why are females more expensive?

Why is it that females are more expensive than males? To me, males should be more because they are sexually mature sooner and they can be bred to multiple females, whereas females can only produce offspring with one snake. Any ideas?

You pretty much answered your own question. Females are valued higher, because they take longer to raise to breeding weight, and you need the gals to lay the eggs. :D


Supply and demand too - breeders hang onto their breedable females, making the supply far less than the demand for breedable girls.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You pretty much answered your own question. Females are valued higher, because they take longer to raise to breeding weight, and you need the gals to lay the eggs. :D


Supply and demand too - breeders hang onto their breedable females, making the supply far less than the demand for breedable girls.

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ahhhh never looked at it that way.

Also as in real life with Human Males, the men are expendable. Males go off to war for God and Country. Females stay home a propagate the peoples. If the females were to go to war, then the Human Race would dissapear. Men may help create babies, but they don't "make" them. Therefor, the female is far more valuable than the male. PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Also as in real life with Human Males, the men are expendable. Males go off to war for God and Country. Females stay home a propagate the peoples. If the females were to go to war, then the Human Race would dissapear. Men may help create babies, but they don't "make" them. Therefor, the female is far more valuable than the male. PERIOD.

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*cough*BIASED*cough*

Eh.. yeah.

On topic, though, I've seen both males and females be more expensive, so I guess it varies.

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Also as in real life with Human Males, the men are expendable. Males go off to war for God and Country. Females stay home a propagate the peoples. If the females were to go to war, then the Human Race would dissapear. Men may help create babies, but they don't "make" them. Therefor, the female is far more valuable than the male. PERIOD.

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I take offense this post also. Saying any human is "expendable" in war is outright sick. I'd like to see you tell this to the families in my unit who have lost loved ones...or anyone who has lost loved ones due to war. Not only that but there are plenty of females serving during war times as well.


Sorry for going OT but that comment is just not right with me any way.

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

I take offense this post also. Saying any human is "expendable" in war is outright sick. I'd like to see you tell this to the families in my unit who have lost loved ones...or anyone who has lost loved ones due to war. Not only that but there are plenty of females serving during war times as well.


Sorry for going OT but that comment is just not right with me any way.

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I have to agree with you. that's a terrible comparison, and i have female friends in the military.

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Also as in real life with Human Males, the men are expendable. Males go off to war for God and Country. Females stay home a propagate the peoples. If the females were to go to war, then the Human Race would dissapear. Men may help create babies, but they don't "make" them. Therefor, the female is far more valuable than the male. PERIOD.

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As a Stay at home mom, I have to say that a man is just as "valuable as a female" at least in my house. If it weren't for my Husband we wouldn't be where we are today. But if it weren't for me we would have a very dirty house. Men and women in terms of humans are equally "valuable" in my eyes and in many ways.

As far as snakes go, Also I was wondering if another reason would be the fact that females can only produce so many clutches in her lifetime and males can reproduce longer? I am not sure if that is true with snakes or not but could that be a factor alond with the others mentioned?

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Also as in real life with Human Males, the men are expendable. Males go off to war for God and Country. Females stay home a propagate the peoples. If the females were to go to war, then the Human Race would dissapear. Men may help create babies, but they don't "make" them. Therefor, the female is far more valuable than the male. PERIOD.

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I agree with the others! This type of comment is low and uncalled for.Do you have or know anyone that is in the military or has lost a loved one? My brother-in-law has been back and forth from Germany to Iraq numerous times and we worry about him the whole time.NO ONE IS EXPENDABLE EVER!

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Originally Posted by joepythons

IDo you have or know anyone that is in the military or has lost a loved one? NO ONE IS EXPENDABLE EVER!

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First off just for the record. I am a Male. I am named after Rabbi Akiva of the first century AD.

Secondly, I served in the US Army for 6 years, many of them in a combat capacity. Every male in my family going back to the foundation of the US (actually - 1729) has served in the US military or militia. Many family members have died in defense of country.

Thirdly, and most unfortunately, my statement was based on HISTORY and not sentimental new age feelings. People of today do not realize that for THOUSANDS of years the men went out to do (hunter/gatherer/warrior) tasks while the females stayed at home and took care of babies and house. I did not demean either task; however, it has always fallen on the men to do the dying.

Men are as a collective expendable, not as individuals to individual spouses, children, and communties. Women are just too valuable, collectively, to the economy to be sent to war.:salute:

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

First off just for the record. I am a Male. I am named after Rabbi Akiva of the first century AD.

Secondly, I served in the US Army for 6 years, many of them in a combat capacity. Every male in my family going back to the foundation of the US (actually - 1729) has served in the US military or militia. Many family members have died in defense of country.

Thirdly, and most unfortunately, my statement was based on HISTORY and not sentimental new age feelings. People of today do not realize that for THOUSANDS of years the men went out to do (hunter/gatherer/warrior) tasks while the females stayed at home and took care of babies and house. I did not demean either task; however, it has always fallen on the men to do the dying.

