PETA members "get it"

These losers from PETA are on trial for 21 charges of animal cruelty.

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Originally Posted by MSNBC

WINTON, N.C. - An animal-rights worker charged with dumping the bodies of euthanized dogs and cats apologized in court Thursday, saying she left the carcasses in a trash bin because they stank.

Adria J. Hinkle denied, however, that she had ever promised overwhelmed animal shelters in northeastern North Carolina that the animals taken by her group, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, would not be euthanized.

Hinkle and Andrew B. Cook, both PETA workers, are on trial on 21 counts of animal cruelty, along with charges of littering and obtaining property by false pretenses.

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I heard about this on the radio this morning on my way to work. WOW is all I can say. I hope they burn and burn good.

Karma? Anyone? Karma!


I'm gonna go eat some steak, bbl.

-Jason

i'm shocked... although in another way i'm not shocked... but i'm shocked.

LMAO
Well, PETA shows their true colors (and level of intelligence) yet again.
I think I'll go eat a steak too.....ok, no steak, ick. I'll have a salad and think about cows in Colorado and roaches at Knotts Berry Farm and the mice I just fed to my snakes :D

It always cracks me up how those PETA people will go and release animals into the wild off of farms, like on the mink farms.. obviously all of those released animals will die, b/c they have never seen the wild.. how stupid.

"Hinkle testified that she and Cook euthanized the animals in the back of her van. She said they were supposed to bring the carcasses back to PETA's offices in Norfolk, Va., but that the stench in her van had overwhelmed her in the past." (bold is mine)

So these supposed animals lovers had obviously done this before hadn't they. Somehow it's kind to dogs and cats to crowd them into a van, let them watch and be in close proximity as other dogs and cats are put down, then toss them in a dumpster like so much garbage. Nice job PETA! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

It always cracks me up how those PETA people will go and release animals into the wild off of farms, like on the mink farms.. obviously all of those released animals will die, b/c they have never seen the wild.. how stupid.

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that really bothers me as well =/

I love mink and someday I'll have a pet mink hopefully :)

This is a link to the trial. PETA's headquarters killed some 14,000 animals, and this was just the tip of the iceberg that's being revealed. I can't say as it surprises me, an organization that opposes pets, taking in pets then killing them, rather than adopting them out like they say... hmmmm.. yeah, that fits. Hope they get the maximum, AND that the local government sues them in civil court for something too!
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial_Day1.cfm
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

that really bothers me as well =/

I love mink and someday I'll have a pet mink hopefully :)

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Hey, we have a little ermine that lives around our house, in the abandoned barn; he is the cutest thing. I will try to get a pic of him!

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Hey, we have a little ermine that lives around our house, in the abandoned barn; he is the cutest thing. I will try to get a pic of him!

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oh I'd love to see a picture

14,000 animals!? Wow. Makes me hate them all the more.

I hope I never see a headline such as "bad news for U.S. snake owners: all snakes over 4ft banned" because of these idiots.

I think it is wrong to completely villify PETA for the actions of some. Isn't that like saying all Muslims are terrorists or all government officials are corrupt? PETA has done some good work in an effort to stop animal testing, which in my opinion is a barbaric and antiquated practice. Try to keep it in perspective. :)

Just because someone says we should end world hunger in no way makes them nice people when they are killing children, raping old women etc.
And this wasn't two members of PETA acting on thier own, this was PETA policy, to this day!
They take in large numbers of pets, supposedly to rehome them, and then euthanize them. They support arsonists, and murderers. They give funds to both.
I don't like unneeded or inhumane testing on animals, but I won't support a terriost lying organization like PETA.
Wolfy

How do we know it is PETA policy. Has there been some type of investigation uncovering this and more or just based on these two idiots.

If you have a link supporting that I would love to see it.

I tend to think along the lines of Jamie.

I don't support 99% of PETA but I do go w/ the research and the way animals are kept prior to slaughter or chickens laying eggs or cockfighting.

