new to breeding

well i had 2 4 foot long ball pythons givin to me come to find out there both males so i took them to the trade center where i have a friend that is a breeder an traded the smaller of the 2 for a female an now have the big male an a female that he said was a breeder but she has never been so far so i would like to ive seen them try to lock an i just got her 2 days ago an he told me she was in prime for breeding any tips or any help would be nice i also picked up a male an female white spot gecko an have had a female so i now have 2 females an a male an lookin forward to have babys for the snakes an the geckos but i need more info on all of the breeding im im lookin at every thing i can to find out more

Wow, that hurt my brain. Remember kids... punctuation is your friend.

From what I gather, you exchanged one of your males for a female and immediately placed them together in order to get them to breed? First off, it's considered very poor practice to place snakes together before an adequate quarantine period. The new snake may have infected your existing male with a host of different illnesses or parasites.

Now about breeding... perhaps if you described their current conditions and asked specific questions regarding breeding we could assist you more.

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well i had 2 4 foot long ball pythons givin to me come to find out there both males so i took them to the trade center where i have a friend that is a breeder an traded the smaller of the 2 for a female an now have the big male an a female that he said was a breeder but she has never been so far so i would like to ive seen them try to lock an i just got her 2 days ago an he told me she was in prime for breeding any tips or any help would be nice i also picked up a male an female white spot gecko an have had a female so i now have 2 females an a male an lookin forward to have babys for the snakes an the geckos but i need more info on all of the breeding im im lookin at every thing i can to find out more

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First quarantine 30 to 60 days before even thinking of breeding then lot of reading; there is plenty of good info out there if you look for them.


And of course ask yourself those questions?


Are you prepared to breed?

Are your BP proper weight to breed?

Have you thought about incubation? (You gonna buy an incubator, build it?)

Can you provide proper individual housing for hatchling?

How you prepare to breed rodents to start hatchling on live?

Are you prepare financially to provide for several additional BP for an undetermined amount of time?

well i have a 60 gal tank, screan top with a 100 or a 150 wat sun glow light and i use the the cocanut bark for the bedding an i have kind of like a dog dish for water

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well i have a 60 gal tank, screan top with a 100 or a 150 wat sun glow light and i use the the cocanut bark for the bedding an i have kind of like a dog dish for water

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What are the temps? How are you measuring the temps? Do they have any hides? Do you have two cages for your snakes, or are they kept in the same cage constantly? Are you planning on artificial incubation or maternal incubation?

First maybe you should check out the care sheet for ball pythons and check out setting up their tank properly. There are many good posts here. Use the search field for the tank set up and the caresheet is listed in the caresheet forum.
Are you planning on housing these snakes together? That is a big NO NO:colbert:
Welcome to the forum and take advantage of all of the great and experienced keepers and their posts.:)

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well i have a 60 gal tank, screan top with a 100 or a 150 wat sun glow light and i use the the cocanut bark for the bedding an i have kind of like a dog dish for water

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Sun Bulb? Why?


Don't tell me you BP are house together? Because if they are the first thing you need to do is to provide proper husbandry for each individual, before thinking about breeding. BP are solitary animals and should not be housed together and you also need to quarantine new snakes.


1 Snake = 1 Enclosure (30 gallons tank is sufficient) = 1 UTH = 2 Tight Hides = 1 Thermostat = 1 Water Dish = 1 Thermometer / Hydrometer


Here is where you need to start http://www.ball-pythons.net/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&id=59

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32800


Once you can keep both BP successfully in separate enclosure and provide them with proper husbandry you can re-think the breeding question.

