Sub-adult female ball pythons . . .

I have for sale 2 normal female ball pythons. Both are around 800 grams each and pounding weanling rats! Should be able to breed next year. $425 shipped for the pair or $250 shipped each.


-Andre





Please email for pics info@regalboids.com

I will be posting some pics later tonight when I take some. They are great snakes!

Lets see some pics I am needing me some breeder females..

I will post the pics tonight when I get home from work for sure as I have someone interested in my male TRP. Thanx.

Here is female #1 she weighs 805 grams and probes 3 scales deep. The colors are a tad bit off as I have a crappy camera and bad lighting.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...4sale/F1-1.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...4sale/F1-2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...4sale/F1-3.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...4sale/F1-4.jpg

Heres female #2 shes 830grams and probes 4 scales deep. Same about the pics crappy but the best I could get.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...4sale/F2-1.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30...4sale/F2-2.jpg

These beautiful girls are still available :) .

pretty, wish i had a bit extra money right now. hopefully i'll be able to get my first ball after xmas

Andre, not trying to sound rude here but I think you might sell these girls or any snake for that matter if it was your mom who was posting the ad and taking care of all the business stuff. IMO most people would rather deal with someone who is older and can legally own a business then someone who is 14.

pay the $20 and put em on kingsnake

My mom is the one who will be doing the business its just that shes barley on here and so I post the ads. I forgot to say that all business will be done through my mom.

is one of these the one that is being treated for a RI?

nope. They are not being treated for a URI. The one thats being treated is in a different room!

Right now they are not in the same room as the snakes with a URI. Tonight I am moving them in there for heating reasons. Sorry for the confusion.:(

So are they or arent they in the same room?

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Right now they are not in the same room as the snakes with a URI. Tonight I am moving them in there for heating reasons. Sorry for the confusion.:(

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Amazing timing!

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So are they or arent they in the same room?

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As of this second they are not in the same room, but I do plan on moving them all in the same room.

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As of this second they are not in the same room, but I do plan on moving them all in the same room.

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So you plan on moving healthy snakes into a room with unhealthy snakes?

That is the only room in the house thats warm enough. What would you do in my case?

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That is the only room in the house thats warm enough. What would you do in my case?

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You sure they aren't already in the same room?

What would I do? Well for one, I wouldn't be selling animals that may have been exposed to RIs.

I am 100% positive that they arn't in the same room right now. Also they haven't been exposed to RI's.

Thanx for the -rep point. Even though who ever gave me it should reread what i postes on here and the reread their comment they left on it!

Then Andre how is it at 7:15 p.m. this evening (well before the post from you where you retracted your statement to Jenn that they were in quarantine in a seperate room) you told me repeatedly that all your snakes are in a basement room. I asked you more than once if that was all of them, healthy and sick ones and you stated that's the only heated room you have so they are all in there. Not that some are and some aren't...every snake you own...not my words...yours. Not that you are moving sick ones in (which makes no sense to introduce ill snakes into a room with a healthy collection)...that they were all there already. The sick ones are simply "across the room" from the still healthy ones (your words not mine).

When I questioned you and cautioned you about telling a member a flat out lie about how you were housing your collection, you then posted at 7:28 p.m. changing the information. I cautioned you about quarantine and selling snakes without disclosing that they aren't being quarantined from snakes with active RI's. You then have the nerve to question me in my own thread about Brannagh and Orlah coming home and whether I quarantine properly!

Don't play games Andre. It's beneath you and your goal to be a respected breeder some day and I won't play word games with you. Don't say one thing publically and another privately to me and other members here and then expect to get away with risking other people's collections and hope we won't speak up. You said to me.."I think it would be better to make sure all animals are healthy before adding to my collection"

What about being a little concerned about your potential customers and them adding to their collections before you worry about the new spider you want picking up an RI from your own ill snakes. You need to disclose fully and most importantly never lie to anyone asking a direct question about any aspect of your husbandry if you expect people to ever buy snakes from you.

Oh and to be very clear Andre. I didn't leave you that neg rep point. I'd rather deal with this openly as I'm very concerned about this situation.

Sorry Andre, but you were just asking for this if you make posts about your sick snakes and also post snakes for sale.