This page(although obviously skewed against PETA) uses PETA's OWN paperwork to show numbers.
Read the trial information, and hear what PETA's own lawyers and people say. They were not against euthanizing these pets, they were against DUMPING the bodies in a dumpster behind a Piggley-Wiggley.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm
That's the numbers from PETA's records.
Look up PETA's own press releases, where they praise the arson of places, the records where the president of PETA has given funds to defend people who set fire to, destroyed, and attempted to kill people. They paid funds to people who burned an apartment complex.
It's a good cause to not want inhumane treatment of animals. This is not the group to do it.
Most of the bills that are being enacted against keeping certain herps or snakes in particular, are sponsered by PETA, or supported by PETA companies.
Shrug, it's not only my opinion, it's supported by facts from PETA itself. They don't support keeping pets. I can't support them or their tactics.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

This page(although obviously skewed against PETA) uses PETA's OWN paperwork to show numbers.
Read the trial information, and hear what PETA's own lawyers and people say. They were not against euthanizing these pets, they were against DUMPING the bodies in a dumpster behind a Piggley-Wiggley.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm
That's the numbers from PETA's records.
Look up PETA's own press releases, where they praise the arson of places, the records where the president of PETA has given funds to defend people who set fire to, destroyed, and attempted to kill people. They paid funds to people who burned an apartment complex.
It's a good cause to not want inhumane treatment of animals. This is not the group to do it.
Most of the bills that are being enacted against keeping certain herps or snakes in particular, are sponsered by PETA, or supported by PETA companies.
Shrug, it's not only my opinion, it's supported by facts from PETA itself. They don't support keeping pets. I can't support them or their tactics.
Wolfy

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Skewed indeed... :D

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

They don't support keeping pets. I can't support them or their tactics.
Wolfy

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I agree with that.

I do not support the taking of someones life , arson or any type of violence in the name of anything. I was just wondering if it was their policy to actually kill pets instead of finding homes for them. If so that is indeed very very sad.

In the early 80's I owned a business and I did send a fair amount of money their way especially during the monkee incident out at NIH. But I soon realized they where a bit to far to the "left" for me when it came down to house pets etc.
It is to bad because some of the work they do is needed very much so.

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Originally Posted by JasonGranger

These losers from PETA are on trial for 21 charges of animal cruelty.



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Im sorry. Im confused. They're on charge because they didnt dispose of the carcusses? Well Im all for PETA and what they do, I suppor them.. but like any other group they aways have the bad apples :( I wouldnt mind reading more about this AS LONG as its not from the site; petakillsanimals.com.. I found that site to be a big plop of rotten balogna.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

"Hinkle testified that she and Cook euthanized the animals in the back of her van. She said they were supposed to bring the carcasses back to PETA's offices in Norfolk, Va., but that the stench in her van had overwhelmed her in the past." (bold is mine)

So these supposed animals lovers had obviously done this before hadn't they. Somehow it's kind to dogs and cats to crowd them into a van, let them watch and be in close proximity as other dogs and cats are put down, then toss them in a dumpster like so much garbage. Nice job PETA! :mad:

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At least they arent liek the animal farms, as the cows watch their companions throats cut opened and a man reache sintot he throat and pulls all of its throat out and let the cow walk aroun din circles flopping around, cant scream because its trhoat has eben disembled. Then after its gone, its hoisted into the air, upside down, and comes back to life as the blood rushes back to the head and heart...

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

It always cracks me up how those PETA people will go and release animals into the wild off of farms, like on the mink farms.. obviously all of those released animals will die, b/c they have never seen the wild.. how stupid.

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They rehablitiate them..


I think tis funny how some many people who hear one bad thing abotu somethign is totally then ANTI that oen thing. I mean honestly, I could make a duplicate of that PETAKILSANIMALS.COM site and say something tottally out of it, and people will say "Yeah I saw it n her site so it must be true" Yet, they do have good info, just that they dont suppor tthemselves. They say PETA kills animals, and that the site is totally against that, then they contradict themselves about its ok to kill farm animals as we do and ect ect.. funny crap.. and much more info I found condradicting themselves numerous times. Its of funny, I cant believe peopel believe that crud.