well im not stupid i picked up the female from a friend at the trade center and i have known him for about three years as for i know he is a good breeder and takes care of all of his pets an he wouldnt give me or at that even try to sell a pet that has anything what so ever wrong with it.
now with that in mind it is a 60 gal tank with one water dish screen top an coco bark because i cant find the repta bark any more witch i liked because it holds water better and its much better to me for keeping the humidity around the right % , now that has been said i keep temps about 90f with the humidity at 40-60 and i have a Thermometer / Hydrometer that is a manual gage an i have been keeping an eye on it tryin to get the humidity right if it drops to 40% i add more water to the bedding an wait about half hour an look at it if its around 50% then im happy, when i was bringing the snakes home i only had one bag to bring them in so there for they had to be in the same bag an when i was taking them out they where locked and I didn't want to bother them so i left them an picked them both up an put them in the tank ,the next day there back at it she moved around the tank alot and after the 2nd lock shes been laying in a ball on the cool side of the tank and i have been told many times there no need for hides and if u didnt know when i first got both males they where in poor everything havent been fed in who knows how long no water an 2 shed skins in the tank along with poo every where so i cleaned the tank put new bedding in it got a light for the tank for god sakes there was no heat on it at all and it was in the 60s out side an fed them both 2 small rats an brought them back to health in a about a month or two so if all of u want to dog me for leting the male and female do there thing and not take them apart then i dont know what to say to that other then have a nice day

Oye, your typing hurts my head!!!

It doesn't matter if you know the guy or not - you should still practice quarantine.

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well im not stupid i picked up the female from a friend at the trade center and i have known him for about three years as for i know he is a good breeder and takes care of all of his pets an he wouldnt give me or at that even try to sell a pet that has anything what so ever wrong with it.
now with that in mind it is a 60 gal tank with one water dish screen top an coco bark because i cant find the repta bark any more witch i liked because it holds water better and its much better to me for keeping the humidity around the right % , now that has been said i keep temps about 90f with the humidity at 40-60 and i have a Thermometer / Hydrometer that is a manual gage an i have been keeping an eye on it tryin to get the humidity right if it drops to 40% i add more water to the bedding an wait about half hour an look at it if its around 50% then im happy, when i was bringing the snakes home i only had one bag to bring them in so there for they had to be in the same bag an when i was taking them out they where locked so then agan its not like im going to pull the males pecker out of the female ( :carrot: getin it on) so i left them an picked them both up an put them in the tank ,the next day there back at it she moved around the tank alot and after the 2nd lock shes been laying in a ball on the cool side of the tank and i have been told many times there no need for hides and if u didnt know when i first got both males they where in poor everything havent been fed in who knows how long no water an 2 shed skins in the tank along with poo every where so i cleaned the tank put new bedding in it got a light for the tank for god sakes there was no heat on it at all and it was in the 60s out side an fed them both 2 small rats an brought them back to health in a about a month or two so if all of u want to dog me for leting the male and female do there thing and not take them apart then i dont know what to say to that other then have a nice day

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Wow..

thats nice half of what you people say hurts my head :salute:

oh god that realy hurts -rep damn thats gonna kill me do what u gotta do

Poor husbandry habits, and not open to advice of others, ive done what i could an how is what im doin poor there being takin care of

greetings,

i see you've been a member here for awhile now so i bet you know how this forum works. first off, it's family friendly so please be sure to watch what you say in your posts.

second, anyone reading any posts here know that the members here believe very strongly that two snakes should not be housed together, except for breeding purposes and that quarantine is extremely important.

now... obviously, you have decided to breed right away without the concern of over stressing your snakes (although i'm not quite sure why you male snake was in the bag with the female you picked up???).

please understand that a UTH is vital for a healthy ball python and wetting the bedding is not ever a good idea. belly rot is a common problem which will occur if you continue.

i hope you are in fact here to learn, share and enjoy as the rest of us are.

in light,
aleesha
moderator

LOL people are replying the way they did because you typed out a pretty lengthy paragraph without a single period. It really hurts our heads to read it. You may not be a native english speaker, but either way learn how to use proper grammar when posting on an english forum or you'll continue to get replies like in this post.

or a few paragraph breaks. being fluent in english is not a prerequisite for membership on this forum.

i see you are aware about housing snakes together.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...8&page=1&pp=10

LOL...wow!!! I don't claim to be an expert, I just got purchased my first BP close to 8 months ago, and since then have been doing all the reading I possibly can. In fact, I spend way to much time on this forum (although I rarely feel like I have the knowledge to reply to most posts).

I do suggest you continue to do the same thing. The world is not going to run out of BP's if your particular snakes do not breed, and i'm just going with my gut here, but I don't think it is a very smart idea for you. There are so many problems that can occur without the proper knowledge of what your doing.

