A few mite questions

I found out i have mites. I have 2 snakes. How should i deal with this? I hear of prevent a mite. Also ive read about using ivermectin i have a bottle of ivermectin that i use to prevent heartworms on my dog. Its the kind for cattle. Can i use this? I hear 1cc to 1 quart water? Anyone else have ways they deal with this?

Provent a mite ... I've seen people that don't know what they're doing with homemade mixtures kill snakes ... unless you have a good amount of experience, provent -a- mite is probably going to be the safest thing.

-adam

Also Tony do a search on Mites, theres a couple of threads around

Cool thanks ive been reading a few threads was more or less wondering about the ivermectin. I have a whole bottle of 1% solution. You know anywhere in this area that i can buy it adam?

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Also Tony do a search on Mites, theres a couple of threads around

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Cool thanks ive been reading a few threads was more or less wondering about the ivermectin. I have a whole bottle of 1% solution. You know anywhere in this area that i can buy it adam?

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Give Larry a call ... 410-526-4184.

-adam

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Cool thanks ive been reading a few threads was more or less wondering about the ivermectin. I have a whole bottle of 1% solution. You know anywhere in this area that i can buy it adam?

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I would not recommend the use a homemade brew either, as the main ingredients are often products that have not been tested for use with reptiles and that could cause nervous disorders and/or death.

This is where I buy Provent-A-Mite http://entirelypets.stores.yahoo.net/proventamite.html

Also you can check pet store specialized in reptiles they might have it.

Just called him. He wanted me to ask you to grab it while your there and i can get it when i see you tomorow night is that ok?

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Give Larry a call ... 410-526-4184.

-adam

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Just called him. He wanted me to ask you to grab it while your there and i can get it when i see you tomorow night is that ok?

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Give me a call when you get a chance ... 301-922-4959

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Give Larry a call ... 410-526-4184.

-adam

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I give that two thumbs up!

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Give me a call when you get a chance ... 301-922-4959

-adam

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Wow, you just give your number out? I'm planning on making some heavy breathing calls...

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I give that two thumbs up!

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Someone came up a little short with that one ... must have been a unreally hairy situation.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Someone came up a little short with that one ... must have been a unreally hairy situation.

-adam

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I bet...Sometimes people need a leg up...

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I bet...Sometimes people need a leg up...

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Don't you mean someone to hold both legs? Right Adam? ;)

I say go with the home brews, has always worked for me.

1 oz. Nix to 3/4 gallon water, shake and make.
soak for 12 minutes. and any mites will be dead for sure. :)

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I say go with the home brews, has always worked for me.

1 oz. Nix to 3/4 gallon water, shake and make.
soak for 12 minutes. and any mites will be dead for sure. :)

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You've probably been doing that for a while...while someone with no experience with homebrews could kill their snake.

FWIW...I took the advice of an oldschool herper and whipped up a homebrew some time ago...all I got out of it was one dead snake and one that barely survived.

With provent-a-mite readily available and at less than $30 a can.......telling a new keeper to whip up a homebrew probably isn't the best idea IMO...

This home brew came from A Virginia Boy and has served me well over the years. ;)

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

You've probably been doing that for a while...while someone with no experience with homebrews could kill their snake.

FWIW...I took the advice of an oldschool herper and whipped up a homebrew some time ago...all I got out of it was one dead snake and one that barely survived.

With provent-a-mite readily available and at less than $30 a can.......telling a new keeper to whip up a homebrew probably isn't the best idea IMO...

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PROVENT-A-MITE is the only way. :carrot:

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Don't you mean someone to hold both legs? Right Adam? ;)

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LMAO!!! ... Wouldn't know, I like them pushed up ... holding them is for ... well ... well, it's just not my style. ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

This home brew came from A Virginia Boy and has served me well over the years. ;)

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You mean "THE" virginia boy? Don't play him in pool, he'll run the table on ya and laugh as he takes your money. :rofl:

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

LMAO!!! ... Wouldn't know, I like them pushed up ... holding them is for ... well ... well, it's just not my style. ;)

-adam

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I almost just choked on my water...Hilarious!

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I almost just choked on my water...Hilarious!

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That was an old one too...I was thinking all I'd hear was crickets...

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I almost just choked on my water...Hilarious!

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Do you think they'll let us back into that restaurant again? Maybe at a table far away from everyone else? :O

-adam

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

That was an old one too...I was thinking all I'd hear was crickets...