This isnt to start anythign. But I believe EVERYONE should read and listen to both sides of the story before assuming something... Like a judge and the Jurry. Just because someone says something of the other, you cant believe them untill tyou heard EVERYTHING... and must know there are always the bad among the good. Like everything else in this world...

someone has to do the dirty work when pet owners refuse to spay and neuter

it's sad that animals have to be euthanized but it's something that has to be done to control the over population

I'd rather a cat/dog be euthanized then live it's whole life in a shelter getting passed up for a cute kitten/puppy in the next kennel

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

They rehablitiate them..

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that is not true

I know someone who runs a mink rescue and they are constantly being called out to mink farms because "PETA CRAZIES" let a ton of mink loose.
They do not catch them or do anything with the mink besides let them out.

My friend finds tons of dead mink that starved once they were loose. The mink were born and raised in cages. You can't expect them to know how to hunt, protect themselves, ect.

I even watched one of those PETA videos were the 'crazies' were letting them out of the cages and saw they did nothing but open the doors and then leave.

I am as much of a anti-cruelty/animal rights person as you'll find but I also know when you're crossing the line into being a 'crazy'

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

This isnt to start anythign. But I believe EVERYONE should read and listen to both sides of the story before assuming something... Like a judge and the Jurry. Just because someone says something of the other, you cant believe them untill tyou heard EVERYTHING... and must know there are always the bad among the good. Like everything else in this world...

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PETA is against pet ownership, especially of reptiles. No way, nowhere, would I ever support a "group" like that.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16610757.htm

They got of easy. In case ya'll were curious.

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

that is not true

I know someone who runs a mink rescue and they are constantly being called out to mink farms because "PETA CRAZIES" let a ton of mink loose.
They do not catch them or do anything with the mink besides let them out.

Well That may be just true. But how are they rescued? Are they gettign into things? Orrr? How do they know its PETA's? releases? I guess its like a company they run things differently in different place.s WA PETA and many others is very great.

My friend finds tons of dead mink that starved once they were loose. The mink were born and raised in cages. You can't expect them to know how to hunt, protect themselves, ect.

I see. Well those might jsut be the newbies. They arent experts. They just do a lot of anti animal abuse. Like someone who just started to work at a petstore, they arent experts o those animals (most cases) and they may say and do stupid things.. But I believe atleast they were free and had a whide open space instead of in tight cages, and have a electric thing go up your anal to shock you to death :(

I even watched one of those PETA videos were the 'crazies' were letting them out of the cages and saw they did nothing but open the doors and then leave.

Hmm Havent seen any of those. Link plz :)
But Like I siad I would rathe rdie free then caged and all that evil crud :(



I am as much of a anti-cruelty/animal rights person as you'll find but I also know when you're crossing the line into being a 'crazy'

Agreed. But sometimes peopel turn crazy after fidning out how evil many people are..MOST people are to animals.. And you feel the animal and how it feels,a dn go crazy and only want whats best for them.

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Not trying to start a debate with all you anti PETA, I understand many of your views and opinions and accept them. But I am pro PETA and I relaly think many of you should watch.read and understand why both of them say and do the things they do. *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by JasonGranger

PETA is against pet ownership, especially of reptiles. No way, nowhere, would I ever support a "group" like that.

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They suppor tit because they believe animals should have a life free and all.. And that we shouldnt act and be the way we are. I for one think we shoudl all go to classes and learn about aimal behavior 101, and then abou the animal you want. Or required to read a good size book about the animal you get and then take a test and you pass,you get the animal :) I do and dont like the idea as animals as "pets" as you call it, or animals apart of our families..


someone has to do the dirty work when pet owners refuse to spay and neuter

it's sad that animals have to be euthanized but it's something that has to be done to control the over population

I'd rather a cat/dog be euthanized then live it's whole life in a shelter getting passed up for a cute kitten/puppy in the next kennel
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I agree. I also believe pets should be spayed and neutered.. er.. the ones that can be spayed and nweutered, should be.

http://www.peta.org/campaigns/barbaro.asp

*shakes head*

I've been around horses and race horses for most of my life. I will jump in and say that most if not all the race horses I've seen have always been kept in great conditions. You have to have a good horse who is "up to speed" and in great health to even be able to enter a race.


God forbid anyone rides a horse or race's it.
I guess I'm a horrible person because I use to show, jump, and barrel race.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

I'd rather a cat/dog be euthanized then live it's whole life in a shelter getting passed up for a cute kitten/puppy in the next kennel

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Indeed, a healthy diet and most have excersize programs and regular interaction with humans. Death is so much more appealing than that.

