More PETA

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/3212

I agree....LOSERS....to just let an animal freeze and starve to death!

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals??? :confused:

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Originally Posted by cueball

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals??? :confused:

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LMAO:D

i love it when people show their true colours!

I'm no fan of PETA but as such a hate object for the right wing many people have a avested interest in making them look bad. I'm not sure you should take this at face value.

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Originally Posted by kurgan

I'm no fan of PETA but as such a hate object for the right wing many people have a avested interest in making them look bad. I'm not sure you should take this at face value.

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Naa, PETA is good at making themselves look bad. :D

PETA is summed up in an episode of South Park. ;)

I notice one thing. No one mentions the cows OWNERS. Where are they? If I own a dog, I have to feed and water and shelter it. If my neighbor owns a dog and doesn't feed it, that doesn't mean I am obligated to go buy food and feed it. I disagree with PETA in a lot of situations(ok so MOST situations) but honestly, why the heck should ANY non-profit animal welfare organization spend it's money to feed animals destined for sale to profit owners who obviously don't care for them? They are CATTLE. OWNED by ranchers who are not caring for them. Our tax dollars will go to airlift hay in to feed them, so the rancher can turn around and sell them for profit in spring.
Don't get me wrong, I think that food should be gotten to the poor animals.. but I also think that the blame and the bill should go to the right people. Why is it that everyone has their hand out, going "Not my problem."?
Find the owners, confiscate the cows as soon as there is a thaw and sell them to pay for the danged hay and helicopters! Its ridiculous that people will scream that PETA and the HUmane Society should pay for this 'rescue' when the owners should have planned for something like this. It's not like we don't get blizzards nearly every year. And every year there is cattle that get stranded out in the middle of nowhere and get hay drops, and every year the ranchers do the same thing.
This year it was more widespread, and better covered by the media. But guess what? Happens every year out there.
Wolfy

Really good point Wolfy.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I notice one thing. No one mentions the cows OWNERS. Where are they? If I own a dog, I have to feed and water and shelter it. If my neighbor owns a dog and doesn't feed it, that doesn't mean I am obligated to go buy food and feed it. I disagree with PETA in a lot of situations(ok so MOST situations) but honestly, why the heck should ANY non-profit animal welfare organization spend it's money to feed animals destined for sale to profit owners who obviously don't care for them? They are CATTLE. OWNED by ranchers who are not caring for them. Our tax dollars will go to airlift hay in to feed them, so the rancher can turn around and sell them for profit in spring.
Don't get me wrong, I think that food should be gotten to the poor animals.. but I also think that the blame and the bill should go to the right people. Why is it that everyone has their hand out, going "Not my problem."?
Find the owners, confiscate the cows as soon as there is a thaw and sell them to pay for the danged hay and helicopters! Its ridiculous that people will scream that PETA and the HUmane Society should pay for this 'rescue' when the owners should have planned for something like this. It's not like we don't get blizzards nearly every year. And every year there is cattle that get stranded out in the middle of nowhere and get hay drops, and every year the ranchers do the same thing.
This year it was more widespread, and better covered by the media. But guess what? Happens every year out there.
Wolfy

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Because...that Filet Mignon just wouldn't taste right coming from a frozen cow.

Wow, that whole website is unsettlingly slanted. I got a little creeped out reading it.

As far as the cows go...I can see PETA's point...why should they help support a cause which they whole-heartedly disagree with? Picture asking the NAACP to help rescue a KKK compound isolated by rising floodwaters!

I'm betting the government officials in Colorado are way more sympathetic to the meat market than they are to animal rights nuts and are just using this example as another way to discredit PETA. Not saying that I agree with PETA in general...they're a buncha wackos for multiple reasons. Just that nobody is free of agendas.

Maybe PETA just needs to change their name. I mean, after all "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" is a rather broad title that seems to get them into trouble and look like hypocritical idiots....case in point....cows in Colorado and roach eating at theme parks, vs. Fear Factor and *their* bug eating excursions.