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No way dude, I think that just might be the inside pull of the day! and one of my favorite topics on the planet actually! ;)

So is Lindsay letting you roll on Saturday or what? Vaughn keeps telling me that you're puppy whipped ... I can't believe that. :O

-adam

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No way dude, I think that just might be the inside pull of the day! and one of my favorite topics on the planet actually! ;)

So is Lindsay letting you roll on Saturday or what? Vaughn keeps telling me that you're puppy whipped ... I can't believe that. :O

-adam

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Bam...Its almost like puppy, just not...Maybe you could just let Lindsay come up alone... :D

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Bam...Its almost like puppy, just not...Maybe you could just let Lindsay come up alone... :D

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Good idea pigeon jerky! ... I'll track down the waitress from that bar we had lunch in ... perfect!!! :D :twisted:

-adam

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Good idea pigeon jerky! ... I'll track down the waitress from that bar we had lunch in ... perfect!!! :D :twisted:

-adam

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I prefer to be called Ostrich Jerky..Pigeons are so dirty...I like that waitress

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I prefer to be called Ostrich Jerky.

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No problem apricot tea. ;)

-adam

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Good idea pigeon jerky! ... I'll track down the waitress from that bar we had lunch in ... perfect!!! :D :twisted:

-adam

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I'll never forget those shorts.

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I'll never forget those shorts.

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What human being could? :D

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

What human being could? :D

-adam

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I can think of one...I hear drinking some herbal teas in excess can cause a lack of "dexterity."

Here's some great threads on the same topic... there from another forum but still...some good info!

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I can think of one...I hear drinking some herbal teas in excess can cause a lack of "dexterity."

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Well that and wearing yourself out watching 24 and playing Xbox ... I see your point. :sweeet:

-adam

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Here's some great threads on the same topic... there from another forum but still...some good info!

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Straight from the site rules ...

"external links While we do allow linking to other sources, please do so only if the information is not already available here at BPNet and only for the purposes of promoting reasonable and appropriate discussion."

Lots of threads on this very site about Provent -a- Mite and mite treatments, I think your post might be a violation of the sites rules?

-adam

Well it won't allow me to edit the post so I'll go ahead and sum things up...


pam is like $20 a can and the eqate bedding spray is only $4 a can..equate and pam are have the same ingredients so your basicly getting thee same product alot cheaper..you can get equate bedding spray at almost every walmart...

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

pam is like $20 a can and the eqate bedding spray is only $4 a can..equate and pam are have the same ingredients so your basicly getting thee same product alot cheaper..you can get equate bedding spray at almost every walmart...

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Not trying be mean or start drama...but you don't know what you're talking about.

While that Equate stuff and PAM might be permethrin-based insecticides...there are so many different types of permethrins out there...some are relatively safe for reptiles when used properly and others are deadly.

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Not trying be mean or start drama...but you don't know what you're talking about.

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I actually do... when used properly it's fine...

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I actually do... when used properly it's fine...

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Can you elaborate? I'm sure that sharing your vast experience with ball pythons and their parasites would be educational to all of us.

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I actually do... when used properly it's fine...

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And when the margin of error between being mixed properly and being mixed into something that is dangerous to your animals is as minute as it is in this case, it's not something that should be advocated as a mite remedy for beginners in my opinion ... and I'm quite positive that I know what I'm talking about ... I've gotten enough phone calls in the middle of the night from ball python owners who's snakes were writhing around on their backs after being sprayed with homemade permethrin solutions to always recommend PAM unless the person has a ton of experience.

It never ceases to amaze me how for some people a few dollars is enough to want them to take short cuts and risk the health and life of a living creature.

-adam

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Can you elaborate? I'm sure that sharing your vast experience with ball pythons and their parasites would be educational to all of us.

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I have only had mites one time... I used Pam for that one time and it worked great but recently I have talked to a few differen't breeders and they have told me not to waste the money because it works just as good for literally a tenth of the price. It's the same exact thing, except one is called PAM and cost $20.00 and one is called Equate and cost $3.00!

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And when the margin of error between being mixed properly and being mixed into something that is dangerous to your animals is as minute as it is in this case, it's not something that should be advocated as a mite remedy for beginners in my opinion ... and I'm quite positive that I know what I'm talking about ... I've gotten enough phone calls in the middle of the night from ball python owners who's snakes were writhing around on their backs after being sprayed with homemade permethrin solutions to always recommend PAM unless the person has a ton of experience.

