Morph help

I am going through heck right now; trying to decide on what morph to buy. I figured, heck, why not just ask the forum and see what you think! I know, people may say, "buy what speaks to you, what YOU want, etc.." But honestly, I want them all and can only get one.
Not that this new snake would be used for breeding this year, but here's what I have for my breeding program now.. 1.0 male pastel of breeding size, 0.2 normal females of breeding size, 0.1 2006 normal female for future breeding.
So, here are the choices! Please comment and let me know what You would do with roughly $1000 USD (give or take 100.00.)

2006 female albino.. I would then get a 100% het male next year, breed them in 2 yrs. or so.

2006 Spider female, to breed to my Pastel male for bees, and go on for super pastels from there..

2006 Mojave female.. pastaves?

I will unabashedly admit that our goal here is a high-white Pied; we need to breed our way there though, and I don't want to go the het-pied route.

I'd get the Albino female and who know's maybe the breeder will throw in a het male free.

Bees are sexy! Get a spider...but thats just me

i'm thinkin go for the Co-Doms...

You've got your male ready to go...as well as 2 females. Pair him with those normals and spider this year and that will make for one very nice season!

Spider Gin or the Mojave they both have great potentional

Natural progression would be a spider to make bumble bees, then killer bees. and not to mention the others produced from those breedings. my thoughts are to make morphs with extreme color. spiders have come down nicely in price and it dont hurt too much to purchase one now. :)


I understand the confusion, theres a heck of alot out there to consider. :rolleye2:

I think that if you have money to spend and you just don't know what you really really want ... and since time doesn't seem to be a huge factor ... wait ... prices will be lower in the summer on 07 hatchlings and you'll be able to save even more ... and who knows, you just might find that great deal on a nice pied for yourself. ;)

I'm one of those "the snakes you buy should speak to you" kind of guys. :D

-adam

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Originally Posted by Emilio

I'd get the Albino female and who know's maybe the breeder will throw in a het male free.

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I myself would go for a cinny if I had 1k to spend on a baby morph. :P

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I think that if you have money to spend and you just don't know what you really really want ... and since time doesn't seem to be a huge factor ... wait ... prices will be lower in the summer on 07 hatchlings and you'll be able to save even more ... and who knows, you just might find that great deal on a nice pied for yourself. ;)

I'm one of those "the snakes you buy should speak to you" kind of guys. :D

-adam

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The thing about that is now you can pick up 06 hatched snake and be a little ahead of the game with the size of the female purchased.

Then again waiting until the summer prices will be lower, but you end up with a tiny baby female. :)

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

The thing about that is now you can pick up 06 hatched snake and be a little ahead of the game with the size of the female purchased.

Then again waiting until the summer prices will be lower, but you end up with a tiny baby female. :)

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I'm sorry Ed, I didn't see where the OP said that she was in a rush or trying to "get ahead"? My bad ... I was just giving my opinion that if a person really is having that much trouble deciding, with the way prices come down every season, waiting a little longer and saving some extra cash would open up a whole new world of possibilites as to what morphs might become affordable.

Didn't mean to offend.

-adam

I am probably going to go with the Spider after all, for the investment reasons. This is something I would really like to get as soon as possible, to give myself a little more of a headstart toward bees..
At first, I was thinking, everyone seems to be getting Spiders.. I was afraid that they were becoming too common to be worth investing into, but I just adore how awesome the Bees look, and I will just about jump through the roof the day I can hatch out one of those babies! And as for Spiders, I think that in themselves, they are just super sweet looking snakes; I actually never thought I'd be affording one this soon, but finances are looking good and, well, I just bought Mark a $900.00 pistol, so this is only fair. ;)
Here's another thing you guys/gals may be able to help me with.. I see a lot of ads on the classifieds, that state that their '06 females "can be ready for breeding next year." This really seems outrageous to me; my girl Bela is an '03, and she is just this year up to breeding size.. how can you breed females that are yearlings, without being an obvious power-feeder? I definately would never powerfeed, just wondering. unless they were veeery early '06..?

It is a lot cheaper and quicker to produce visuals if you get a spider over the albino. You can use the money from the babies you produce to buy that pied.

edit: how big are your females? since you already have the females, get an 06 male spider that will more than likely be ready next year

Spider's are awesome good choice Jen.