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Then Andre how is it at 7:15 p.m. this evening (well before the post from you where you retracted your statement to Jenn that they were in quarantine in a seperate room) you told me repeatedly that all your snakes are in a basement room. I asked you more than once if that was all of them, healthy and sick ones and you stated that's the only heated room you have so they are all in there. Not that some are and some aren't...every snake you own...not my words...yours. Not that you are moving sick ones in (which makes no sense to introduce ill snakes into a room with a healthy collection)...that they were all there already. The sick ones are simply "across the room" from the still healthy ones (your words not mine).

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I told you that because I was planning on moving them into the heated room tonight.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

When I questioned you and cautioned you about telling a member a flat out lie about how you were housing your collection, you then posted at 7:28 p.m. changing the information. I cautioned you about quarantine and selling snakes without disclosing that they aren't being quarantined from snakes with active RI's. You then have the nerve to question me in my own thread about Brannagh and Orlah coming home and whether I quarantine properly!

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I didn't question you about you quarantining proparly. I just asked if you were going to quarantine them because I did not know if you had to quarantine snakes that you are reciving back or not.

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Don't play games Andre. It's beneath you and your goal to be a respected breeder some day and I won't play word games with you. Don't say one thing publically and another privately to me and other members here and then expect to get away with risking other people's collections and hope we won't speak up. You said to me.."I think it would be better to make sure all animals are healthy before adding to my collection"

What about being a little concerned about your potential customers and them adding to their collections before you worry about the new spider you want picking up an RI from your own ill snakes. You need to disclose fully and most importantly never lie to anyone asking a direct question about any aspect of your husbandry if you expect people to ever buy snakes from you.

Oh and to be very clear Andre. I didn't leave you that neg rep point. I'd rather deal with this openly as I'm very concerned about this situation.

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When I said that I think it would be better to make sure all of my animals are healthy before adding to my collection I was referring to not selling any snakes at all until I know for sure every last one of my snakes are healthy for sure. Sorry if that was unclear.

Ok i am confused here.Andre why is there only one room thats heated in your home? I also dont think Joanna would say something that was not true and i actually commend here for letting everyone else know about your conversations.Instead of worrying about rep points i think you should get ALL of your snakes in tip top shape before attempting to sell any.I would hate to see you end up like that freind of yours that sells underweight non eating misrepresented snakes.

Andre,

As I'm sure you know about my one BP having a RI who was housed in a different room (a now old none used bedroom on the other side of the house) and also I'm a total clean/heath freak and my other BP still come down with RI's symptoms. It is very contagious. I thought I was doing a good job at being very careful, and in the end now my whole little collection may come down with RI's all because of my one female I bought who had it. I wanted to sell my rat snake, but now she is still with me till I am over 100% completly sure that everyone is not going to come down with a RI and if they do that they are 100% better. It may really happen. In my case I hope it doesn't. In the end do not sell sick or even possibly sick snakes. Don't get into this business on the wrong foot with people. I know you want that morph as we've both talked about over AIM. But first comes first, put those snakes you have NOW at first priority with getting cleared up and back to to good heath. The BP morph world isn't going anywhere. It will still be here in months to come.

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That is the only room in the house thats warm enough. What would you do in my case?

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But an oil-filled heater and put them in a different room. That was easy.

-Jason

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Ok i am confused here.Andre why is there only one room thats heated in your home? I also dont think Joanna would say something that was not true and i actually commend here for letting everyone else know about your conversations.Instead of worrying about rep points i think you should get ALL of your snakes in tip top shape before attempting to sell any.I would hate to see you end up like that freind of yours that sells underweight non eating misrepresented snakes.

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My whole house is heated to only 70-72 degrees(not enough for the snakes) Only one room that was built in the basement is heated enough for the snakes 80-83.I am not really worrying about rep points and also I can not do anything more about the URI until friday when I get paid. She is on baytril but it doesn't seem to be working for her. Also who is my friend that sells underweight non eating misrepresented snakes?

Andre back pedal all you want. I'm sorry to even have to do this to you publically. I really dislike calling anyone out but Andre you were not unclear to me, nor confused or whatever. I asked you multiple times about the room these snakes are in (6 feet x 6 feet x 7 feet tall...your exact description to me). I asked you clearly more than once (three times actually) if every snake you owned was currently in this room...the ill ones and the sick ones. You confirmed more than once that all your snakes were there (this was at 7:15 p.m. this very evening). You in fact described to me how you wash your hands between caring for the sick snakes and the healthy ones a matter of a few feet away in the same small room. I cautioned you that this was in no way a proper quarantine situation.