So, maybe they should change their name to "People for the Ethical Treatment of WILD Animals"
Or maybe "People for the Ethical Treatment of FURRY animals"
Or..."People for the Ethical Treatment of animals that are NOT CATTLE, LIVE STOCK, PETS, REPTILES, OR INVETEBRATES"

Maybe if they did that then they wouldn't look like such idiots all the time.
Just my $.02

No, they'd still look like idiots. They are extremely talented and practiced at it, after all.
At our local Ren Faire, they were protested outside about the elephant ride. They had signs saying "Free Judy!! Send her Back to Africa!!"
The main problem? Judy was not only captive bred, but not african. She was an Asian elephant. She also happens to be 37 years old, in great health and enjoys her life on nearly 25 acres of pasture in between occasional trips to give kids rides and get fed carrots for a day or so. She is a totally awesome animal.
We were nice to the protesters though, we even offered to take them out for burgers... haha.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

No, they'd still look like idiots. They are extremely talented and practiced at it, after all.
At our local Ren Faire, they were protested outside about the elephant ride. They had signs saying "Free Judy!! Send her Back to Africa!!"
The main problem? Judy was not only captive bred, but not african. She was an Asian elephant. She also happens to be 37 years old, in great health and enjoys her life on nearly 25 acres of pasture in between occasional trips to give kids rides and get fed carrots for a day or so. She is a totally awesome animal.
We were nice to the protesters though, we even offered to take them out for burgers... haha.
Wolfy

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HAHAHA!!!!! nice! :gj:

Someone, somewhere, is making money off of PETA and its followers; they are an ingenius businessperson, if nothing else! :(

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Someone, somewhere, is making money off of PETA and its followers; they are an ingenius businessperson, if nothing else! :(

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Agreed, I also read the other article in a link posted down the page about Peta and how they came about and their history. What a bunch of wack jobs lol. With the things they do, and they lies, assaults, and God knows what else. How do they expect anyone that has all their screws tightened right to ever listen to them and take them seriously? They just keep digging themselves a deeper hole. No government is every going to listen to these people when they want laws changed to ban animals. Or to "liberate" them.

Maybe someone needs to "liberate" Peta.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

No, they'd still look like idiots. They are extremely talented and practiced at it, after all.
At our local Ren Faire, they were protested outside about the elephant ride. They had signs saying "Free Judy!! Send her Back to Africa!!"
The main problem? Judy was not only captive bred, but not african. She was an Asian elephant. She also happens to be 37 years old, in great health and enjoys her life on nearly 25 acres of pasture in between occasional trips to give kids rides and get fed carrots for a day or so. She is a totally awesome animal.
We were nice to the protesters though, we even offered to take them out for burgers... haha.
Wolfy

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LOL
So if I protest one of your faires will you take me out for a burger? :carrot:
Pretty dang smart aren't they...don't even know their elephants. :rolleyes:

PETA had good beginnings. They wanted good humane treatment of animals. NOW they are a bunch of whack jobs with a VERY good PR and legal department. They don't think any animals should ever be kept in captivity. Not cows, not dogs, not reptiles. What do they think? Everyone shoud... have their pets euthanized? Turn them loose to die slowly and horribly? I believe that animals need to be treated humanely, but geez. Get a clue as to real life people.
I do have to say this, before I get jumped, since people want to read all sorts of other stuff into my posts recently... I don't mind if people want to be vegetarian. Don't try to make me be one. But you eat whatever you want.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

PETA had good beginnings.

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I respectfully disagree.....see the other thread running concurrently with this one as of now.....http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...7&postcount=56

see the links in this post....and read up on their founding memebers and their actions.....they will bend reality to suit their needs....some people think PETA members are stupid....this is true to an extent for some of them....but I think some of their actions towards Stroke Researcher Ed Taub show how intellectually dishonest they are......

Sorry, the links didn't show me the actual founders, remember that the original PETA was a grass-roots animal welfare society. The modern multi-million dollar industry is the bane of animal-lovers existance. The currant "founders" are the ones that raised the most money for the group to lobby with. They are by and large immoral people who think nothing of lying to get what they want.
Wolfy(who remembers WAY back when PETA just wanted to find dogs a home, and make people not butcher living cows)

I'm a vegetarian....most of the time :D but not because I think its cruel and inhumane to kill animals for food...I just can't handle a lot of meat, it grosses me out after a while. Heck, I feed *all* of my carnivores a species appropriate whole foods raw diet and don't think twice about it.
Now tofu...wth is with that stuff...that stuff scares me.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Sorry, the links didn't show me the actual founders, remember that the original PETA was a grass-roots animal welfare society. The modern multi-million dollar industry is the bane of animal-lovers existance. The currant "founders" are the ones that raised the most money for the group to lobby with. They are by and large immoral people who think nothing of lying to get what they want.
Wolfy(who remembers WAY back when PETA just wanted to find dogs a home, and make people not butcher living cows)

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Did you read the links?

