Wow - $175 for DH Pastel X Hypo!

Just think, breed this little guy to a normal to get a clutch of Pastel/12.5% Het Hypo babies. :8:

LMAO! :rofl:

-adam

what a deal.....

Wow now that a deal I should jump all over that LOL

NOT!!

12.5% you know what we call that at the poker table.....

A snowballs chance

I do believe Ron sold that one a few weeks ago only he wasn't touting the '25% het ghost'. tsk tsk

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

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I thought he left the building? :rofl:

Sounds like 25% BS! I think with the drop in pastels people are getting creative LOL!!!!!!!!!!

I Dont think its right to use a small or any percentage less than a 100% het. as an enticement to sell a ball python. kind of shady to use it that way. it would be ok after the sale to mention that your ball python is 50% het. for something, so maybe they could try and prove that small percentage out sometime.


Raul, your female pastel is 50% het for albino and April, your female pastel is 50% het for albino. thats the way I think it should be done with 50% hets. after they have been paid for and your not trying to convince them to buy something.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I Dont think its right to use a small or any percentage less than a 100% het. as an enticement to sell a ball python. kind of shady to use it that way. it would be ok after the sale to mention that your ball python is 50% het. for something, so maybe they could try and prove that small percentage out sometime.


Raul, your female pastel is 50% het for albino and April, your female pastel is 50% het for albino. thats the way I think it should be done with 50% hets. after they have been paid for and your not trying to convince them to buy something.

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What about people that are selling things like 50% het for lavendar albino females ... surely they shouldn't be sold as normal girls and then after the sale the seller says oh, by the way ... LOL

I know what you're saying ED, your post just seemed like you were against ALL possible hets. ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I Dont think its right to use a small or any percentage less than a 100% het. as an enticement to sell a ball python. kind of shady to use it that way. it would be ok after the sale to mention that your ball python is 50% het. for something, so maybe they could try and prove that small percentage out sometime.


Raul, your female pastel is 50% het for albino and April, your female pastel is 50% het for albino. thats the way I think it should be done with 50% hets. after they have been paid for and your not trying to convince them to buy something.

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I don't see any problem with full disclosure...if for some reason the snakes were possible hets for some recessive gene I wanted to avoid, I would be very unhappy after the sale to find out I had some possible hets for that trait.

I know what you are saying...its silly to try and sell 25% or 12% het ball pythons...but I don't see anything wrong with advertising 50% possible hets, ESPECIALLY when you are talking about investing in some of the more rare, expensive recessive morphs like lav albino, caramels, etc...possible hets are a great way to raise some breeding stock AND have a great chance at producing some homozygous animals later on.

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I don't see any problem with full disclosure...if for some reason the snakes were possible hets for some recessive gene I wanted to avoid, I would be very unhappy after the sale to find out I had some possible hets for that trait.

I know what you are saying...its silly to try and sell 25% or 12% het ball pythons...but I don't see anything wrong with advertising 50% possible hets, ESPECIALLY when you are talking about investing in some of the more rare, expensive recessive morphs like lav albino, caramels, etc...possible hets are a great way to raise some breeding stock AND have a great chance at producing some homozygous animals later on.

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I agree. I was going to make a post almost exactly as you did.

I think a pastel should not be sold for more just because it's 25% or 50% het, but people need to know prior to making the purchase. Also, if you are buying a male pastel and the seller has two for sale for $150 each, one is 50% het orange ghost, and you plan on breeding that male pastel to an orange ghost anyways, you might just want to grab it.. it may be a long shot, but you still can't loose.

Post all of the genetics and let the buyer make the choice. ;)

Rick

Maybe I should have been more direct and to the point with my earlier post, this is exactly what I mean and please dont read anything other into it.


I do not think that you should charge any extra because you are selling a pastel thats 25% het. ghost, and I think it should be sold as a regular pastel. You can tell the buyer afterwards, but dont use that 25% het as a sales ploy!

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I do not think that you should charge any extra because you are selling a pastel thats 25% het. ghost, and I think it should be sold as a regular pastel. You can tell the buyer afterwards, but dont use that 25% het as a sales ploy!

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Strong post ED! ... I like it. :sweeet:

-adam

I don't see anything wrong with telling that theres a possibility for other genetics. 12% is kind of a joke but 50% oh yea. Don't raise the price, because your selling lottery tickets then, but information before the sale, sure.

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Maybe I should have been more direct and to the point with my earlier post, this is exactly what I mean and please dont read anything other into it.


I do not think that you should charge any extra because you are selling a pastel thats 25% het. ghost, and I think it should be sold as a regular pastel. You can tell the buyer afterwards, but dont use that 25% het as a sales ploy!

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I agree with "I do not think that you should charge any extra because you are selling a pastel thats 25% het. ghost," but I don't agree with "and I think it should be sold as a regular pastel."

25% het means that snake has a 25% chance of carrying a gene that I may not want. If I use that pastel in a project I intend to do over many, many years.. and that pastel turns out to be a het, it could screw up my plans. Next thing you know, ball pythons will turn into what cornsnakes have turned into. You can't even by a CB normal cornsnake to prove out genetics of a new snake, because you have no idea what multiple hets that snake carries.

This is my opinion, you can agree or disagree, but this is a very reasonable opinion.

Rick

By saying that I think it should be sold as a regular pastel, I mean that there should not be any additional charge because it is 25% het for whatever. now go ahaed and twist that anyway you want. and please do start talking about cornsnakes again! :mad:

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I agree with "I do not think that you should charge any extra because you are selling a pastel thats 25% het. ghost," but I don't agree with "and I think it should be sold as a regular pastel."

25% het means that snake has a 25% chance of carrying a gene that I may not want. If I use that pastel in a project I intend to do over many, many years.. and that pastel turns out to be a het, it could screw up my plans. Next thing you know, ball pythons will turn into what cornsnakes have turned into. You can't even by a CB normal cornsnake to prove out genetics of a new snake, because you have no idea what multiple hets that snake carries.

This is my opinion, you can agree or disagree, but this is a very reasonable opinion.

Rick

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I think you meant 'do not'....

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

By saying that I think it should be sold as a regular pastel, I mean that there should not be any additional charge because it is 25% het for whatever. now go ahaed and twist that anyway you want. and please do start talking about cornsnakes again! :mad:

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I may have misread or you may not have been clear, but I did not 'twist' anything.

The way I am reading your statement is that if you sell a Pastel that is 25% het for something, you will sell it as "Pastel" and not inform the buyer of the 25% until after the sale is complete. I do not agree with that.

If you mean to say that you would sell it as a Pastel that is 25%, but not charge extra for the 25%, than I agree completely.

So, which one are you saying? Please clarify.

Rick