If you want my opinion...continue to raise the snakes you currently have, fix their conditions, maybe even get a few more, and when you feel like you couldn't possibly know anymore about raising and breeding reptiles maybe you could give it a shot. Other than that, i'm glad you have decided to join the wonderful world of reptiles and I wish you the very best of luck.

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LOL...wow!!! I don't claim to be an expert, I just got purchased my first BP close to 8 months ago, and since then have been doing all the reading I possibly can. In fact, I spend way to much time on this forum (although I rarely feel like I have the knowledge to reply to most posts).

I do suggest you continue to do the same thing. The world is not going to run out of BP's if your particular snakes do not breed, and i'm just going with my gut here, but I don't think it is a very smart idea for you. There are so many problems that can occur without the proper knowledge of what your doing.

If you want my opinion...continue to raise the snakes you currently have, fix their conditions, maybe even get a few more, and when you feel like you couldn't possibly know anymore about raising and breeding reptiles maybe you could give it a shot. Other than that, i'm glad you have decided to join the wonderful world of reptiles and I wish you the very best of luck.

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well it's nice to see some people like you on here can see the fact that not all of us are pro's at this so thank you for bein the best person i have talked to so far on this site and bein understanding and not put down others for doin ther own thing or trying to get everything in order..............................
and i have 2 hides and no00 a 4 foot snake will not fit in them at all an the hides i found big enough woulnt fit in a 100gal tank let alone a 60 gal tank so anyway say what u must but im doing what i can and as for the spraying or weting the bedding its just to get the humidity right so give me something about that whit out spraying or weting some of the bedding the humidity is to low.............
the female is the only one that will fit in the hide so what ever :carrot: :rockon: :taz:

and as for the snakes being in the same bag. i took both male snakes to the trade center and gave one and 20$ for the female. an didnt have another bag or box to put her in so she had to go in the same bag....... when in got home to take them out they where locked. so i picked them both up and put them in the tank. an let them be as they where so what can i say im not going to disengage them just to put them in a different tank or what ever............................................................................ ................................................................................ ..............................................

So, you came on here asking for advice, then you get mad when people post constructive criticisim. So, since you have breeding questions, why don't you just pick the brain of your breeder friend who you got the female from. I would think he'd want to help you be successful in your breeding plans and would be happy to answer all your questions, especially since he's a friend of yours! :)

Geez Louise! I hope that for your snake's sake, you do some research.
What is the meaning of this?? "the female is the only one that will fit in the hide so what ever "
What about the poor male, who can't even thermoregulate? Where are you measuring 90-degree temps; inside the hide, the ambient air.. the cool side.. I am just going to stop now before I get more flustered. Please read a proper caging, husbandry, etc. if you ever want to be a good breeder or let alone, keeper, of these wonderful animals.

the temp on the hot side is 90f and 40-60% humidity an thats in the tank its self notthe hide or anything an as for the male well the only hid i could find big enough for a 4 foot snake to fit in woulnt even fit in a 100gal tank so there for i couldnt get it

If you are not willing to do research (i.e. read a caresheet), how can anyone help you?

well from what the 2 males where when i first got them there going great so if u wanna dog me for that then go for it i dont care

You know - kitty litter pans make great hides for adult ball pythons - just flip them over and cut out an entrance. It even fits in my 41 quart tub, so I'm not sure why you can't find something to fit in a 100 gallon tank? :confused:

What does your breeder friend suggest?

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well im not stupid i picked up the female from a friend at the trade center and i have known him for about three years as for i know he is a good breeder and takes care of all of his pets an he wouldnt give me or at that even try to sell a pet that has anything what so ever wrong with it.

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Yes and next month I will be receiving 2 BP from a very reputable breeder and they will be quarantined from the rest of my collection, like I do with any BP, regardless of whom I buy them from, and I am sure everyone here will tell you the same thing.