Strange logic.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

http://www.peta.org/campaigns/barbaro.asp

*shakes head*

I've been around horses and race horses for most of my life. I will jump in and say that most if not all the race horses I've seen have always been kept in great conditions. You have to have a good horse who is "up to speed" and in great health to even be able to enter a race.


God forbid anyone rides a horse or race's it.
I guess I'm a horrible person because I use to show, jump, and barrel race.

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No I think you must read thoroughly into it more. A horse thats bred to have more frail bones, and have a too large of frame and run at such speeds with such delicate legs, is a genetic mistake. And people should know that if you race such a horse, we should all know why it was hurt. That poor horse :(. Its the greed PETA is against. Breeding the horses, to something they shouldnt be, jut so people cna win and or make a littl emoney. Im not sure I have ever seen a naturally healthy race horse. Most alwyas seem frail and skinnier than other. Their large frames look malnourished. They dont feed fully to what the horse needs, jsut enough to make them fatser than fats and to have them still be healthy and "thin". And forcing an animal to do somethign its not meant to do and all, is what they're against. I dunno.. its hard for me to explain what I think they mean a lot of times. lol. But am always open to a discussion liek we are doing now. I think its great for both all of us. :)

it makes me very sad that people are being lied to. on this page:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial_Day9.cfm

it shows testimony of them taking a man's pet dog and 'finding it a better home'. they got a leash, took a picture of the dog in front of a nice house and sent it to the guy saying his dog was in a good home... and after the pic, they put it to sleep.

that is so wrong... i don't care who the organization is... that is wrong.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

Indeed, a healthy diet and most have excersize programs and regular interaction with humans. Death is so much more appealing than that.

Strange logic.

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Hmm not sure where your from. But even in WA where Im at, you may see the people walking them. But it makes you wonder.. hmm a 6x4 kennel al day, in the company of other mad barking dogs. Dogs arent meant to be kenneled most of the day. Also, with short amount of volunteers and people working there, dogs hardly have enough walks suitable for them... Death is much better for them then a life in a kennel, and being over populated by the ever increasing unwanted cats and dogs. AT the ANimal shelter near us, they rarely get walked or run. They have a small 20ft long x 10ft wide kennel, and go out there three times a day.. for 15mins.. yeah.. what a Halocaust IMO...
Dogs aremeant to run many many miles a day and all in the wild.. in cpativity, they dont get enough excersize as they would. And being caged isnt that fun. And regular interactions? R-ight. Surrounded by 30+ dogs, and only 10, MAYBE 10 people actually volunteering/working there to hndled, them.. the only interaction they get is form barking dogs, and MAYBE few people sticking their hands in the kennel to try and pet the poor thing... what fun...

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

it makes me very sad that people are being lied to. on this page:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/Trial_Day9.cfm

it shows testimony of them taking a man's pet dog and 'finding it a better home'. they got a leash, took a picture of the dog in front of a nice house and sent it to the guy saying his dog was in a good home... and after the pic, they put it to sleep.

that is so wrong... i don't care who the organization is... that is wrong.

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Wow if that is true. Those PETA people are horrible...But I dont like that site as I find many of it false.. cant really tell if its true or not. Thats sad though :( .

but isn't the point... that they are looking for a home for these dogs? it's not for them to live there for 15 years... but to find a 'forever loving' home.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

Hmm not sure where your from. But even in WA where Im at, you may see the people walking them. But it makes you wonder.. hmm a 6x4 kennel al day, in the company of other mad barking dogs. Dogs arent meant to be kenneled most of the day. Also, with short amount of volunteers and people working there, dogs hardly have enough walks suitable for them...

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Neither are people. Yet, oddly enough, prison inmates aren't jumping at the opportunity for a death sentence.

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Death is much better for them then a life in a kennel, and being over populated by the ever increasing unwanted cats and dogs. AT the ANimal shelter near us, they rarely get walked or run. They have a small 20ft long x 10ft wide kennel, and go out there three times a day.. for 15mins.. yeah.. what a Halocaust IMO...