In fact you infer you have one sick snake when you actually have two. You described the other one to me as "had mucus in its moth and making popping sounds". You told me you have no where else to keep snakes.

Again, I'm very sorry to have to do this Andre but I'm concerned that you've got females up for sale that are being exposed daily to two sick snakes in a very confined area and you are continuing to refuse to be honest about this with potential buyers and the members of BPNet.

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But an oil-filled heater and put them in a different room. That was easy.

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It would be kind of hard to heat a whole basement with one oil-filled heater and plus, the rats are in the basement and I dont think they would like ti that hot in their cage. If I get some good insulated blankets to hang up in a portion of the basement as walls would that work?

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Andre back pedal all you want. I'm sorry to even have to do this to you publically. I really dislike calling anyone out but Andre you were not unclear to me, nor confused or whatever. I asked you multiple times about the room these snakes are in (6 feet x 6 feet x 7 feet tall...your exact description to me). I asked you clearly more than once (three times actually) if every snake you owned was currently in this room...the ill ones and the sick ones. You confirmed more than once that all your snakes were there (this was at 7:15 p.m. this very evening). You in fact described to me how you wash your hands between caring for the sick snakes and the healthy ones a matter of a few feet away in the same small room. I cautioned you that this was in no way a proper quarantine situation.

In fact you infer you have one sick snake when you actually have two. You described the other one to me as "had mucus in its moth and making popping sounds". You told me you have no where else to keep snakes.

Again, I'm very sorry to have to do this Andre but I'm concerned that you've got females up for sale that are being exposed daily to two sick snakes in a very confined area and you are continuing to refuse to be honest about this with potential buyers and the members of BPNet.

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The 2 snakes that are up for sale are not even housed in the same room as the sick snakes, and never have. Also how am I refusing to be honest. I ambeing 100% honest hun. Also I didn't say that I was my hands in between snakes I said that Becky told me I should do that.

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My whole house is heated to only 70-72 degrees(not enough for the snakes) Only one room that was built in the basement is heated enough for the snakes 80-83.I am not really worrying about rep points and also I can not do anything more about the URI until friday when I get paid. She is on baytril but it doesn't seem to be working for her. Also who is my friend that sells underweight non eating misrepresented snakes?

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You know who it is Andre,but its irrelavent to this thread so thats why i left it out.

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The 2 snakes that are up for sale are not even housed in the same room as the sick snakes, and never have. Also how am I refusing to be honest. I ambeing 100% honest hun. Also I didn't say that I was my hands in between snakes I said that Becky told me I should do that.

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So, you AREN'T washing your hands between snakes? That's even worse! Andre, your posts are very inconsistent here - and you even said you're MOVING healthy animals into the same room with unhealthy ones. Let's not forget that you not only have these two females up, but a male as well. That's three snakes that you KNOW have been exposed to RI's without proper quarantine. Joanna has shared your IM this evening with me and you SAY multiple times that they are housed in the SAME ROOM because you have no other place to keep them. I read it with my own eyes.

I am so livid right now at your lack of concern for other's collections by putting these up for sale while you're treating sick animals with no quarantine or washing hands between handling them that I'm seeing red.

You want to be respected as a reputable business man - you need to start acting like one. You have a reputation here and on Fauna for changing your stories when you are backed into a corner - most of us would call that lying!

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It would be kind of hard to heat a whole basement with one oil-filled heater and plus, the rats are in the basement and I dont think they would like ti that hot in their cage. If I get some good insulated blankets to hang up in a portion of the basement as walls would that work?

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I guess I should've been more clear, I recommended a oil filled heater to raise the ambient temperature of the room a bit higher than it is currently, and then rely on flexwatt, UTHs or etc... to hear the cages to the proper temperatures from there. I have my reptile room at a temperature of 78 degrees and then use my flexwatt with tstat to raise the cage temps to proper levels.

I hope you get your act together, you really need to step back re-evaluate your current business practices, husbandry and QT procedures.

-Jason

You know what Andre if you feel you've done nothing wrong give me permission to post the AIM conversation in it's entirety. I've never made a habit of keeping these things. I consider it a point of honor that what is said privately stays private but since I have no problem standing behind each word I typed, do you? If you'd rather I just post the entire conversation here then say so and we'll let the members of BPNet decide whether you are lying, being careless or just "confused" as you often are when you realize someone has caught you playing fast and loose with the truth yet again. Perhaps they will decide I'm picking on you and just being mean for some odd reason.