Now getting mad because of what you hear I do not understand that, when you asks questions you must be ready for the answers, some you might like some you might not but in the end all the recommendations are made for one good reason: The welfare of your BP.

well i dont have his # for there main shop only for the shop thats in the trade center thats only open on weekends so talking to him right now would'nt be something i can do as far as the hides go i got them at pet suply an the tank they had set up only had a small log in it with no hide
i would hate to see how some of u treat your kids if u like this about snakes lol they cant touch anything with out rubber gloves on or a tub of hand cleaner

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well i dont have his # for there main shop only for the shop thats in the trade center thats only open on weekends so talking to him right now would'nt be something i can do as far as the hides go i got them at pet suply an the tank they had set up only had a small log in it with no hide
i would hate to see how some of u treat your kids if u like this about snakes lol they cant touch anything with out rubber gloves on or a tub of hand cleaner

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all because we practice quarantining? When you only have 1 or 2 normals, you don't have much to lose. On the other hand, people here with dozens of snakes with some $1k+ snakes thrown in the mix, you have a lot to lose.

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i would hate to see how some of u treat your kids if u like this about snakes lol they cant touch anything with out rubber gloves on or a tub of hand cleaner

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Insults are not necessary or tolerated and will most likely prevent the very people you've asked to help you to offer any further advice. :colbert:

Quarantine is a good husbandry practice, and I'm a little saddened to see that you didn't plan for the fact that you would be introducing a new animal to your collection and bring a second snake bag to transport her in, away from your male.

Wait wait, i've got a wonderful idea! Sell one of the snakes to someone who can properly take care of it, and use the $50 or so to invest in a couple good hides, and some more equipment, possibly a smaller tank. As far as the hides go, you'd actually be surprised what snakes can fit into to, the prefer it pretty tight, any pet store employee who knows anything about reptiles should be able to sell you a perfect hide for your adult python.

I'm still not letting go of this breeding issue. I just really don't think its the right time for you. One snake is a lot of responsibility, two is even more, and babies...well you get the picture.

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and i have 2 hides and no00 a 4 foot snake will not fit in them at all an the hides i found big enough woulnt fit in a 100gal tank let alone a 60 gal tank so anyway say what u must but im doing what i can and as for the spraying or weting the bedding its just to get the humidity right so give me something about that whit out spraying or weting some of the bedding the humidity is to low.............
the female is the only one that will fit in the hide so what ever :carrot: :rockon: :taz:

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funny because my 7 foot boa can fit in a hide. it is a kitty litter pan turned upside down with a hole in the front. It will fit in a 100 g tank and even a 16 gallon tank

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well i dont have his # for there main shop only for the shop thats in the trade center thats only open on weekends so talking to him right now would'nt be something i can do as far as the hides go i got them at pet suply an the tank they had set up only had a small log in it with no hide
i would hate to see how some of u treat your kids if u like this about snakes lol they cant touch anything with out rubber gloves on or a tub of hand cleaner

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Whoa whats the problem here? When you become a member here you first contacted me thru a pm and was asking questions about your ball python.Now a few months later you have become a "who cares what you tell me i dont care" person.Simple fact here YOUR NOT PROPERLY CARING FOR YOUR SNAKES!! Yes i used caps to maybe get my message thru to you.If you dont have the "freind" personal numbers then how is he a freind? I have several breeders numbers (cell and home) and call them anytime.Thats a freind and someone you can trust.If he does not freely give you his other contact numbers incase you need something.Then he is not someone i would trust for his "word" and not quarintine any reptiles from him.If i bought a reptile from GOD it would follow the same quarintine rules just like everyone else!Everyone is just trying to help you here,if you dont want advice DONT ASK FOR IT! Now as far as my kid (daughter)she is well cared for and rarely gets sick.Do you want to know why? Simple because she has proper foods,housing,properly heated home and a doctor on call if ever needed.I care for my snakes the same ways as my child because its the PROPER ways!!

Please if you are not willing to give your snakes the correct and best housing and care... Please do them a favor and re home them. Someone else out there will be all about giving these snakes a good home.