It never ceases to amaze me how for some people a few dollars is enough to want them to take short cuts and risk the health and life of a living creature.

-adam

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Adam, it's not about taking shortcuts or even mixing solutions. I'm talking about going to walmart and paying 3 dollars for the same can that you recommend that people buy that cost $20.

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Guys, I don't feel like a drawn out argument over this. I simply posted that there are alternatives to PAM, I’ll use Equate as a cheaper version of PAM, used exactly like PAM. I do not doubt that their are similar products out there that are unsafe, especially when misused as is PAM itself is misused. I am not pushing any specific product, all I am posting is an alternative as Ed Clark did with Nix. Which is also a good treatment as I've read if used properly.



No need to get personal or offensive, anyone interested can search countless threads on PAM, Equate and other Mite treatments and preventions.



Have a nice day!

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I have only had mites one time... I used Pam for that one time and it worked great but recently I have talked to a few differen't breeders and they have told me not to waste the money because it works just as good for literally a tenth of the price. It's the same exact thing, except one is called PAM and cost $20.00 and one is called Equate and cost $3.00!

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So you've never actually used the home remedy that you are advocating?

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Adam, it's not about taking shortcuts or even mixing solutions. I'm talking about going to walmart and paying 3 dollars for the same can that you recommend that people buy that cost $20.

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That's a lie ... they are not the same thing ... Provent a mite is federally approved by the FDA for treating snake mites ... the other is a lice/flea treatment approved by the FDA for that purpose ... using equate to treat mites on snakes is actually a violation of federal law (look it up).

But here's the real kicker ... I have 500+ animals and a can of provent a mite lasts me well over a year. When you're a "flipper" or a breeder that is constantly moving animals in and out of your collection and taking animals to and from shows, you're risk for mites is HUGE and you have to spray spray spray every day ... OF COURSE those guys are looking for "cheap" outs ... they probably use a can a weekend ... For a small time hobbyist like yourself with a couple of animals, what's the big deal ... a can of PAM will probably last you 5 years?? Are you telling me that the difference of $15 for a federally approved and tested product that is 100% safe for your animal spread out over 5 years isn't worth it?

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

That's a lie ... they are not the same thing ... Provent a mite is federally approved by the FDA for treating snake mites ... the other is a lice/flea treatment approved by the FDA for that purpose ... using equate to treat mites on snakes is actually a violation of federal law (look it up).

But here's the real kicker ... I have 500+ animals and a can of provent a mite lasts me well over a year. When you're a "flipper" or a breeder that is constantly moving animals in and out of your collection and taking animals to and from shows, you're risk for mites is HUGE and you have to spray spray spray every day ... OF COURSE those guys are looking for "cheap" outs ... they probably use a can a weekend ... For a small time hobbyist like yourself with a couple of animals, what's the big deal ... a can of PAM will probably last you 5 years?? Are you telling me that the difference of $15 for a federally approved and tested product that is 100% safe for your animal spread out over 5 years isn't worth it?

-adam

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Can we all stop looking for shortcuts when it comes to our animal's care? Would you take chances like that with your baby? Lets see, Gerber baby food or Scurvy Sam's brand that was made in his moldy/mildewed basement by hand between rounds of nose picking and ass scratching?

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Lets see, Gerber baby food or Scurvy Sam's brand that was made in his moldy/mildewed basement by hand between rounds of nose picking and ass scratching?

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Beautiful!! :D LMAO

It's a can, exactly the same as PAM, exactly the same size as PAM, you could paint a can of PAM black and a can of Equate Black and have them analyzed and they are the same stuff!! But pam is marketed for snakes.

Nix is a powder and requires mixing, Equate is EXACTLY like PAM and used the same manor! Same instructions! If you misuse PAM you can kill your snakes too!!

Same for sterilite tubs, were these marketed for keeping snakes? I can go on Reptiletubs.com and buy $10.00 tubs or I can buy at Wal-Mart for $2.00!

It's not about a short cut or being cheap, it's why the heck should anyone pay more for the same stuff!! It's like one McDonald's sells a Big Mac for $5.00 and the McDonald's next to it sells the same hamburger called a Big Mack for $1.00, which would you go to? Does that make you cheap or is another word for it SMART!!