Men are as a collective expendable, not as individuals to individual spouses, children, and communties. Women are just too valuable, collectively, to the economy to be sent to war.:salute:

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Well that may be true but it was not needed in this thread about female SNAKES.

it was a mistake, it was not intended to be interperated like that, we all say things that get blown out of proportion when we dont mean them to. However i dont think the whole war analogy pertained to the topic. But in my opinion i believe females are more expensive because they tend to weigh more because of breeding. However thats just the way that i look at it.

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Also as in real life with Human Males, the men are expendable. Males go off to war for God and Country. Females stay home a propagate the peoples. If the females were to go to war, then the Human Race would dissapear. Men may help create babies, but they don't "make" them. Therefor, the female is far more valuable than the male. PERIOD.

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I thought it was a good post. I don't think you should discourage someone from saying something interesting because they explored something slightly off topic.

Akiva was talking about things on a biological or evolutionarily level, not on a personal one.

Do male and female BP's have an equal birth rate?

I typed up an intelligent response but decided not to touch this :)

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I thought it was a good post. I don't think you should discourage someone from saying something interesting because they explored something slightly off topic.

Akiva was talking about things on a biological or evolutionarily level, not on a personal one.

Do male and female BP's have an equal birth rate?

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From what I've seen/heard/read and learned in biology class, yes, 50%

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I thought it was a good post. I don't think you should discourage someone from saying something interesting because they explored something slightly off topic.

Akiva was talking about things on a biological or evolutionarily level, not on a personal one.

Do male and female BP's have an equal birth rate?

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Slightly off topic:eek: .Show me how the price differance between MALE & FEMALE snakes comes even CLOSE to MEN(humans) getting killed in wars :confuzd: .

OK folks, let's try to redirect this back to the original poster's question! :)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

OK folks, let's try to redirect this back to the original poster's question! :)

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Yes Mam :)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

OK folks, let's try to redirect this back to the original poster's question! :)

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Returning...

On another thread a person was saying that they thought their male BP was getting stressed out from all of his breeding. He had already been hooked up to two females and the caretaker thought that having him breed with another female would be too much. The male was much younger than the females, and it was thought by the responders that it might be necessary to give him a rest.

A female can usually only breed and bare fertile eggs once per year. Yet a male can be used to breed with multiple females. Therefor the breeder only needs one male for multiple females. (a point that I made earlier in this thread)

If the breeder wants a particular morph, then that is a different story.

Therefore the expense of the male is far less than that of the female. Just about any male will do the job. BUT a proven female (one that has produced a good clutch) is extreemly valuable. In fact, most breeders will not sell a proven female.

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Returning...

On another thread a person was saying that they thought their male BP was getting stressed out from all of his breeding. He had already been hooked up to two females and the caretaker thought that having him breed with another female would be too much. The male was much younger than the females, and it was thought by the responders that it might be necessary to give him a rest.

A female can usually only breed and bare fertile eggs once per year. Yet a male can be used to breed with multiple females. Therefor the breeder only needs one male for multiple females. (a point that I made earlier in this thread)

If the breeder wants a particular morph, then that is a different story.

Therefore the expense of the male is far less than that of the female. Just about any male will do the job. BUT a proven female (one that has produced a good clutch) is extreemly valuable. In fact, most breeders will not sell a proven female.

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I completely understand for adults and proven breeders, but I meant for babies. Sorry for the wording

The reason females tend to be more expencive is because they are as some have already said the greater half of the breeding equation. Both males and females are needed but females tend to be more of a long term investment from a breeding stand point. So breeders tend to price them higher lets the breeder better control the depreciated value of a morph year to year. It makes since as a breeder to price males whith in the reach of the people that want the morph and females for the soon to be or current breeder/investor. Both get what they want.

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Originally Posted by AkivaSmith

Men are as a collective expendable, not as individuals to individual spouses, children, and communties. Women are just too valuable, collectively, to the economy to be sent to war.:salute:

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Originally Posted by dictionary.com

ex·pend·a·ble [ik-spen-duh-buhl]
–adjective
1. capable of being expended.
2. (of an item of equipment or supply) consumed in use or not reusable.
3. considered to be not worth keeping or maintaining.
4. Military. (of personnel, equipment, or supplies) capable of being sacrificed in order to accomplish a military objective.
–noun
5. Usually, expendables. an expendable person or thing.
[Origin: 1795–1805; expend + -able]

—Related forms
ex·pend·a·bil·i·ty, noun

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Say that we're expendable again. I dare you. Seriously, no human is expendable, ever. Even if you meant def. #4 when you said expendable (which I doubt), I still think that you were out of line with that comment. Women aren't more valuable, they're equal, by law.

I know I couldn't live with out my man! :P And having both a boy, and girl as children, I cherish both of them equally. I would die for my son, that's for sure, not to be morbid. Anyway, back to topic, as some have said, It takes longer to bring a female to breeding size, ( which also = more time and money spent) and are more valuble, money wise,as breeders, so I think that is why they are more expensive, even as babies.

And here I thought we had moved back TOWARDS the original poster's question. :confuzd: