redid the snake room

I redid the room that my snakes are in, added a few things, cleaned up, went shopping, etc, etc. lol.
sooo, here are some pix..

left-right: desplay thing, closet door, dresser, with RTB enclosure on top
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...7/PB132090.jpg

RTBs tub (Cypher)
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...7/PB132094.jpg

BPs tub (Jayvyn)
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...7/PB132092.jpg

het pied. tub (Dakarai) (new!!)
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...7/PB132093.jpg

the redone bed...
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...7/PB132095.jpg

So how come you dont have anyone's homes set up properly?

what do you mean? there are hides in all, im getting a second one for my BPs cage as soon as i go back to the herp store to get food, the humidty is lower than it was in that pix (there is no moisture on the glass anymore), they are covered on a few sides, for extra security, the tubs have air holes, the glass one has holes on the top, their temps are all great, i checked them today, water was filled today, the cloth is not under the heatpads that are under their tanks...i can't see anything wrong with them.

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Originally Posted by Amy1217

what do you mean?

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I think she means that you do not have 2 hides in each tub...that they do not have a hot side or a cool side and do not see any heat sensor wires in there to tell you what you temps and humidity are.

i have a thermometer/humidity checker thing that i got from the herp store, i put it in there twice a day to check the temperatures. My RTB doesnt use his hide, so there is only one in there, and im getting 2 more for the other snake cages. The new cage, for the Het pied does not have a snake in it yet, so im not too concerned about it.

Yeah I mean I see no way of reading the temps and humidity, I see no heat source what's so ever in any tub, no holes have been made in the tubs to release the humidity, the water bowls are off to the side and so on......please use this site and learn how to keep snakes before you get any more...I might come off rude but I'm sorry...I just hate to see people getting more pets when they need to work on the one's they have.
Also, you need a temp gun...dont know if you have one or not, but you need to know what the temp. is off the bottom of each side (hot side and cool side) do you have any way of controling the temps? (thermostat...dimmer switch..etc.) one of our heat pads way back when reached over 116 degrees plugged in with no controls what's so ever.
~Audrey

well..if you'll look there is clearly a cord running out from under two of the tubs (one not plugged in but she doesnt have that snake yet). We cant see to tell if there is a pad for the tank. In the second pic (same tub as the one in the first pic just from a different angle) it is VERY easy to see there are holes down the side of it. One is a glass aquarium, holes in the side of that??? i dont think so. Yea, the top is coverd with cloth, but usually screen lids need covered some anyway. Last i heard having any heat source IN the tub is WRONG. way to easy for burns, bites into cords, etc. As far as the temp gun, i dont see any reason a thermometer layed on the substrate wouldnt give a really close measurement. The pads i use havent got over 90, so not all pads are the super fryers that some of them are. Not saying that some of them wont be entirely too hot, and if they are they do need a thermostat or dimmer, but if they arent too hot then i dont see a problem.

On a completely separate note...why does it matter where the bowl is? The only case i can think of for needin a bowl in a certian spot is if your humidity is low putting them above the heat source. Is there something im missing there? Not being argumentative in this part honestly asking a question.

i do agree there should be a few more hides...but seriously, it might not be a bad idea to ask about heatsources, humidity, etc. before jumping to conclusions.

If you honostly are being smart and think I meant to put holes in the GLASS tank then I'm sorry for you in having to take everything so literally.
Why is the glass tank covered with a cloth with the humidity in that picture is through the roof? If its a screen lid...which I believe it is (I'm not saying "that is a screen lid I know it!) but if it is, she can read up in the tank set up sticky about placing tape over it to help hold in heat and humidity....an issue we faced here with 3 of our glass tanks.
I see heat pads yes, with no way of controlling there out put....excuse me if a million people suggest how to do things in a nice way and it gets no where, I happen to get to the point and stress the importance of taking care of the animals you own before you get any more.
I thought I was lending a hand to someone who needed it, while the out side of the set ups look all pretty and done up, no care has been taking to insure the inside is proper.
I would suggest not handling them until you get the set ups dead on.

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

On a completely separate note...why does it matter where the bowl is? The only case i can think of for needin a bowl in a certian spot is if your humidity is low putting them above the heat source. Is there something im missing there? Not being argumentative in this part honestly asking a question.

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i don't think it matters where you water dish is. i know with really young (hatchling) corns... having the water dish against the side is recommended as the corns often moved around the edges of the tanks so it assists them to find their water. ;)

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

I see no heat source what's so ever in any tub, no holes have been made in the tubs to release the humidity, ~Audrey

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Yea, the holes in glass one was out of line, I appoligize for that. I know its a screen top because ive discussed the tank with her before. Frankly, I was (and still am) a little bothered with the way the husbandry issues were brought up though, which is why my post was rather heated. But, an uncontroled heat pad (which may or may not be perfectly fine in the first place, only a temp reading can tell us for sure) is completely different than "no heat source what so ever", and the holes are pretty easy to see i think. I had NO problem seeing them in the second pic and the pic for the other tub isnt clear enough in my book to tell, so maybe a legit argument there, but the post does say that there are holes. I also have to agree the humidity is to high in that pic, but provided it is checked (as she says it is) that should show it self very soon and the problem corrected. The cover was new at the time of the pics, and when adjusting set ups chages do have to be made, as conditions adjust. I do agree with using tape to help control humitity with screen tops, but, there is often more than one right way to achieve the same proper result. I do think it would be good for hot and cool side temps, and humity to be posted here, just for the sake of having the info and not having to assume anything.