I'm not going to go into it anymore...just giving a cheaper alternative to the same product. ;)

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It's a can, exactly the same as PAM, exactly the same size as PAM, you could paint a can of PAM black and a can of Equate Black and have them analyzed and they are the same stuff!! But pam is marketed for snakes.

Nix is a powder and requires mixing, Equate is EXACTLY like PAM and used the same manor! Same instructions! If you misuse PAM you can kill your snakes too!!

Same for sterilite tubs, were these marketed for keeping snakes? I can go on Reptiletubs.com and buy $10.00 tubs or I can buy at Wal-Mart for $2.00!

It's not about a short cut or being cheap, it's why the heck should anyone pay more for the same stuff!! It's like one McDonald's sells a Big Mac for $5.00 and the McDonald's next to it sells the same hamburger called a Big Mack for $1.00, which would you go to? Does that make you cheap or is another word for it SMART!!

I'm not going to go into it anymore...just giving a cheaper alternative to the same product. ;)

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Do you believe everything you read? Provent a mite has been FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles. Therefore it has been put through testing to determine the actual ingredients. As we all know, manufacturers have been known to be less than accurate about the quality of ingredients used in their products. You say its the same and it may very well be. However, it has not been put through the rigorous testing to prove it. You have become quite an expert in a short time with very little experience. Very impressive! :eek:

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Do you believe everything you read? Provent a mite has been FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles. Therefore it has been put through testing to determine the actual ingredients. As we all know, manufacturers have been known to be less than accurate about the quality of ingredients used in their products. You say its the same and it may very well be. However, it has not been put through the rigorous testing to prove it. You have become quite an expert in a short time with very little experience. Very impressive! :eek:

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I'm not claiming to be an expert at all...I've just done my homework. Your right provent a mite is FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles...probably because it's marketed as a reptile treatment...I'm sure that Equate would pass FDA just as well...but why would they try to? when it's marketed for humans...it's the same stuff.

Here's another testimonial about it...

from... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/n...reply&p=423701

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I use Equate Bedding Spray for Lice Treatment that can be found at any Walmart.....works just as well as PAM, but only a fraction of the price tag.

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I'm not claiming to be an expert at all...I've just done my homework. Your right provent a mite is FDA approved for the treatment of mites in reptiles...probably because it's marketed as a reptile treatment...I'm sure that Equate would pass FDA just as well...but why would they try to? when it's marketed for humans...it's the same stuff.

Here's another testimonial about it...

from... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/n...reply&p=423701

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You could have a testimonial from the pope and it wouldn't change the facts. But you go ahead and save a few bucks. As Adam mentioned, with over 500 snakes a can of PAM lasts him over a year.

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You could have a testimonial from the pope and it wouldn't change the facts. But you go ahead and save a few bucks. As Adam mentioned, with over 500 snakes a can of PAM lasts him over a year.

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So would a can of equate! For $17 less.

There are 100's of testimonials of people who've used Equate as PAM with great success all over on other forums. The same way Ed Clark and others have had success with Nix when used properly. Can you harm or kill your snakes if misused, YES. Can you very easily kill your snake with PAM if misused (even though it states for Reptiles)...YES!

Guys, I'm not arguing here. Use PAM if you want to pay $20.00, it's a great product used by many many people in the hobby. If you want the same effect with the same usage as PAM, others have used Equate as an alternative for $4.00 purchased at any Wal-Mart. If you prefer another method and don't mind the mixing, Nix is also another alternative used by many as well as stated by Ed. I personally prefer a spray like PAM or Equate rather than Nix, but I am not harassing those who use Nix.

To each his own!


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So would a can of equate! For $17 less.

There are 100's of testimonials of people who've used Equate as PAM with great success all over on other forums. The same way Ed Clark and others have had success with Nix when used properly. Can you harm or kill your snakes if misused, YES. Can you very easily kill your snake with PAM if misused (even though it states for Reptiles)...YES!

Guys, I'm not arguing here. Use PAM if you want to pay $20.00, it's a great product used by many many people in the hobby. If you want the same effect with the same usage as PAM, others have used Equate as an alternative for $4.00 purchased at any Wal-Mart. If you prefer another method and don't mind the mixing, Nix is also another alternative used by many as well as stated by Ed. I personally prefer a spray like PAM or Equate rather than Nix, but I am not harassing those who use Nix.

To each his own!


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