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For starters, who exactly deemed PETA, or you, the final arbitrator of whether death or a certain lifestyle is better? If you were in prison would you want to die? They live in very similar conditions. Yet most of them would just as soon live.

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Dogs aremeant to run many many miles a day and all in the wild.. in cpativity, they dont get enough excersize as they would. And being caged isnt that fun. And regular interactions? R-ight. Surrounded by 30+ dogs, and only 10, MAYBE 10 people actually volunteering/working there to hndled, them.. the only interaction they get is form barking dogs, and MAYBE few people sticking their hands in the kennel to try and pet the poor thing... what fun...

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Dogs aren't wild animals... we have bred them to domestication. A dog wouldn't survive "in the wild" very long at all. When people throw their dogs in the street, do you often see them running for the forest? Nope.

And yes, they get fed daily and most animal shelters are very good at what they do, even with the limited funding and assistance. And if your shelter is having a lot of problems with volunteers, perhaps you should offer your assistance, instead of advocating we kill them all.

If you go to PeTA's website they tell you that they are against pet ownership, eating meat, drinking milk, eating honey, killing bugs, using leather, etc etc.. I do all of these things, why would I support them? If they had their way, there would be no captive ball pythons.. remember that.

On the note of race horses.. I own a former race horse. He is an old boy, and he's very healthy. His legs are not fragile.. I assure you.

here you go chester and teagan... someone else's take on the trial

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observe...n/16517856.htm

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

Neither are people. Yet, oddly enough, prison inmates aren't jumping at the opportunity for a death sentence.

You CANNOT compare prison inmates to the innocent. The people of the Halocaust were innocent and many of them after being there for even less then a year looked forward to death! Not a few yrs of torture. That you can compare if you compare humans and animals. Animal are innocent, and dont understand why they are born in misery and hurt and pain and death...

For starters, who exactly deemed PETA, or you, the final arbitrator of whether death or a certain lifestyle is better? If you were in prison would you want to die? They live in very similar conditions. Yet most of them would just as soon live.

Prison vs innocent is different... Guilty vs Innocent is different... They may be similar, but the conscience is different of the living being.

Dogs aren't wild animals... we have bred them to domestication. A dog wouldn't survive "in the wild" very long at all. When people throw their dogs in the street, do you often see them running for the forest? Nope.

A dog liek any other animal doesnt understand being born in cages. Its better to die then spend a liftime in misery and suffering and wondering "Why?"

And yes, they get fed daily and most animal shelters are very good at what they do, even with the limited funding and assistance. And if your shelter is having a lot of problems with volunteers, perhaps you should offer your assistance, instead of advocating we kill them all.

I have. But dont have time. I dont try and associate myself to animals that will either be put to death. I get very attached and I hurt emotionally and physically. I rehab wild animals. I volunteer and soon work at this Wildlife rescue. We raise aniamsl abck to health, then rehab them :)

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This is very interesting. Its good to learn what others opinion are on this subject. I for one think if people fixed their animals their wouldnt be so many animals on the streets. And then shelsters can be used for what they should be used, animals that are lost and waiting to be tooken to their homes :) THAT would be awesome :)

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

here you go chester and teagan... someone else's take on the trial

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observe...n/16517856.htm

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Thanks. Im going to read that :)

[QUOTE=Shelby]If you go to PeTA's website they tell you that they are against pet ownership, eating meat, drinking milk, eating honey, killing bugs, using leather, etc etc..

Anythign wrong with this? Go Peta :)

I do all of these things, why would I support them? If they had their way, there would be no captive ball pythons.. remember that.

If they had their way no animal would suffer(The GOOD peta who had their way that is).

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http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...1&postcount=37

i'm guessing the bold parts are your words c&t?

honestly, do you believe that the animals in shelters are tortured?

please... refrain from bringing in horrific events life the holocaust... i'm sure the people who survived it would be saddened to see you saying their experience was a like a dog in a animal shelter :colbert:

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If you go to PeTA's website they tell you that they are against pet ownership, eating meat, drinking milk, eating honey, killing bugs, using leather, etc etc..

