Pastel grading system?

Ok so I see that some people have they're pastels graded.

what are they graded on?

Is this grading system universal throughout? or just that persons opinion?

are other morphs graded?

Here's a little write up on "pretty pastels"....

http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgpas.htm

-Jason

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Originally Posted by kplunk

Is this grading system universal throughout?

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Yeah man, NARBC has strict grading guidelines, if you break them...your ace better call somebody :P LMAO

Naw, its simple, a better looking snake is worth more money..... If you dont know what a nicer or "A" grade pastel looks like, mabye you had better look at some more. Like I told you in another thread, if you're shopping for a pastel, dont just look for any pastel, look for THE pastel.....the one that screams your name, and has every trait you were looking for in a pastel. If you dont know what traits you are looking for....again, you should look at some more and decide what you like. Dont depend on a breeder to tell you what is "A" grade or "the nicest pastels out there", if you've done your homework, you will know it when you see it, and it wont matter what it costs ;)

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

If you dont know what a nicer or "A" grade pastel looks like, mabye you had better look at some more. Like I told you in another thread, if you're shopping for a pastel, dont just look for any pastel, look for THE pastel.....the one that screams your name, and has every trait you were looking for in a pastel. If you dont know what traits you are looking for....again, you should look at some more and decide what you like. Dont depend on a breeder to tell you what is "A" grade or "the nicest pastels out there", if you've done your homework, you will know it when you see it, and it wont matter what it costs ;)

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Thats what I'm getting at. I've looked at lots of pictures. I know what I like. I was just wondering what people were using as references for them to say one pastel is nicer than another.

I found a breeder and I wanted a particular snake that I liked but replied to me that it was already spoken for but had another one that was nicer (more blushing). Turns out I do like the looks of this snake and worked out better for me.

I was just curious as to what people think is good traits for a pastel. So was just looking for the info.

Thanks Jason exactly what I was wanting.

The snakes that have a higher amount of blushing and are more solid yellow color and a real faded head tend to be higher in value. Then the go down from there. If the yellow is more broken up and the blushing isn't the pronounced. then it might be a little lower in value.


Hope this helped - Ed

Another thing you need to think about is , what will this pastel look like when its older? do you know how to recognize a young pastel that will be major brown as an adult? ....a little pointer to add to the post I made above is, patchy yellow or orange = brown later on ;) For example... that pastel in my avatar, he's pretty nice isnt he? awesome blushing, wacky banding throughout....nice color, but.....notice the orangey tones? In that pic, the pastel is 6 months old. If you saw what he looks like today @ 2 1/2 yrs old, you'd crap your pants! he's brown as a mofo :( Which is why he is no longer in my collection, I only work with the best ;) I can show you pics of him @ 2yrs old if you'd like

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

Another thing you need to think about is , what will this pastel look like when its older? do you know how to recognize a young pastel that will be major brown as an adult? ....a little pointer to add to the post I made above is, patchy yellow or orange = brown later on ;) For example... that pastel in my avatar, he's pretty nice isnt he? awesome blushing, wacky banding throughout....nice color, but.....notice the orangey tones? In that pic, the pastel is 6 months old. If you saw what he looks like today @ 2 1/2 yrs old, you'd crap your pants! he's brown as a mofo :( Which is why he is no longer in my collection, I only work with the best ;) I can show you pics of him @ 2yrs old if you'd like

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I would like! haha

Very bright colors, little to no orange wash on the sides, and a fair amount of blushing are what I look for.

The orange wash tends to turn brown as they age so you want to avoid that in a baby, the brighter colors as a baby, the better it will look as an adult since they tend to darken, nice blushing on the sides and back will compliment how it looks as an adult.

No matter what some people may claim, I beleive that if you want to breed pastels (or cross them into other morphs), you want the best one you can find. Don't settle for an ugly, dull one. A few people will tell you it doesn't matter what the pastel looks like as long as it's a pastel. Well, that's why there are so many garbage pastels out in the market. People went for quantity instead of quality. Some pastels for sale don't even look like a pastel should.

The one in my avatar had no orange on the sides as a baby. At 500 grams it still has bright yellow coloring. Trust me. Stay away from the ones with all the orange on them. There are a few on KS right now that have a TON of orange on them and they are priced dirt cheap. When they age, you understand why they were so cheap.

Ok see thats one thing I don't know to look for is how he'll look when he's older here's a picture of one of the pastels I've seen tell me what you think


https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...9/3/Pastel.jpg

Very nice looking I'd get it. Loads of blushing, very high yellow, Nice faded head. I say if its a male around 300.00 if is a female 400.00 to 500.00 in value. Thats just me blowing smoke. LOL

Hope this helps -Ed

beautiful pastel... I wouldn't complain about owning it...:D

alright thats good to hear. I did read somewhere about pastels losing there color. But I still don't know how to tell which ones do or don't.

I give mine an A+ because he is locking up with the girls! :)

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I give mine an A+ because he is locking up with the girls! :)

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:salute: :taz: :carrot: :colbert: :sabduel:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I give mine an A+ because he is locking up with the girls! :)

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Brilliant :D Nobody wants a Pastel that doesnt put out :P

Ok guys here you go, "Pastel Evolution" at its finest...or worst?:(

In my avatar pic, he is 6 months old, in these pics he is 2yrs

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23...astelbrown.jpg

Here he is in natural light with my #1 "het Albino mama".. god I hope her pattern passes on..... Which one is the normal?:P:P

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Oman420/Pastel.jpg


And just for fun, here is one of my favourite normal imports, also in natural light

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23...0/Smithsun.jpg

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Originally Posted by kplunk

Ok so I see that some people have they're pastels graded.

what are they graded on?

Is this grading system universal throughout? or just that persons opinion?

are other morphs graded?

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I picked out mine for the blushing but also for the reduced pattern

Here is my boy Clyde (Of course I also have Bonnie) :D

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...hons/Clyde.jpg

Sorry for the pick not the best quality

This is one that is holding it's color pretty well at 7 months.
There was almost no orange on the sides as a hatchling so it should dull a bit more as it ages but I don't expect it to "brown out".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSCN0173.jpg

these are the two i just picked up from adam...

first "little dude" my VPI pastel boy... i chose him because of his patterning... i like his lack of 'spotting' in his yellow sections...

http://www.8ballpythons.com/uploads/aleesha-1.jpg

and this is my lemon girl... i simply fell in love with her the second i saw her

http://www.8ballpythons.com/pastel/lempasjun06-06.jpg

and here's what adam told me when i wasn't sure which pastel male i should pick... cause i don't know a whole lot about them.

"you should pick the animal that speaks to you ... You should buy the best animals that you can possibly find/afford ... You'll have them for the next 20+ years and cleaning up poop for an animal that isn't "perfect" in your eyes is no fun ... trust me. :P "

so i went with little dude... not because he's the best show piece specimen i could have picked... but because i was in love with his reduced pattern and ... cleaning up his poop for the next 20 years... is something i feel great about doing!

Congrats Aleesha!!! They are SO NICE!!!



I'm lovin' this thread... Any photos of "Orange sides" anyone????

That lemon girl is NICE.

I can see why you liked her.

Rock on Aleesha! Great choices from a very wise man. :)

Here's my boy, currently around 300g. He's a Graziani :) Such a cute widdle 'ting. He's a good bit brighter now that he's gotten older. The orange seems to be fading and turning yellowish peach. So I take that as a good sign.


http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9...0014by2.th.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7...0009un6.th.jpg

wow those are all some nice pastels guys. Adam has some beautiful snakes aswell as graziani. Would love to do business with either of them. Graziani has got some great pastels on his site that are het for pied or albino which would be nice as well cause if it wasn't a pastel I'd know it was a het. Sadly I'm in Canada and Graziani said cites alone would be around $350 so until I'm ready to make a larger one time purchase I'll hold off.

thanks everyone... i'm very very VERY pleased with the balls i'm getting from adam. he's great to work with.

kplunk - i'm in canada as well (although i am in the better part of canada... being out west and all LOL) :P

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

thanks everyone... i'm very very VERY pleased with the balls i'm getting from adam. he's great to work with.

kplunk - i'm in canada as well (although i am in the better part of canada... being out west and all LOL) :P

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Ok so if you don't mind how much did shipping + cites + everything else cost you in the end? I don't need to know the cost of the BPs just the cost incurred for shipping everything if thats not too much to ask.

Thanks

Chad

i prefer not to say publicly... if you don't mind. ;) but i will pm ya about it.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

i prefer not to say... if you don't mind. ;) but i will pm ya about it.

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Nice one ;)

Kplunk, if you're interested in Adam's fees and practices, you should give him a call or e-mail him, he wont bite ;) Im sure he'd be happy to discuss how these things work with you :)

Oh I wasn't trying to get backdoor info on Adam I'm just curious to the cost of cites / shipping in general from the US to Canada.

