big is the girl? how many eggs does she lay? who's had her? and how long? these are a few questions i'd ask.

a nice 10-12 egg girl might be worth alot to the right person! maybe more than an albino or other morphs?
as long as both parties in the trade are happy and satisfied,
no one else's opinion really matters, right?


vaughn

Scott, I would disagree with you on the lop sided trade.


Heres my point; say you owned a male bumble bee that could produce $3500.00 hatchlings, and you had to trade a albino ball that was worth $1200.00? to get that breeder size female.

you do the breeding and end up with 3 bees that are worth $10,500.00
now wouldn't that $1200.00 investment in a big normal female be a great investment?
You just traded a $1200.00 albino for a female that gave you a clutch of over $10,500.00 thats a profit of $9,300.00
Tell me again how lop sided this trade is? :)

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Originally Posted by shavemycoinpurse

Definitely a lopsided deal favoring the owner of the normal female.


Not a trade I would consider.

There are good-sized, even proven females out there at reasonable prices.

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O.K. I don't want any fighting here guys.I was kinda thinking along ECLARK's point of view. But, everyone does have a different point of view, which is totally fine. So, let me come clean. ....The female in question in mine. I really really REALLY am desperate for a lil albino, and I thought that it might be an even trade, but maybe I was wrong....on either count, i'm not sure. However, I can assure you she IS a CB proven girl, because I have bred her MYSELF.

A fair trade is when both parties are happy with the deal. It all depends on what your future plans are. Personally I wouldn't do it, but only because I already have enough large normal breeder females for my purposes. If I didn't have enough females for my projects, but I had a spare hatchling albino, I might make the trade. It really depends more on what your goals are then in the perceived dollar value of the animal.

Mark

Crystal you got a lot of mixed opinions. I think Mark hit it on the head..as long as both parties are happy with the end results then there is no problem. :gj: good luck with the trade and keep us posted! and pics! pics! pics!

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Originally Posted by kavmon

how big is the girl? how many eggs does she lay? who's had her? and how long? these are a few questions i'd ask.

a nice 10-12 egg girl might be worth alot to the right person! maybe more than an albino or other morphs?
as long as both parties in the trade are happy and satisfied,
no one else's opinion really matters, right?


vaughn

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Vaughn hit it right on.

oh yeah Vaughn too :)

i agree with vaughn as well. it doesn't matter what anyone thinks... if it's fair to both of you... then it's fair. ;)

and look at it this way as well:

if i had a female... and she bred for me... i had 10 normal balls... sold them for $100 each... that's $1,000

then i looked at the albino... and in the three years it takes to get it to the same size as my proven breeder... i could make $3,000 from the normal breeding...

makes the deal fair in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

A fair trade is when both parties are happy with the deal. It all depends on what your future plans are. Personally I wouldn't do it, but only because I already have enough large normal breeder females for my purposes. If I didn't have enough females for my projects, but I had a spare hatchling albino, I might make the trade. It really depends more on what your goals are then in the perceived dollar value of the animal.

Mark

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It can't be said any better than this. In my opinion, if both parties are willing, and happy with what they get, then the trade was fair. If I were in your shoes, I would say do it. Like Ed said, this guy might have a Pewter, and another proven female might fit into his plans better than a hatchling female Albino. We all know that you would like an Albino, so if you can part with your proven female and not feel any remorse later, then trade away. Just my two cents.

Personally, I'd keep the albino ... albinos ROCK and will always be in very strong demand ... The value of adult normal girls isn't what it used to be and these days they can easily be had for a lot less (or at least that's what I'm told by a big sexy breeder friend of mine in VA) .... but that's just me. :D

-adam

I think you've gotten some very good advice with varying opinions.


In my opinion, it really depends on what you want from the trade. Usually an albino is worth more than an adult normal female breeder. However, if you have several normals and you don't need that one for a project this year and you want the albino for future projects I'd say go for it.

Let us know what you decide.

I think that this all stems frm there being no accepted price for normal, breeder females.. you can generally say that now, "an '06 albino male is worth about $1200." But what price for the breeder female?
Personally I don't think this deal would be fair to the albino trader; maybe if something else were added to the female? But still I would be leary.. that's just me though. :)

Thanks guys.

