recessive x recessive ?

I have a question....

If you have a homo pied (recessive) mated with a homo albino (recessive)....

Would you produce ... a normal looking snake that is... 100% het pied and 100% het albino?

So then in order to produce an albino pied, you would have to mate this snake up with with another 100% het pied and 100% het albino snake (and get only 12.5% homo because both traits have to be recessive together) or a homo albino/pied that is het for the other trait?

So then...assuming you had a homo pied albino....would a simple mating with a pastel produce lav albino pieds....because pastel is dom?

no wonder these snakes are high in value....:D

am i on target?
(is there a calculator somewhere to determine complex gentics like this?)

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Originally Posted by PipeDADDY

I have a question....

If you have a homo pied (recessive) mated with a homo albino (recessive)....

Would you produce ... a normal looking snake that is... 100% het pied and 100% het albino?
Yup
So then in order to produce an albino pied, you would have to mate this snake up with with another 100% het pied and 100% het albino snake (and get only 12.5% homo because both traits have to be recessive together) or a homo albino/pied that is het for the other trait?
closer to 6.25% with two double hets breeding :(

So then...assuming you had a homo pied albino....would a simple mating with a pastel produce lav albino pieds....because pastel is dom?
Visible albino pied x pastel would produce 1/2 pastels and 1/2 normals that are double het for pied and albino. So you would have normal looking snakes and Pastels, but no visible pieds or albinos.

And no, you said lavendar albino pied.. that is wrong, a lavendar albino is like an albino but different, so youd need to start with a alvender albino and a pied, pastel has no say in the creation of a lav albino pied

no wonder these snakes are high in value....:D

am i on target?
(is there a calculator somewhere to determine complex gentics like this?)





So assuming you had a

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The chances on how the babies will turn out from the double hets being paired up would be

25% het pied het albino
12.5% pied het albino
12.5% albino het pied
12.5% het albino
12.5% het pied
6.25% albino pied
6.25% albino
6.25% pied
6.25% normal

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

The chances on how the babies will turn out from the double hets being paired up would be

25% het pied het albino
12.5% pied het albino
12.5% albino het pied
12.5% het albino
12.5% het pied
6.25% albino pied
6.25% albino
6.25% pied
6.25% normal

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wow

Thanks everyone! This was helpful in my understanding!!!

Now...what makes a lavender albino?

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Originally Posted by PipeDADDY

Thanks everyone! This was helpful in my understanding!!!

Now...what makes a lavender albino?

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A lavendar albino is a morph

A pied is a morph

An albino is a morph


It stands alone :)

I am not 100% sure what it takes to produce them. But the Lav Albino Pieds are hot.

[img ]http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/3/8/0/05_clutch_81_hatched_7.jpg[/img]

You would have to breed a lavender albino x pied to get normal babies that are het for both recessives. Then you would have to breed DH laveder albino/ pied x DH lavender albino/pied. Your clutch breakdown would be the same as posted above, except lavender albino would replace the albino. ;)

I will confess here, i cheated on that percentage break down up there. I used a cornsnake morph calculator, picked two random traits, and just replaced one trait with pied and one with albino when i wrote it down. I could run the square, but why bother with such nice programs just a click away :P

Freaky - correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that pic belong to RDR?

This was great thanks! Quick question...anyone have a link to an up to date list of designer morphs and what trait they are. (recessive;co-dom;dom). I was thinking a table format, rather than individual pages per morph.

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Originally Posted by PipeDADDY

This was great thanks! Quick question...anyone have a link to an up to date list of designer morphs and what trait they are. (recessive;co-dom;dom). I was thinking a table format, rather than individual pages per morph.

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Here is a good start.....there are some not on here, but this will keep you busy thinking for a while ;)

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/mutations.htm

Here is another one....search works great:rolleyes:
http://www.snakeevolutions.com/knownmorphs.html

Vanilla(Thunder) Gulf Coast Reptiles

hmmm...

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

Vanilla(Thunder) Gulf Coast Reptiles

hmmm...

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Yes, some people believe that they are the same ... just like many people believe that lessers, mojaves, and butters are the same thing ... at one time it was thought that spiders and pinstripes were the same ... but last I heard, the people that actually proved out the thunders and vanillas and own the lions share of the captive populations of each believe different ... once again, time will tell. ;) :sweeet:

-adam

Great genetics calculator!!!

http://www.geneticswizard.com/

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