Andre you need to realize this is nothing personal. As I've said I dislike doing this sort of thing but there is a serious question of truth here as well as the health of snakes. That won't allow me to just sit on my hands about what you told me and Becky tonight.

The snakes are no longer for sale and I doubt someone on here would buy them anyways because I am a minor. Now I wish I would have waited until I was atleast 18 to do any business or try to conduct any.

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It would be kind of hard to heat a whole basement with one oil-filled heater and plus, the rats are in the basement and I dont think they would like ti that hot in their cage. If I get some good insulated blankets to hang up in a portion of the basement as walls would that work?

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A whole basement???? So the story changes again....direct quote from our conversation earlier this evening in AIM....

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Frankykeno: oh so all your snakes are in the one room, heated for them...with the two sick ones on one side and the others on the other side???
Regal Boids: yup

Regal Boids: its a room my dad and i built in the basement

Regal Boids: 6 by 6

Regal Boids: by about 7 feet or more tall

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You aren't heating a whole basement...you are heating something slightly bigger than a good sized closet!

Being a minor has nothing to do with this.

Selling potentially sick snakes that could infect someone else's collection (and quite a few of us here have high $$ collections) is what this was about.
No respect for customers or their animals is what this is about.
You never should have listed an animal for sale unless ALL the animals in your collection were 100% healthy.

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The snakes are no longer for sale and I doubt someone on here would buy them anyways because I am a minor. Now I wish I would have waited until I was atleast 18 to do any business or try to conduct any.

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If they were guaranteed to be healthy, I'm sure there wouldn't be any problems from someone on BPnet dealing with your mother to buy them. Being a minor has nothing to do with this instance...the issues came from QT procedures and now lying trying to cover your own rear.

I just want to know how the 2 females I had for sale could possibly be sick? Also Joanna I do not give you permission to post it as of yet. I just have a question, how and what did i say to lie? I know I told you that all the snakes where in the same room because I WAS going to put them in the same room. I would say something about quaranting, but I don't want EVERYONE to get their undies in a bundle.

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The snakes are no longer for sale and I doubt someone on here would buy them anyways because I am a minor. Now I wish I would have waited until I was atleast 18 to do any business or try to conduct any.

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Do not pull the "age card" with me Andre! That's disrespectful to every member here under age 18 and we have quite a few that are wonderful herpers. If nothing else, we've all given you more than enough leeway in consideration of your age, not penalized you for it! People have helped you, defended you but you don't get a free pass either (none of us do). I'm 45 years old, Andre and if I was pulling this stuff....you'd bet I would deserve to be told off privately and publically. I've been one of those that worried about you, spents many hours in AIM while you asked questions that you should have already done your research on and been very patient with you for the most part.

Do not play the injured child with me. I may be seven kinds of fool somedays but I'm a mother of 4 and I know when I'm being fed the "feel sorry for me" line. It's far better Andre if you learn from this stuff, realize you stepped over a serious line, apologize truthfully for it and go forward hopefully wiser for the whole experience.

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The snakes are no longer for sale and I doubt someone on here would buy them anyways because I am a minor. Now I wish I would have waited until I was atleast 18 to do any business or try to conduct any.

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No Andre, your age has nothing to do with it, your lies when you are backed into a corner and YOUR decision to put animals up for sale that are in the SAME ROOM as sick animals is what's getting you into trouble. There are 14 year olds on here with a lot more maturity than you have displayed here.

Joanna asked you three times that I counted - are all the snakes in one room. You said YES all three times. Then when you realized the implications, you back tracked and said something to the effect of "oh, I was confused what you meant - they're in a different room, but I'm going to move them into the same room with the others since it's heated, that's what I meant to say".

BS Andre - you know exactly what you are doing, you know exactly where your snakes are, and you know that you were willing to risk other people's collections and still would have if you had not been called on it here.

What happened to the male by the way? Did you already sell it?

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I just want to know how the 2 females I had for sale could possibly be sick? Also Joanna I do not give you permission to post it as of yet. I just have a question, how and what did i say to lie? I know I told you that all the snakes where in the same room because I WAS going to put them in the same room. I would say something about quaranting, but I don't want EVERYONE to get their undies in a bundle.

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A bike doesn't get to far peddling backwards. Just for fun, I'd LOVE to hear your advice about QTing snakes.