I appreciate everyone's opinion...they are all good, valid ones. Thanks...I knew I could depend on you guys. I didn't think anyone would trade me anyways.......i just thought I'd "throw my curiosity out there". See, I lost my little het albino male :( and it got me thinking. I am kinda partial to my big girl, so i guess it's better that i keep her anyway......(hoping to get 10 eggs from her this year! ....some pastels...:D)

I think the days of $1000 female breeders are gone (unless maybe if she is just a monster that produces 12+ eggs a season). Female breeders are becoming much more readily available now. I am assuming it is because a lot of the bigger breeders are replacing normal females with morph females? I bought a 3000g proven female in Daytona from a very well respected breeder for $300. That is about the most I would pay for a normal. As for your trade, if it were me with the albino I would consider a trade for 3 big proven females.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I think the days of $1000 female breeders are gone (unless maybe if she is just a monster that produces 12+ eggs a season). Female breeders are becoming much more readily available now. I am assuming it is because a lot of the bigger breeders are replacing normal females with morph females? I bought a 3000g proven female in Daytona from a very well respected breeder for $300. That is about the most I would pay for a normal. As for your trade, if it were me with the albino I would consider a trade for 3 big proven females.

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I disagree on the $1000 female days being gone.It takes alot to get those girls that big and since they are proven breeders(this does not include those WC) and since all you need is 1 high dollar co-dom or dom and $$$.It would take alot more then $1000 to get me to sell either of the 3 girls i have now,even when i have morph breeders down the line.In my situation i still love seeing those little heads pip out whether they are norms or morphs:cool: .

I'd keep the albino...given a choice, I'd rather clean doo doo up after a female albino rather than a normal female, regardless if she was proven or not. 1000-1500 gram normal females aren't all that hard to find and won't require you to ditch a visible female morph that will be much more valuable to you later on.

But hey, if Jimmy has a bumble bee male and wants to make a quick buck, trading his female albino for a breedable normal might be a good deal in his eyes...who wants to wait 3 years to make a return on your investment anyway? ;) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

But hey, if Jimmy has a bumble bee male and wants to make a quick buck, trading his female albino for a breedable normal might be a good deal in his eyes...who wants to wait 3 years to make a return on your investment anyway? ;) :rolleyes:

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I think that's really what it comes down to.

Trades are fine as long as both parties consider them fair. Third parties are welcome to their opinions, but it really doesn't matter what they think. Although this is more of a straight trade, here's an example.

The great majority of snakes I had in my collection came from trading my web design/development skills. To me, it was the greatest deal ever... I was doing something almost second nature to me and was getting snakes out of the deal. But I'm sure the people I traded with felt the same way.

Given that... I'd keep the Albino :D

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I disagree on the $1000 female days being gone.It takes alot to get those girls that big and since they are proven breeders(this does not include those WC) and since all you need is 1 high dollar co-dom or dom and $$$.It would take alot more then $1000 to get me to sell either of the 3 girls i have now,even when i have morph breeders down the line.In my situation i still love seeing those little heads pip out whether they are norms or morphs:cool: .

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How many females would you like? I can let about 5 go. I will pm you my Payapl address so you can send the 5k :) . Seriously though I don't disagree that they can be worth $1000. They can easily produce more than $1000 worth of codoms in the first season. My point is they are no longer selling for $1000. Why would someone pay $1000 for a snake that can now be bought for $300 or less? Obviously you want to trust the person you are buying from but I bought mine from a very well respected breeder that is actually a sponsor on this site and I saw plenty of other female breeders for sale in Daytona. I also think the Codoms price drop really hurt normal females value. Your point is about what they can produce is correct, but the animals are only worth(monitarily at least) what someone is willing to pay and I can't imagine there is anyone out there getting 1k for normal females anymore.

I noticed the price has dropped for albinos....is that for both sexes???? That also means a price drop for the hets as well too i guess......

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Originally Posted by pfan151

How many females would you like? I can let about 5 go. I will pm you my Payapl address so you can send the 5k :) . Seriously though I don't disagree that they can be worth $1000. They can easily produce more than $1000 worth of codoms in the first season. My point is they are no longer selling for $1000. Why would someone pay $1000 for a snake that can now be bought for $300 or less? Obviously you want to trust the person you are buying from but I bought mine from a very well respected breeder that is actually a sponsor on this site and I saw plenty of other female breeders for sale in Daytona. I also think the Codoms price drop really hurt normal females value. Your point is about what they can produce is correct, but the animals are only worth(monitarily at least) what someone is willing to pay and I can't imagine there is anyone out there getting 1k for normal females anymore.

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all depends on the girl!! "worth" is very variable and depends on the people involved also.

$1000.00 isn't even close to the ball park for this girl

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/DSCN0669.JPG


vaughn

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Originally Posted by kavmon

all depends on the girl!! "worth" is very variable and depends on the people involved also.

$1000.00 isn't even close to the ball park for this girl

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/DSCN0669.JPG


vaughn

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Isn't a "princess" priceless??? ;)

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Originally Posted by kavmon

all depends on the girl!! "worth" is very variable and depends on the people involved also.

$1000.00 isn't even close to the ball park for this girl

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/DSCN0669.JPG


vaughn

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Vaughn, I agree with you, I have alot of normal females that I would not sell for any amount of money. To me they are priceless!

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Originally Posted by kavmon

all depends on the girl!! "worth" is very variable and depends on the people involved also.

$1000.00 isn't even close to the ball park for this girl

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/DSCN0669.JPG


vaughn

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Umm you wouldn't be needing an extra kidney would you Vaughn dear? Heck I've got two and I'm sure I could manage with just the one (though to be honest it was driven more than only on Sundays and I'm not really an old lady yet....darn that truth in advertising!!!!!) :P

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

A large proven breeder CB normal female for a hatchling albino? I'm asking on behalf of the owner of the albino.You guy's input is neeeded for this person.

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This all depend on your intent ... if your a breeder and have albinos and need a good sized breeder female then yea. Any any animal (from a breeding stand point) that will help you grow as a breeder is worth its weight in gold. You get an animal that has the potentinal to make you far more over the years (as a breeder) than the one time sale of one albino hatchling. It would totaly be worth it. I'd put that fat girl in with male spider male and make more selling spiders or pastels or even Poss. het pieds than one albino. Just my two cents.

I have a female that is tapping 3000 grams, got offered 5000.00 for her and turned it down why she going to be producing mojaves this fall why else.

if youre really desperate for a lil albino for yourself and are willing to part with your proven female and will not regret it later on then go for it. anything is worth only what its worth to you, not the market value or any other persons opinion.


but if i was in your situation, i would keep the proven female and purchase a lil male albino hatchling. they are not that expensive anymore and definatley worth the price. money will always come but the time you spent on raising the female will never be returned.

this way you can have both!;)

Whoah Vaughn!!!! Hopefully I'll be taking a similar pic of my big girl this spring.:please:...been lockin up like crazy with a pastel......or so I've heard.....;). Hermione was almost 3000 grams before breeding season. ya know, I guess I would be better off keeping her. She was my first bp female ever...we go back a few....;) it was just that I was upset at losin my lil het albino male, and don't wanna wait three years or more to get an albino.

Thanks bigballs (:giggle:) I know albinos have gotten cheaper, but with my financial situation being what it is, it's still WAY outta my price range. Thanks for the kind words though. :blowkiss:

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I think the days of $1000 female breeders are gone (unless maybe if she is just a monster that produces 12+ eggs a season). Female breeders are becoming much more readily available now. I am assuming it is because a lot of the bigger breeders are replacing normal females with morph females? I bought a 3000g proven female in Daytona from a very well respected breeder for $300. That is about the most I would pay for a normal. As for your trade, if it were me with the albino I would consider a trade for 3 big proven females.

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I agree ... I am continuously aquiring adult and sub-adult normal females to expand my collection and they are a lot more affordable these days ... of course, to me they are worth 10x's their weight in gold, but there are a lot of people out there reducing the size of their collection, getting out all together, or looking for a quick sale ... I've been able to do quite well expanding the number of adult normal girls in my collection very affordably.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I agree ... I am continuously aquiring adult and sub-adult normal females to expand my collection and they are a lot more affordable these days ... of course, to me they are worth 10x's their weight in gold, but there are a lot of people out there reducing the size of their collection, getting out all together, or looking for a quick sale ... I've been able to do quite well expanding the number of adult normal girls in my collection very affordably.

-adam

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:D :gj:

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

:D :gj:

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