Although I don't know Adam I figure he wouldn't bite I just don't have the money to be shipping from the US right now so I didn't want to ask him about cites cost when I probably wouldn't be purchasing from him anyways. Was just curious about the shipping cost in general info.

no problem at all... it's nice to know what you are dealing with potentially before you have to deal with it... cause once you deal with it, then it's dealt with and if you don't know what to deal with then you might be done before you get started ;)

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

no problem at all... it's nice to know what you are dealing with potentially before you have to deal with it... cause once you deal with it, then it's dealt with and if you don't know what to deal with then you might be done before you get started ;)

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ya what she said :rolleye2:

exactly!

now that we have that cleared up... :P

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Originally Posted by kplunk

wow those are all some nice pastels guys. Adam has some beautiful snakes aswell as graziani. Would love to do business with either of them. Graziani has got some great pastels on his site that are het for pied or albino which would be nice as well cause if it wasn't a pastel I'd know it was a het. Sadly I'm in Canada and Graziani said cites alone would be around $350 so until I'm ready to make a larger one time purchase I'll hold off.

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If you are patient you should wait and check with Mark Mandic I know he is working with Graziani line and he is a Canadian Breeder http://www.ballpython.ca/index.html

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

If you are patient you should wait and check with Mark Mandic

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Bravo girl! I was beginning to think everyone in the U.S. thought his name was Markus Jayne LOL....Mark and Janie are good people, and if you're looking for Graziani line, he's the one to see (him and Greg are practically married :P)...You will pay more for one of theirs, but honestly they produce more quality Graziani line Pastels than anyone up here...sure other people might pop out one or two that look better than Mark's here and there, but on the whole, Mark and Janie consistently produce high quality Pastels that are worth paying top dollar for...

Ya they have some beautiful snakes.

well since we're posting pictures...

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...5/G6MG8683.JPG

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...5/G6MG8680.JPG

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...5/G6MG8695.JPG

he looks a lot more yellowey now!

i gotta get some more updated pics!

I'll always contribute in visual form...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...11/pastel2.jpg

bigballs, that second one had to go into the BPOM contest... waaaaay too cute!!!

i had it as my avatar for a while so i figured that people would have seen it and be sick of it but i'll try it this month...(unless i can get cuter poses...):snake:

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

him and Greg are practically married :P

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:rofl:

-adam

I would wonder if anyone has conclusive evidence that brighter Pastels produce more bright offspring, while browned-out ones produce offspring that brown-out.. I am thinking yes, since some of the Pastels I've seen for sale (especially the Enchis!) are many more dollars higher in price than the going rate...

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I would wonder if anyone has conclusive evidence that brighter Pastels produce more bright offspring, while browned-out ones produce offspring that brown-out.. I am thinking yes, since some of the Pastels I've seen for sale (especially the Enchis!) are many more dollars higher in price than the going rate...

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Enchis aren't really "pastels" ... the name is confusing ... like cinnamon pastels ... enchis are their own thing. ;)

-adam

Since we are showing pastels here are some of mine
Lemon Male

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...sarChillin.jpg

Matrix Blonde female
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ngtogetcha.JPG

Pastel bellie
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ondeBellie.JPG

Nerd lemon
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...Lemongirl2.JPG

Another lemon male
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...3/Isabella.JPG

Can I play too.


I know its not fair to bring a bomb to a gun fight. hahaha :P https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...lemonmale2.JPG

Ed That one is the BOMB! Is that the bumble bee popa?

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Ed That one is the BOMB! Is that the bumble bee popa?

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No, George Clooney is breeding for the first time this year. when those bees are big enought, george will be bred to those for killers and what not. ;)

Did you produce George or purchase him? Is he the same line as my girl? I used the head shot you took of my girl for my avatar. Always enjoy seeing your pics!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keepem coming!!!!!!! Bet all the girls are ready for George!

ed,

send that one to me immediately. once again... you are focusing on the beautiful snakes... bad ed!

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Did you produce George or purchase him? Is he the same line as my girl? I used the head shot you took of my girl for my avatar. Always enjoy seeing your pics!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keepem coming!!!!!!! Bet all the girls are ready for George!

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I bought George and 7 other NERD line Lemons, George was the one with the best looks. your female was produced by Georges father. good blood for sure. :)

Something that I just noticed looking at your avatar, the eye stripe on your girl is exactly like Georges. drops down in the back. COOL

I didn't read all the posts but I have heard that different blood lines and even different types of pastels tend to darken more so than others. I.E NERD Line lemons tend to hold there color. Where as jungles will tend to darken. As far as VPI and others I have no clue but thats also something to take into account. I went with the jungles cause the super are super hot.

Just my two cents