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Anythign wrong with this? Go Peta :)

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there is nothing wrong with choosing to become vegan... but killing animals is not being vegan. the point of being vegan is to save the life of other living things.

and... if people choose to eat meat, that is their choice as well. no one should be 'forced' either way.

I just don't see why anyone here would want to support a group that would seek to end the reptile hobby...?

I don't have a problem with anyone else being vegan, just I would never want to do it myself, and can't support any group that wants to force that lifestyle on people.

Thanks. VERRRYYY INTERESTING.

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" Phil Hirschkop, a lawyer for PETA, said the group got complaints about horrible conditions in animal shelters. Emaciated dogs unable to move, lying in their own filth. Animals suffering through long, terrifying deaths in gas chambers. Animals being killed with a drug that caused their internal organs to seize up while they were still conscious,

PETA employees would clean and renovate shelters, hand out free doghouses to the poor, and take sick animals to the vet. They set up programs that allowed residents to get their animals spayed or neutered at no cost. And they began handling euthanizations at the shelters, Hirschkop said.

They used the same method that veterinarians use: an injection of sodium pentobarbitol that kills the animal almost instantly.


"PETA's choice is to allow those animals to be shot or gassed in a very cruel manner, or to euthanize them themselves and at least do it humanely," Hirschkop said.


By 2005, the PETA people were picking up so many animals that they didn't have room in their small van to carry them back to Norfolk alive. So Hinkle took them from the shelters one by one and euthanized them in the van, Hirschkop said.

Hirschkop said the pair dumped the animals because they had other stops to make and the animals often started to smell before they got back to Norfolk, where PETA has facilities for cremating animals."

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I believe that back at their Norkfolk, they would of either humanely euthanized them anyways. But it is wrong to just dump the bodies. :(
That just makes them look veeerrry bad. I mean they are anti against how hens eat their hen mates dead bodies and everything at farms, yet they would have dead animals in the van with life ones.. or did they? It didnt say. But evem if they euthanized the animals in th evans, they should've went straight to to Norkfolk, then went back to do their stops. Or call in for another PETA van. Lets home this will help them learn that next time, thy must think clearly. I mean.. If I was a officer or even a resitdent in that area and saw many cat and dog bodies suddently appears all over the place in trash cans and everything.. I would get woprried as well.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

You CANNOT compare prison inmates to the innocent. The people of the Halocaust were innocent and many of them after being there for even less then a year looked forward to death! Not a few yrs of torture. That you can compare if you compare humans and animals. Animal are innocent, and dont understand why they are born in misery and hurt and pain and death...

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That's a typical example of a Chewbacca defense. I said nothing of guilt or innocence. I only commented on will... and your Holocaust example is one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. Animal Shelters don't torture the animals that live there.

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Prison vs innocent is different... Guilty vs Innocent is different... They may be similar, but the conscience is different of the living being.

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You are all over the place. Guilt or innocence matters little in a conversation about the will to live.

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A dog liek any other animal doesnt understand being born in cages. Its better to die then spend a liftime in misery and suffering and wondering "Why?"

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Again, who exactly gave you the right to make that determination? And furthermore, an animal shelter does not condone misery or suffering... they are designed to prevent just that.

I for one believe hey, atleast Animal Labs arent getting the cats and dogs instead. In many places Labs arent allowed to breed their animals, so they must get them from shleters and all. And many of them shelters who cant find the animals a home, they decide to hand the animals over to the Labs. But then again. If your pro Animal research then you'd think thats great if not you'd think thats a plus for the animals and bette rbe euthanized then in a Lab and all. Hey thanks for the article :)

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

That's a typical example of a Chewbacca defense. I said nothing of guilt or innocence. I only commented on will... and your Holocaust example is one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. Animal Shelters don't torture the animals that live there.

Oh not torture. Perhaps not torture physically. but being locked up most of the day, is mental and spirit torture, which I believe is far worse then physical pain. Sorry if th eanalogy was one of the worst, but I also thought yours with the "prison inmates" and all was the worst I always hear. Then again we have different Opinions on this.

You are all over the place. Guilt or innocence matters little in a conversation about the will to live.


I dont care about the guilty. If they want death bring it, if they want to live, oh well. But the innocent dont diserve being caged is what I was getting at. I for one, if I had life sentence and was innocent, and in solitary confinement, boxed in almost 24/7 then death sounds like a mercy.

