Blue or Black Eyed Luescistic(sp?)

Alright so I have been doing a little bit of reading. I want to produce a blue eyed or a black eyed lucy or a couple of them at that. Now I have read all of the different logs and all of the posts about breeding . I am going to get 1.1 mojaves either this spring or summer. I also want to get a couple of other morphs. I want to have a nice collection with some of the rarer bp's in it. I havent found what my chances are to get a blue/black eyed lucy out of a clutch and I was wondering how many I could possibly get? All of this is going to take 2-3 for me to grow my mojaves into breeding size but i wanted to find out.

Breeding two mojaves (or other combos that can produce BELs) together is essentially breeding two het leucys together. Each egg has a 25% chance of being a BEL, and 50% chance of being a mojave etc., and a 25% chance of being normal.

-Evan

Thank you that is what I needed to know.

Also...the only way to produce a black eyed lucy is fire x fire...

Has a fire x a mojave or fire x lesser been done yet though?

Oh smack... I don't know :P

Mmmmmmm fire x lesser... that would just be disappointing if it didn't throw something cool.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

Mmmmmmm fire x lesser...

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That would be one super clean lesser :gj:

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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison

Breeding two mojaves (or other combos that can produce BELs) together is essentially breeding two het leucys together. Each egg has a 25% chance of being a BEL, and 50% chance of being a mojave etc., and a 25% chance of being normal.

-Evan

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Right on!

Although most will agree the super mojave is the dirtiest of all the BELs. With prices coming down, you are better off saving up and going lesser x lesser to get yourself a nice clean white snake with no head smudging or dorsal stripe

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Originally Posted by jglass38

lesser x lesser to get yourself a nice clean white snake with no head smudging or dorsal stripe

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:rockon:

Such a nice snake :clap:

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Originally Posted by cueball

:rockon:

Such a nice snake :clap:

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We know you like the Black Eyed Leucy better :)

Cue's the firestarter!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

We know you like the Black Eyed Leucy better :)

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I still really like lesser x lesser though :oops:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Cue's the firestarter!

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Yeah, that reminds me! Did you ever get that small fire put out?? :devilish:

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Originally Posted by cueball

Yeah, that reminds me! Did you ever get that small fire put out?? :devilish:

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Cruex baby. Stay away from Burger King drive thrus. :eek:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Cruex baby. Stay away from Burger King drive thrus. :eek:

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Sorry..that is what big W pays me to do :cool:

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Originally Posted by cueball

That would be one super clean lesser :gj:

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Sounds probable, but has it been done and verified?

Furthermore if it was super clean white would it have black eyes or blue eyes.....:eyepoppin.....that's the question I'd like to know.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

would it have black eyes or blue eyes

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Grey :cool:

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Sounds probable, but has it been done and verified?

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If it has, someone, somewhere should know! :D :sweeet: :carrot:

-adam

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Originally Posted by cueball

Grey :cool:

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Take those shades off so I can believe you.

My vote goes to the blue eyed lucys, I have to get a lesser!!!

Snake Keeper did it a while back:

http://ballpython.com/page.php?morph...&Result_Set=15

about half way down the page...

I guess I'd have to decide by which I liked better... lessers or mojaves... wait.. that doesn't help in the least.. I love BOTH.. but then I've seen the SUPER HOT Lesser Bee! Sigh.. planning on what to get next consumes me...
Wolfy

the blue eyes just plain rock! a while back i looked at the mojave and lesser combos and crosses, the lesser won for me hands down. the lesser bee, kingpin, lesser woma, pastel lesser, the platty, and the BEL all rock!!

for BEL's i think the lesser is brighter and cleaner than the mojaves!, imo. :D


vaughn

Does the black eyed leucy have the same clean white that lesser x lesser BEL's have?

here's what rdr's site says about the black eyed lucies.


http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma..._black_eye.asp

i'm sure ralph has looked at alot more lucies than i.


hey cue, give us the skinny on black eyes!


vaughn

I was just holding some adult super lessers this morning and they stay 100% pure white into adulthood ... they are AMAZING!!! ... A couple racks down, there were adult lucys from other lines that just didn't hold a candle to them. But this is just my opinion of course ... the cool thing about ball pythons is that there is literally something for everyone! :D

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I was just holding some adult super lessers this morning and they stay 100% pure white into adulthood ... they are AMAZING!!! ... A couple racks down, there were adult lucys from other lines that just didn't hold a candle to them. But this is just my opinion of course ... the cool thing about ball pythons is that there is literally something for everyone! :D

-adam

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if i can only get my hand on one of these!!!

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Originally Posted by kavmon

hey cue, give us the skinny on black eyes!


vaughn

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The fire BlackEL is soft white. The lesser BlueEL is hard white. Both are super clean white though. If that makes sense :confused:

The fire BlackEL sometimes has some random yellow scales that usually turn white over time. This seems to happen to ~20% of them.