-Jason

Just a shot in the dark here, but I think that if you had the healthy ones separate from the sick ones and you were just planning on putting them in the same room, those would have been the words you would have said to Joanna.

I'd like to hear the "something" about quarantine as well...

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I just want to know how the 2 females I had for sale could possibly be sick? Also Joanna I do not give you permission to post it as of yet. I just have a question, how and what did i say to lie? I know I told you that all the snakes where in the same room because I WAS going to put them in the same room. I would say something about quaranting, but I don't want EVERYONE to get their undies in a bundle.

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If you do not understand the transmission of disease Andre then you need to learn about it before you sell any snakes. As far as giving me permission to post that conversation in it's entirety from start to finish...basically Andre that's a courtesy I extended to you and still do extend. In the end if you type it online it can come back to haunt you. That's why honesty is alway the best policy (here as much as anywhere).

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I just want to know how the 2 females I had for sale could possibly be sick?

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The same way how my other BP is now sick. It spreads and it is very contagious.

Well its not really advice I was just going to give an example, but I do not want to get flammed for it. Does everyone need me to take a picture of the snake room thats heated and show you only 7 snakes are in there and then the one with 2?

No I didn't sell the male already, I am not selling any of my snakes right now.


Right now I feel as though I should appolagize for somethings, but then again if I appolagize then I am sure some of you will think that I was lying about the WHOLE thing when I wasn't.

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I just want to know how the 2 females I had for sale could possibly be sick?

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Andre, Andre, Andre - they are in the same room, no matter what you say now. You also said you don't wash your hands between snakes. If you don't have a clue how they could get sick, you need to learn a LOT more about the proper care of your animals before you add any more or sell any. People are not going to forget this.

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Also Joanna I do not give you permission to post it as of yet. I just have a question, how and what did i say to lie? I know I told you that all the snakes where in the same room because I WAS going to put them in the same room. I would say something about quaranting, but I don't want EVERYONE to get their undies in a bundle.

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You know what Andre, you say you have nothing to hide, so there's no reason why you should have a problem with Joanna sharing that IM. Joanna asked you point blank if you had them in the same room - not, are you planning to. Joanna asked you: And you keep every snake that you own in this room? You said: Yup

That's just ONE of three times she asked you that. Then when she told you that housing them in the same room but at opposite sides was not quarantine, you played dumb: What do you mean? I'm confused?

Then you go onto say that the ONE that's being treated is in a different room. Andre - be a MAN, the way you want to be treated and tell the TRUTH - it's much easier to keep up with than remembering the lies!

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Does everyone need me to take a picture of the snake room thats heated and show you only 7 snakes are in there and then the one with 2?

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No we do not need to see pictures. I think Jo & Robin have it set and I highly highly doubt they would both team up and make up false lies about these things. I could easily post pictures of my snakes with a few in this room and a few in that room. It would only take me a hot 5 minutes to switch some tubs from one room to the other, snap a few pictures, upload them and bingo it looks like I house snakes in different room (which actually I do right now-but thats not the point).

* Takes a DEEP breath, and exhales slowly*

Joanna, Robin, Becky, and everyone else that thinks this partains(sp) to them, I am sorry if I have lied to you or you thought I lied to you I am sorry. I am not appolagizing because you all want me to I am doing it because I want to. I know that I should not be trying to sell snakes to get more snakes if I can not quarantine properly. I feel as if I have failed keeping snakes now. It is not anyones fault, but mine. I don't want this to sound like a sob story. I also don't want this to seem like I am only doing this so I won't have bad rep. Well Reputation points on here mean didally squat really, the reputation that matters is how you conduct business, your customer service, the quality of your animals, and the overall rep of being a good guy. I know I am heading down the fast lane to being a bad guy, and I don't want that to happen as I truely am not a bad guy. What I need to do is make sure all of my snakes are 100% healthy and then sell/purchase more animals and have strict quarantine rules. I know some of you have lost respect for me and I can certainly understand why. I hope I can start all over again and on a fresh page. I know there are only so many clean pages in a notebook and I don't want to waste them all. I am sincerely appolagetic and I do truley mean it. I think I took this whole situation way to serious about whos lying and such. What I didn't take serious enough was the health of my animals. I am sorry if I cam off on a bad foot, but I had it checked over byt he doc, and he said it may be a long recovery. When I say that I don't actually mean my foot, I mean my rep. Thank you all for letting me post this and I just want to make it clear that I posted this because I wanted to not because I was forced to.