Pied

So, i wanted to know if anybody had sceen any other color morph pieds. I have sceen the Pastel Pied, and i forget what it is, but the orange looking pied at RDR. Has anybody sceen anything else really cool?

Thanks!!

I have seen the Lav Albino Pied. And the albino clown, and the Spider Albino..All totaly out standing. I have it on good athourity that we'll start seeing lots of double and tripple ressicive stuff in the coming years

man.... a lav. albino pied would be sooo pretty. do you have any pix of the ones you mentioned?
thanks!

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Originally Posted by Amy05

a lav. albino pied would be sooo pretty

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"orange looking pied at RDR"


Also check out spied...spiderxpied :gj:

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Ralph Davis Reptiles

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil..._hatched_5.jpg

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Originally Posted by cueball

Also check out spied...spiderxpied :gj:

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http://www.roussisreptiles.com/htmlindex3.html

Holy smokes!

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http://www.roussisreptiles.com/htmlindex3.html

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Man! You know how to make a gal's eyes bug outta her head!!

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Man! You know how to make a gal's eyes bug outta her head!!

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:eek: I get that all the time:8:

he he. what a cutie. i would be intrested to see a spied with body color too.

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Originally Posted by Amy05

i would be intrested to see a spied with body color too.

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From what I understand they have all been that way so far :) However I am a little out of the loop and this might not be correct :oops:

No your right is like you never see a pied with a white head. It has to do with the way the pied gene developes. The spied has the same thing no body color. Which I think is cool spider with a Lucy body. best of both worlds

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Originally Posted by cueball

From what I understand they have all been that way so far :) However I am a little out of the loop and this might not be correct :oops:

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You are correct sir. All of the spieds have solid white bodies from the base of the skull down ... can't wait to see a group of them all with different colored heads! ;) :D

-adam

Adam any spieds in your collection or plans to produce ??

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

You are correct sir.

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I was hoping you would come in and confirm one way or the other :gj:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

can't wait to see a group of them all with different colored heads! ;) :D

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That would be hot :eek: Pied with a dark head would be insane :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by cueball

Pied with a dark head would be insane :rolleye2:

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RDR Black Head x Spider x Pied = Hotness! :sweeet:

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

RDR Black Head x Spider x Pied = Hotness! :sweeet:

-adam

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Can't hardly wait :bow:

is this right....(so far) ?


pied (SR) x albino (SR) = albino pied (DR)
pied (SR) x pastel (CoDom) = pastel pied (SR/CoDom)
pied (SR) x super pastel (CoDom) = Super pastel pied
pied (SR) x Spieder (Dom) = Spied (SR/Dom)
pied (SR) x lavender (SR) = lavender pied (DR)
RDR Black Head x Spider x Pied = Hotness!


what is missing?

both snakes have to have the albino and pied gene to get an albino pied. ie, albino x pied = double hets for albino pied. you would then have to raise up and breed the double hets together or back to albinos and pieds and hope to make the odds 1 in 16 !



vaughn

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Originally Posted by kavmon

both snakes have to have the albino and pied gene to get an albino pied. ie, albino x pied = double hets for albino pied. you would then have to raise up and breed the double hets together or back to albinos and pieds and hope to make the odds 1 in 16 !



vaughn

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Yup of course...i guess i was just demonstrating the crossing of morphs.:D

the axanthic pied, soon to come and I whant to see a caramel pied

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Originally Posted by PipeDADDY

Yup of course...i guess i was just demonstrating the crossing of morphs.:D

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oh, ok as long as you factor in the double hets. i think you got the dr,co-dom ,sr, sr/dom thing right.


vaughn

Anyone heard how the spider pieds are doing and growing up? Hopefully they feed like spiders.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Anyone heard how the spider pieds are doing and growing up? Hopefully they feed like spiders.

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Yup ... they feed like ball pythons. ;) :sweeet:

-adam

Like spider ball pythons or like piebald ball pythons?

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Like spider ball pythons or like piebald ball pythons?

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There's no difference ... they're all ball pythons.

-adam

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No your right is like you never see a pied with a white head. It has to do with the way the pied gene developes.

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Ok can anyone be more specific than this? Why do pieds never have a white head? Why does the mutation never manifest itself in the head/neck region?

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Ok can anyone be more specific than this? Why do pieds never have a white head? Why does the mutation never manifest itself in the head/neck region?

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I am not real sure why it does it but its just part of the deal with Pieds. Like green eyes on Spiders. It may have to do with which end of the snake the pigmentation starts developing in. But thats just a totaly left field, have only seen a couple of them in real life, no experiance with breeding them guess.

Hopefully most of the mutations are appearance only and the abnormal genes that make them look different don't also have any negative side effects. But after the spider twisting thing I wouldn't count on any breeders letting the public know if a few of them did.

I keep seeing the word Het next to a type of snake. What does this mean?

It's short for "heterozygous". It means carrying an unmatched pair of whatever genes you are talking about. For example, at the spider gene location a spider has a copy from one parent with the spider mutation and a copy of from the other parent without the spider mutation (i.e. normal for spider). The term homozygous is used when the pair matches (like homozygous normal or homozygous mutant with either two normal or two mutant copies respectively at the location you are talking about).

Thanks.

So my snake could be a het of something and I not know it? He cost $60 so it is probably not likely, right?

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Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

Thanks.

So my snake could be a het of something and I not know it? He cost $60 so it is probably not likely, right?

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not true, there are het albino males selling for $60 from midwest herps

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

not true, there are het albino males selling for $60 from midwest herps

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I'd be warey of this!

from what i have seen they have a good rep and if they sell them to get rid of them, i see it possible. i bought mine from tim bailey for $100 so not much more.

BTW, it was not $60 including shipping

I wouldn't be suprised at all to hear a 100% het albino MALE going for $60... :)

I love that low white albino pied!

Its sad to say but some het males are being sold for very little. het albino and het ghost(hypo)comes to mind. I guess as breeders we are just overproducing ball python morphs? :eek:

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

not true, there are het albino males selling for $60 from midwest herps

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