According to these sources, PETA was formed in 1980. The original founders of PETA were Alex Pacheco and Ingrid Newkirk.
Newkirk still acts as the current international president of PETA, according to their own website. So I really dont understand your differentiation between the "actual" founders and the "current" founders. Maybe you can clarify this for me.

Pacheco was the main preparator behind the staging of the Siliver Spring Monkey Saga which started in 1982. It was the first case that put PETA on the map. Their history according to them can be read here.

They list the Sliver Springs case as their first big "accomplishment". They claim, and I quote, "This resulted in the first arrest and criminal conviction of an animal experimenter in the United States on charges of cruelty to animals, the first confiscation of abused laboratory animals, and the first U.S. Supreme Court victory for animals in laboratories."

What they fail to mention was that Taub's conviction was overtuned in 1984.

Yeah, I read through the links. Newkirk is about the only one that survived the "founding" when they turned it into a official non-profit tax shelter for money hungry weirdos. She was sort of the most radical of the originals, most of which were appalled by the actions taken shortly thereafter.
"PETA" existed prior to '80. But not as a official 'group' with all the official stuff like non-profit status, a board of directors, and all that. THAT'S the PETA I referred to,a nd I assume from what all I dug up on the internet that the currant PETA organization has effectively erased the actual grassroots group that started off as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Once they went offical, they sort of went off their rockers as well, form all the stuff I've read. The internet is chock-a-block full of tons of versions of them. Wonderful caring people who love animals.. to the most horrible lying cruel people who actually only care about political power and money. I truely lean towards the later. The really scary thing is how much influance they have over the actual Humane Society. Its beginning to be tough to seperate the agendas.
Thanks for all the links and further information.
Wolfy

I figured you were talking about some kind of grassroots movement before it went extermist.

I feel so old... I'm older than PETA. Grooooooan~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wolfy with a walker

YAY GO PETA!

Colorado and many other places ha sone of the worst animal abuses on farm animals! ALL they are going to do is sell them to the butchery and have them tortured, likeall the other farm animals, meaters do to!!

I support PETA. Go to www.youtube.com and find out more about, abuse on farm animals, tradefur, circus animal, whales and MORE.. horrible stuff. Heck, Im not sure if I would help either.. its better to be frozen then be butchered alive!!!!

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

YAY GO PETA!

Colorado and many other places ha sone of the worst animal abuses on farm animals! ALL they are going to do is sell them to the butchery and have them tortured, likeall the other farm animals, meaters do to!!

I support PETA. Go to www.youtube.com and find out more about, abuse on farm animals, tradefur, circus animal, whales and MORE.. horrible stuff. Heck, Im not sure if I would help either.. its better to be frozen then be butchered alive!!!!

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Have you ever been frozen? I'd think it be one of the worst ways to go.....

I completely disagree with everything PETA stands for. However, I do agree with Wolfy's original insight that those Helicocopters and hay are being subsidized by the taxpayers of Colorodo. And that the cattle ranchers will then make a hefty profit off them later. But if the voters of CO are ok with that then that's fine with me.

Ranching is a big industry that supports a lot of jobs in the west. It is the livelyhood for many families in that state. The governor of CO is being politically savy by saying those things publicly. He is playing to a major political consistency in his state. (I agree with Bill Owens that PETA is full of losers--just for different reasons.)

State governments and federal government subsidize a lot of things. Oil and gas industries, etc.....Subsidies to certain industries is nothing new in this country.

I have a cousin who is a member of PETA but she is not one of those ignorant extremists. She said when she applied for a job for something with them, they asked if she had any pets and she replied yes two cats and they were like NO! YOU HAVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS!

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I have a cousin who is a member of PETA but she is not one of those ignorant extremists. She said when she applied for a job for something with them, they asked if she had any pets and she replied yes two cats and they were like NO! YOU HAVE ANIMAL COMPANIONS!

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Hopefully she's not still a member after that kind of treatment.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Hopefully she's not still a member after that kind of treatment.

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Not sure, she lives in Atlanta and don't talk to her much.

I've never liked Peta. I love animals and I think they have some rights, but honestly, I'm not in love with them. :8:

[QUOTE=Mendel's Balls]Have you ever been frozen? I'd think it be one of the worst ways to go.....
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Frozen or tortured? Hmmm.... I go with Frozen any day. I say right on Peta for not helping the cattle! They would of been sent to the butcher farm and tortured anyways. And atleast the heard will die together in eachother warmth and jus tslowly go to sleep. The bets way to die. Being frozen isnt a bad thing, especially one you learnm how the farm animals are killed and treated most of their life... dying together is much better than having to see your family being tortured and die slowly and knwo your turn will be next.. seriosuly, people need to know more about this stuff...