Again, who exactly gave you the right to make that determination? And furthermore, an animal shelter does not condone misery or suffering... they are designed to prevent just that.

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Who gave me the right? Well my will power and freedom of speech and freedom of thoughts and being different did.

Yes designed to prevent it, but even animal hoarder are like that. You start out taking in animals and soon you do littl eneglect which for the animals can be psycilogical abuse and spirit abuse. They may prevent physical abuse, but mental and spirit? I dont think so.

I just have one thing to say about shelters and rescue groups. Some DO exercise thier animals and provide excellent care.

I have two examples.

Richmond Animal League. As far as I can see, all of thier animals are healthy. They are provided with nutritious food in the right amount. Not too much, not too little. Each dog is assigned its own kennel, a smaller front side and longer back side. They can retreat to the back side if things get a little crazy in the front. They are provided with toys, treats, blankets, and the kennel is washed out all the time. Each dog is taken on a walk at least once a day, and basic obedience training is used while on the little walk. When the weather permits, the dogs are allowed out into a spacious backyard. They are assigned groups so that dogs that have conficts with each other will not be running without a leash with each other, as this could lead to fights. All dogs are socialized and given wonderful vet care.

Richmond SPCA

A wonderful shelter and I swear, its so nice, I'd send my dogs there for a vacation. LOL. The entire shelter is kept very clean. And older dogs are hardly looked over in favor of a new puppy, as they don't have many puppies there. Thier animals are given excellent vet care and volunteers, as far as I've seen, give the animals love and attention. Not the mention, there are constantly people in there playing with the cats and dogs. We recently had to surrender two kittens to the SPCA because my fiance's cat had four kittens. (we adopted one out ourselves, and kept one) and the SPCA was more than happy to have my fiance's mother come down and interact with the kittens whenever she wanted and gave us a phone call the day each kitten was adopted.

Please do not think that all shelters are a horrible place. Sometimes the shelters are in fact a better situation than the animal came from. I would rather an animal at least be given a chance at life than snuffing it out just because "it might not get adopted" or "the dog doesn't get everything it needs". These people are trying thier hardest to find these animals new homes and are doing the best they can. Most of the time, the places are run only by volunteers, so these people are doing this great service free of charge and are using up thier own time to do this.

I for one LOVE no kill animal shelters. But with the over demanding unwanted pets daily. Many switch their ways to euthanizing :( Its sad. I dont think all shelters are bad. I for one like the ones that actually foster out animals. And Dont prejudge an animal because of their breed, or anything. Those shelters are the ones I love. :) I believe animals shoudl be given a chance to find homes. Like aggressive, or shy dogs should be fostered to bring out their inner beauty their friendly, huamn companion animal dog people love to see, before being stuck in a kennel with people looking at you. but sometimes thats not how things are :(

Oh and on a side-note. RAL fosters out animals. I for one would love to foster a dog or cat, but my grandmother has told me each time I bring it up. "NO!" so I have to let that rest and just volunteer. But, RAL is always actively looking for foster homes so that these animals are not always in a kennel. Also, cats are not kept in kennels all day. There is a cat room where the cats roam free within the confines of the room, are given plenty of toys to play with and are exersized by volunteers everyday. And those cats who are in cages at the front of the building, are given periods of time during the day where they can roam free as well.

That indeed sound slike a great Animal shelter. If ALL shelters wer elike that. I believe we wouldnt have animal Labs trying to tak ein any unwanted cat or dog, or PETA wanting to rescue and euthanize them.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

In many places Labs arent allowed to breed their animals, so they must get them from shleters and all.

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They would be allowed to breed their animals if it were'nt for the actions of animal terrorists like PETA.

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Originally Posted by jotay

In the early 80's I owned a business and I did send a fair amount of money their way especially during the monkee incident out at NIH. But I soon realized they where a bit to far to the "left" for me when it came down to house pets etc.
It is to bad because some of the work they do is needed very much so.

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I've commented on the siliver springs case before.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...1&postcount=20

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...7&postcount=56

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...0&postcount=23

The threads are http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=40989

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=38417