You know, I did the math, and for my purposes I really do think that a male Spider would be the best choice now. He will be ready next year, versus waiting for a female that'd take 2 years.. and since the pied is our real goal here, we could hypothetically use the funds from selling next year's Spider sale profits for that female pied.. get a male het pied..
I am not doing it for money; I am doing it for the pied. It is my favorite morph, but also Mark's; he really wasn't all that into BP morphs until I showed him that one, and Bam.. but I am into the higher-priced, higher-white Pieds..

if you really like pieds, then make pieds your goal and go for it. nothing wrong with the het route, if that's not for you, that's cool too. i personally wouldn't get a spider now if your reason is to breed it to make money for the pied. take your 1k and save it and save up more for next season's babies, you might be into a pied sooner than you think, maybe. think about the time to raise a spider up, breed him to females, lay eggs, raise up and sell babies! imo, by or before that time you could just buy a pied.



vaughn

Get a het pied female. That way you start as cheap as possible while still getting started growing her up to breeding size and then in a year or two get a pied male. No possible hets and better odds on producing pieds. And later on if you buy a pied girl, at worst you have a big "normal" girl for a different project.

Just be happy with whatever you choose!

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Bees are sexy! Get a spider...but thats just me

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Dittttto... But I'm by no means a morph authority... I just know what catches my eye! ;)

So laooda, your a big fan of the bumble bees? :)

Why yes, I am... Ed! lol! (I'm not sure if there is any one that isn't)! :sunny:

You got the pastel, I would say spider. Most of the best morphs include spider and or pastel. The question is male or female? I was always told to have a back up male because unless he is a proven breeder there is no guarantee he will close the deal! Even then sometimes BP's are picky about who they mate. Then save up for a female pied and mate her to the pastel to make pastel het pieds then pied pastels. Does it ever end??????????

I'm of the thought that if what you really want is a Piebald, start working on that project asap. The first line of buisness is a female so she can start growing. If your willing to spend 1k, go for a 100% Piebald Het female, I'm sure you could get what your looking for with that 1k.

The other, and much harder to do, is not buy anything, and just put that 1k in the bank. Then just keep saving while the prices of Piebalds come down, then when the price is right, you can buy =)

I guess I am just a nut.. my goals are actually to have a pied while keeping back a bumble bee, the original Pastel, and Spider, that I start off with also. :) I am not trying to say that the Spider and everything else are jut a means to a Pied.. I am sorry if it came off that way. I want to use them to build up towards one, yes, but they are stepping stones that I would definately like to keep in the garden (if that makes sense, hehe.)
I am getting more and more nuts about bees, the more I look at them.. the main thing here is, I want to have fun and enjoy the anticipation of hatching babies out, etc.. and it is not something I am losing interest in or that's getting old and chorelike.. so I am going with it!
Heck, it is a LOT better of an investment, than breeding horses.. those are just pets for me. My friend breeds Quarter Horses, and she is lucky if she even breaks even, what with housing/ feeding/vet care.. not something I will be doing again unfortunately unless we hit the lottery or something.

Well dont plan on making too much money with this either.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

So laooda, your a big fan of the bumble bees? :)

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Why yes, I am... Ed! lol! (I'm not sure if there is any one that isn't)! :sunny:

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quietly holds up her hand :bolt:

Go with what you feel is right Genevive. It seems like you want more than just a pied. I would go with the spider now.

After you get a bumble bee, make sure to pick up an axanthic to make some new babies

jen,

you've said you aren't interested in hets... so it sounds like a spider is probably your best bet. i know you know this but.... make sure you get your spider from a high quality breeder... who is using GREAT stock themselves... so you start with the best snake you can afford... and go from there.

best of luck with the snake hatching karma gods!

Aleesha

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

quietly holds up her hand :bolt:

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Don't run off! lol! :P I'll hold up my hand with cha'! :hug:

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Originally Posted by Griggs2121

Well dont plan on making too much money with this either.

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I feel the odds of making money in breeding ball pythons over horses are in her favor :)

I am not positive, but what is the going value for a quarter horse? These are 2 completely different animals. You are comparing something that takes a $7 enclosure plus other misc. supplies and eats no more than $4 or $5 a week, depending on what it eats to a huge animal that will eat I don't even know how much a week, but I know more than $5 worth of feed and needs quite a space to its' own. I would much rather breed a snake that can sell for $1000 and if the needed vet trips are to a minimum, there is much more money to be paid in snakes.

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Don't run off! lol! :P I'll hold up my hand with cha'! :hug:

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no... i was saying i'm not crazy over bees. *ducks* they just don't float my boat... but... pastels, super pastels and pieds do! oh man... i get all giddy just thinking about them.

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Its important to not think about this as solely an investment, forget about that. that will happen when you produce babies. consider the pure joy you will recieve watching a clutch of eggs hatch. spiders are an awesome morph with sweet temperments. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...spiderlove.JPG

Heres a 450 gram male, a very handsome guy. :) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1165773962