Here is a fire BlackEL :gj:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../DSCN07921.jpg

Sa-wheeeat! :sunny:

Let me help you spell LEUCISTIC. ;)

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Eclark your Sa-wheeeat! :sunny:

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Originally Posted by cueball

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../DSCN07921.jpg

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Whose is that?

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Originally Posted by JasonGranger

Whose is that?

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Produced by Mike Wilbanks :gj:

(Constrictors Unlimited, right?)

I sure do like black eyeds...

Last year Mike was selling the black eyed lucy for $100,000. I'll take three LOL

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Originally Posted by JasonGranger

(Constrictors Unlimited, right?)

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Yes www.constrictors.com

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I sure do like black eyeds...

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As do I :evileye:

"Eclark your Sa-wheeeat! :sunny:"


And to think... I ALMOST missed that!!! :8:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I was just holding some adult super lessers this morning and they stay 100% pure white into adulthood ... they are AMAZING!!! ... A couple racks down, there were adult lucys from other lines that just didn't hold a candle to them. But this is just my opinion of course ... the cool thing about ball pythons is that there is literally something for everyone! :D

-adam

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I agree with Adam (Duh!) that it is really what you like - "there is literally something for everyone!" I personnally like the super lesser because I like the high white. That is, until I'm holding a Fire super and the creamy white blows me away.

One of these days I hope to have some of each in my collection. :sunny:

Alice

What's a lesser going for nowadays. Thats gonna be my next snake (I hope). Also has any confirmed if the butters and lessers are compatable?

It appears that Butters and Lessers are compatible. Butters are on the same line as the Platinum complex and will produce white snakes when bred to a Lesser and Mojave. I am still waiting to see the picture of the super Butter which is a white snake.


Brock

I also have my eyes set on a lesser in the future.

I LOVE the BlackEL's. The red pupil blows me away!! Not to mention the almost translucent scales that turn white!!:O And I love there hets, a natural acurring hypo, Co-dom to boot. Black eyed deffanatly places first in my white snake book.:gj:

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

What's a lesser going for nowadays.

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Raul, you can find grade "A" Lessers from $2500-$2000 all over from small private hobbyist to large breeders like Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks. Then you have others still asking $6500 for similar Lessers! Shop around brotha!!! Shop around!! ;) :sweeet:

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Raul, you can find grade "A" Lessers from $2500-$2000 all over from small private hobbyist to large breeders like Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks. Then you have others still asking $6500 for similar Lessers! Shop around brotha!!! Shop around!! ;) :sweeet:

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Steven,

No one is still selling lessers for $6500 ... once again, you are posting without having any clue as to what you're talking about.

-adam

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Raul, you can find grade "A" Lessers from $2500-$2000 all over from small private hobbyist to large breeders like Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks. Then you have others still asking $6500 for similar Lessers! Shop around brotha!!! Shop around!! ;) :sweeet:

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Thanks Djslurp :rockon: !!!!!!! I will be looking into one next spring after I hatch out my snakes and dragons and start looking onto my next projects. I argree they are the cleaner BEL's and the combos are also amazing. Has anyone produced a BEL with another morph blended in? Like a lesser bee to lesser cross? Will the spider part show up in the super lesser. I'm also real curious what a cinamon x lesser would look like. Would it be pewter like? These are some plans I have for a lesser and don't know if they have been produced yet?

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Thanks Djslurp :rockon: !!!!!!! I will be looking into one next spring after I hatch out my snakes and dragons and start looking onto my next projects. I argree they are the cleaner BEL's and the combos are also amazing. Has anyone produced a BEL with another morph blended in? Like a lesser bee to lesser cross? Will the spider part show up in the super lesser. I'm also real curious what a cinamon x lesser would look like. Would it be pewter like? These are some plans I have for a lesser and don't know if they have been produced yet?

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NERD did!! They made a lesser bee. I might be able to find a picture.

Here is a picture.
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/im...lesser_bee.jpg

Cortesy of Ralph Davis.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

NERD did!! They made a lesser bee. I might be able to find a picture.

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So Nerd made a super lesser bee?

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

So Nerd made a super lesser bee?

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I dont know. Lesser bee they did produce.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

NERD did!! They made a lesser bee. I might be able to find a picture.

Here is a picture.
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/im...lesser_bee.jpg

Cortesy of Ralph Davis.

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those are some awesome looking snakes.

I love the SEARCH FUNCTION...

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ghlight=Lesser

I split and moved this thread back into the BP Morph forum. I am almost positive that I got rid of the 'bad' part of the thread, but if I missed something just let me know. If anymore trouble breaks out it will be closed and gone forever.

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!

I wonder what would happen if both the blue eyed and black eyed trait showed up in the same animal....(aka. a homozygous blue eyed lucy AND a homozygous black eyed lucy all rolled into one animal).....what color would it's eyes be?

LOL.....where is Mendel with some of that eye genetics info that I need ;) Got this back up for you pal :D

Good move, Daniel. I actually went in to do the same thing...and saw you working on it already. Let's just keep the discussion focused on genetics and not prices.....okie dokie?

Thanks again Dan.

I dont know the answer to your question though.