Do Siblings make a difference?
Lately i've seen ads where the seller makes a note about a normal bp is a sibling to a morph ...."normal for sale, sibling to spider"
I'm curious why that would add value or why it is important to make mention of siblings.
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I am no expert on the matter so take this for what it's worth but I believe they mention it because the sibling could be Het for the same gene as his morph brother/sister since they are related.
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Originally Posted by Danny Beane
I am no expert on the matter so take this for what it's worth but I believe they mention it because the sibling could be Het for the same gene as his morph brother/sister since they are related.
No its just a marketing thing. If its a het then its a het if its a poss. then thats what they sell it as. They tell people this when they sell normals that are the brother or sisters of Dom/ Co - Dom. Nothing special geneticaly just marketing.
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Originally Posted by Danny Beane
I am no expert on the matter so take this for what it's worth but I believe they mention it because the sibling could be Het for the same gene as his morph brother/sister since they are related.
this would make sense if it were dealing with recessive genes. i'm talking about co-doms and doms. either it's normal or it's a morph. no hets.
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No, in the case of pastels, spiders and so on it doesn't make any difference as there are no 'het' forms.
If they aren't priced any differently then I'd say the seller is just putting as much information in the ad as possible. If they are priced higher then normal then I'd say they're dishonest and trying to cash in on someones inexperience.
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I'd like to believe it's because some breeders selectively breed their mutations to their nicest breeding stock that makes the best match for the co-dominate/dominate morph they are breeding making the normal siblings a little nicer than you're average CH or CB ball python that was from a pairing that wasn't so selective.
But, having been around the block in this business, I get the feeling that people are just "hyping their joint". ;)
-adam
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Originally Posted by Entropy
If they aren't priced any differently then I'd say the seller is just putting as much information in the ad as possible.
I agree...also kind of let's you know where they are from...i.e. they were part of a captive bred and hatched clutch...not farmed, imported, w/c, etc...
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Originally Posted by Danny Beane
I am no expert on the matter so take this for what it's worth but I believe they mention it because the sibling could be Het for the same gene as his morph brother/sister since they are related.
A sibling to a Spider is not het for anything as Spider is a Dominant and not a recessive gene.
All it means is that the sire or the dam was a Spider and the other was a normal and the clutch produce contained Spider & Normal.
Now for the HET here is an example breeding an Albino X Het Albino would produce a Homozygous (Visual Albino) and Normal offspring looking considered het for Albino and it that case that is what they would be sold as 100% Het Albino and not Albino Sibling.
Hope this make sense.
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Adam's touched on it already, and I don't remember where I heard or read, that some times, pastel siblings, for example - may be brighter than your "normal" normal. Whether there's any truth to that, who knows? Probably more likely a result of what Adam already explained with selective breeding.
Although I have some pretty bright CH normals, I will say that my Sophie, who I purchased from Vaughn is a pastel sibling and she's pretty bright as well. I don't believe Vaughn charged me any extra for her because of her "sibling status" :D
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For me the sibling status reassures that the animal is CBB. Of course you still have to take the breeder's word for it...
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Originally Posted by rabernet
Adam's touched on it already
Constantly.
-adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
Constantly.
-adam
LMAO! You know Adam if you don't watch it my friend you are going to end up being that dirty old man parked in the corner at the Home for Aged Herpers. You know the one that the nurses won't approach without gloves on and a tazer fully charged! http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ley/Neener.gif
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Originally Posted by Rapture
For me the sibling status reassures that the animal is CBB. Of course you still have to take the breeder's word for it...
could be CH if you harvest a female
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Originally Posted by frankykeno
LMAO! You know Adam if you don't watch it my friend you are going to end up being that dirty old man parked in the corner at the Home for Aged Herpers. You know the one that the nurses won't approach without gloves on and a tazer fully charged!
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ley/Neener.gif
going to? :rofl:
-adam
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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704
could be CH if you harvest a female
When mutations come into the country they are not packaged with CH normals ... there would be no way to identify a CH normal as a pastel sibling unless you were actually over in West Africa collecting the clutch out of a burrow yourself ... and there are only a couple people in the world that do that (other that the West Africans of course).
-adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
going to? :rofl:
-adam
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...AdamSmiley.gif <------------ Adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
Adam does touch it Constantly.
-adam
A point was made about selective breeding, a pastel, spider or whatever sibling is normally a nicer looking normal. :)
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Originally Posted by rabernet
Although I have some pretty bright CH normals, I will say that my Sophie, who I purchased from Vaughn is a pastel sibling and she's pretty bright as well. I don't believe Vaughn charged me any extra for her because of her "sibling status" :D
Robin,
damn, would you have paid more if i said "pastel sib"? :D
i'll keep you posted on this year's babies from her too.
the lesser sibs is the only sibs i've heard that might have something else going on. that isn't fully understood yet either. rdr would have the best info on that situation.
vaughn
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Originally Posted by kavmon
Robin,
damn, would you have paid more if i said "pastel sib"? :D
i'll keep you posted on this year's babies from her too.
the lesser sibs is the only sibs i've heard that might have something else going on. that isn't fully understood yet either. rdr would have the best info on that situation.
vaughn
Maaaaayyyybeee!!!! She's getting so hot though Vaughn - I'm amazed how much brighter she gets with each shed. I get my new camera delivered to work on Monday - so I should be able post pictures again (I can hear the collective groan now! LOL).
Definitely do, you know my tastes in ball pythons now!
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I agree that it clears up wether it's CH and one figures that someone breeding morphs has higher standards and the animal has been (hopefully)cared for. My first BP was supposed to be CB and had ticks, mites, dehydration and was not cared for prior to my inexperienced purchase. My vet told me horror stories of how CH are thrown in crates of 100's and shipped resulting in all kinds of problems. He onced was highered by an importer to check shipments as they arrived to sort out the BAD ones, poor guys. When he saw my snake he told me it was very hard to believe it was CB. But like any BP purchase you have to trust the person.