Also no body should make a living off of killing. NOBODY. :(

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

Also no body should make a living off of killing. NOBODY. :(

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I talked to Jason the other day and apparently he's made well into six figures doing so. :8:

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Originally Posted by Sausage

I talked to Jason the other day and apparently he's made well into six figures doing so. :8:

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Death is a part of life. It's nice that you are apparently vegetarian, and I assume that all your pets are too. But me and mine like to eat critters. I'll support more humane treatment, but have you ever been in a butchery yourself? I mean not looking at a video editted to show the more horrible offenses, but actually been in one? I've been there. 99.9% of animals slaughtered die very quickly. Cows do not look at the other cow that goes into a doorway and go "Oh gee, I bet they are killinghim, and he's my half-brother, and I'm gonna grieve now." Sorry, but I've looked at cows inside and outside the slaughterhouse. They really aren't all that concerned, right up until the end.
It isn't like the butchers want to hang a living cow up and butcher it alive, that would be dangerous the them. Cows ahve a tendancy to kick.
You're posting on a ball-python forum, where a LOT of the members feed frozen thawed rodents. What do you think happens to those rats? They are raised and killed. And Rats are a lot smarter than a cow.
Freezing to death ain't real pleasant. I dunno what your experiances are, but I'd rather die from a humane bolt through my skull than to lie around shaking and becoming ill, until I finally get to that point of numbness where I go to sleep to die. That last bit of time might be 'going to sleep' and dying. Up to that is a misrable horrible thing. Ever had hypothermia?
There are a LOT of people honorably making their living of death and killing. Until you somehow convince everyone and everything on earth to somehow become vegetarian, it's going to continue.
Wolfy

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Agreed, I also read the other article in a link posted down the page about Peta and how they came about and their history. What a bunch of wack jobs lol. With the things they do, and they lies, assaults, and God knows what else. How do they expect anyone that has all their screws tightened right to ever listen to them and take them seriously? They just keep digging themselves a deeper hole. No government is every going to listen to these people when they want laws changed to ban animals. Or to "liberate" them.

Maybe someone needs to "liberate" Peta.

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Perhaps, but MILLIONS of dollars are donated to PETA annually and oodles (dare I repeat myself? naaaaah) thousands of ppl are members. There can't be THAT many mentally disturbed and unstable ppl in the general population.

ONE of the worst things, is that they cry and plead for the animals' sake, but then do this crazy stuff.....how about getting pets and then deliberately gassing them instead of trying to rehome them??? Check out the data / numbers/ information on Kathy Loves site linking to a more accurate exposure of what PETA REALLY does!

< The thing that torques ME the most is the garbage that PETA does, as demo'd by Penn & Teller's BS > :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Have you ever been frozen? I'd think it be one of the worst ways to go.....

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Frozen or tortured? Hmmm.... I go with Frozen any day. I say right on Peta for not helping the cattle! They would of been sent to the butcher farm and tortured anyways. And atleast the heard will die together in eachother warmth and jus tslowly go to sleep. The bets way to die. Being frozen isnt a bad thing, especially one you learnm how the farm animals are killed and treated most of their life... dying together is much better than having to see your family being tortured and die slowly and knwo your turn will be next.. seriosuly, people need to know more about this stuff...

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As a person who raised dairy cattle and grew up eating 'em....cattle are smart, but they don't have the reasoning ability to (see RED above). They sense and can smell fear and death and that in turn will frighten them, but during humane procedures, the animal doesn't know, understand or suffer.

ANY farmer or rancher who neglects or abuses his animals would be bankrupt so fast!!!........... U can't have a livelihood dependent on animals and deliberately NOT care for them. You and your family would starve as well!!!! Whether it be farming, ranching, eggs, dairy, rodeo.....It's OUR responsibility to PROPERLY care for and provide for the animals. Members here are a PRIME example of the good and loving care for ALL sorts of pets.

It's PETA and their ilk that are destroying such caring environs and brainwashing the populace to make it seem like ANY animal in captivity is destined for abuse, neglect and a horrific life altogether.

I'll give my few hard-earned donation dollars (if/when I have 'em) to PRESERVATION of wild areas, PROTECTION of endangered species, and organizations like St. Jude who do MEANINGFUL WORK!!!!!!!