Also like everyone else has said... do not come here asking for advice and then just turn your nose up and ignore it. We are only trying to help you and your snakes out in the end.

well fact of the matter is they have 2 hides now that i just got from pet suply an the male trys to fit if he doesnt he balls up an it lifts the little plastic tup/hide up and he then fits they have fresh water and bedding get med rats once a week an they have the light thats 100 or 150w sun glow so there for how are they not being takin care of.............................................................................. ................................................................................ ................................................

and as for the 30 gal tank i have repta bark in and a 75w tight beam light with 2 hides and a rock water dish an screan lid an has 2 females and a male white spot gecko an ive had the one female for 3 years

Oh my, you're back. The people here have given you great advice such as they did last time. I see your attitude has not improved since your rude PMs to me.
Hopefully you'll see some sense in what people have posted for you. They really have the animals best interest in mind.

well there being takin care of 2 hides fresh water, bedding, light/heat an humidity an being fed a med rat once a week

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a medium rat is more than a ball python needs, especially if being fed once a week. you say you use a screen top, what is your humidity since they suck for holding in humidity. if he fits under the hide and lifts it a little, it's okay. as long as he can curl up and feel safe. if he does not feel safe he will more than likely be searching around the tank.

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a medium rat is more than a ball python needs, especially if being fed once a week.

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I'll disagree with you on that, and we don't know the sizes of the snakes in question, so why don't we worry about what this guy is obviously doing wrong instead of nit-picking.

I'm pretty sure that the Sun-Glow bulbs are a white light, and should not be used 24/7 because they can mess with the snake's photoperiod. An infared or ceramic heat emitter would be better.

Good luck with your snakes.

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I'll disagree with you on that, and we don't know the sizes of the snakes in question, so why don't we worry about what this guy is obviously doing wrong instead of nit-picking.

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There is never a need to feed a Ball Python anything larger than a small rat.

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I'll disagree with you on that, and we don't know the sizes of the snakes in question, so why don't we worry about what this guy is obviously doing wrong instead of nit-picking.

I'm pretty sure that the Sun-Glow bulbs are a white light, and should not be used 24/7 because they can mess with the snake's photoperiod. An infared or ceramic heat emitter would be better.

Good luck with your snakes.

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Ask any of the breeders on here what is the biggest they feed their ball pythons. I will take their word because of their experience and knowledge in this hobby. Ball pythons are not known for being real aggressive feeders and are known for going off feed for months at a time. You don't want to overfeed them and have them go off feed to let their bodies catch up with the extra size or weight.

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I'll disagree with you on that

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I won't. :D :sweeet:

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I won't. :D :sweeet:

-adam

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But who would listen to a small time hobbyist breeder such as yourself?:P

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But who would listen to a small time hobbyist breeder such as yourself?:P

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well fact of the matter is they have 2 hides now that i just got from pet suply an the male trys to fit if he doesnt he balls up an it lifts the little plastic tup/hide up and he then fits they have fresh water and bedding get med rats once a week an they have the light thats 100 or 150w sun glow so there for how are they not being takin care of.............................................................................. ................................................................................ ................................................

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So, how are you providing belly heat for them? :confused: And what are your temps? Do you use a digital thermometer to measure them?

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No one I hope ... I know nothing.

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Yea we do not have one single member here that knows anything about snakes :rolleyes: .We just love writing and reading our words and wishing we really knew what we were talking about!:rolleyes: :carouse: :confuse: :rofl: :rofl:

I could name 100 things you could use for an adult BP hide; a car oil-change tub. A small kitty litter box.. cardboard box.. sheesh.

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Yea we do not have one single member here that knows anything about snakes :rolleyes: .We just love writing and reading our words and wishing we really knew what we were talking about!:rolleyes: :carouse: :confuse: :rofl: :rofl:

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"You got it, duuude!" :D

i have 2 hides from pet supply in there and if the male wants in it he gets in it even tho its realy realy tight but what the hell he fits there is no uth just the light right now but it says at the lowest in my room is about 70f an the tank with the light on is 92f on the hot side an 55 humidity i dont have a dig temp yet but lookin in to it

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i have 2 hides from pet supply in there and if the male wants in it he gets in it even tho its realy realy tight but what the hell he fits there is no uth just the light right now but it says at the lowest in my room is about 70f an the tank with the light on is 92f on the hot side an 55 humidity i dont have a dig temp yet but lookin in to it

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If you want a good digital thermometer check lowes or walmart they have one for less then 13$ (Acu-Rite) and it look like this http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...hermometer.jpg

It will give you the temp on both sides as well as humidity level.