I would still like to know your view about the water bowls off to the side part.

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

Yea, the holes in glass one was out of line, I appoligize for that. I know its a screen top because ive discussed the tank with her before. Frankly, I was (and still am) a little bothered with the way the husbandry issues were brought up though, which is why my post was rather heated. But, an uncontroled heat pad (which may or may not be perfectly fine in the first place, only a temp reading can tell us for sure) is completely different than "no heat source what so ever", and the holes are pretty easy to see i think. I had NO problem seeing them in the second pic and the pic for the other tub isnt clear enough in my book to tell, so maybe a legit argument there, but the post does say that there are holes. I also have to agree the humidity is to high in that pic, but provided it is checked (as she says it is) that should show it self very soon and the problem corrected. The cover was new at the time of the pics, and when adjusting set ups chages do have to be made, as conditions adjust. I do agree with using tape to help control humitity with screen tops, but, there is often more than one right way to achieve the same proper result. I do think it would be good for hot and cool side temps, and humity to be posted here, just for the sake of having the info and not having to assume anything.

I would still like to know your view about the water bowls off to the side part.

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Only thing I disagree with is in bold.

I have a hard time believing an uncontrolled heat pad puts the temperature in the right range. I've used several tub/aquarium setups and several brands of heat pads, and all of the pads would go up well past 100 degrees without a thermostat.

I suppose with the right amount of padding in between the heat pad and the tank, and some crazy adjustments, and a heat pad that doesnt vary, you might ? :eek: ? manage to get it with in the appropriate range, but that seems like a rather large stretch :).

That being said, we have to make efforts when giving suggestions/correcting peoples setups, as we almost never have all of the information from a few pictures. (example, hard to see holes, cords hidden away, etc)

example:

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So how come you dont have anyone's homes set up properly?

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I don't see the heating setup in those pictures, are you providing a hot spot on one side controlled with a thermostat? Also your one tub doesn't seem to have two hides, is there a reason for this? Additionally you may want to invest in a temp gun as it allows quicker/more accurate reading of both sides of the enclosure

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Is much more helpful.

I'm not meaning to point fingers, it is just important to realize that tone/inflection/meaning are lost on the internet when someone doesn't know you, and all they have to read are your words.

yeah, the cloth was moved over the holes in the tank for the picture, it is a screen top, and i have part of it covered by tinfoil, which is where the cloth is on top of it, and the rest is open, so the humidity doesnt get too high. The only thing i can see myself guilty of is not enough hides. I went to the herp store on my way home tonight, but they changed their hours, so they were closed :(

Audrey: I understand that you want to help, but it was quite rude how you went about it. If you were trying to give me advice, then give me advice, not just critisizing, and coming back and saying what you had to say after everybody was in a huff. My snakes are happy and healthy. Always get fed on time, always shed in one piece, temperatures are dead on, humidity is increased when they are going to shed, they are perfectly healthy. I am missing a hide, thats it. A little less critizism without knowing what you are talking about would have really been nice. piranhaking is a great friend of mine, we talk for hours and hours a day, you really didnt have to jump the gun with him either.

My heating pads are a few months old, and they have always been at great temperatures, i check twice a day, so i dont have a dimmer or anything on there, as soon as i see the temperatures starting to vary, or them getting to hot, ill go ahead and get a thermostat or a dimmer, most likely a thermostat, i have heard better things about those.

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Originally Posted by Amy1217

My heating pads are a few months old, and they have always been at great temperatures, i check twice a day, so i dont have a dimmer or anything on there, as soon as i see the temperatures starting to vary, or them getting to hot, ill go ahead and get a thermostat or a dimmer, most likely a thermostat, i have heard better things about those.

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Not trying to be rude, but IMO it's better to be safe than sorry. I would suggest getting a thermostat as soon as possible. If cost is an issue, i'm sure with a little searching on this site, you can find suggestions for an inexpensive reliable thermostat or rheostat.

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Originally Posted by Amy1217

My heating pads are a few months old, and they have always been at great temperatures, i check twice a day, so i dont have a dimmer or anything on there, as soon as i see the temperatures starting to vary, or them getting to hot, ill go ahead and get a thermostat or a dimmer, most likely a thermostat, i have heard better things about those.

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Going to disagree there. An UTH heats up to 110ºF no problem. Max that I've seen is 130ºF with a Zoo Med (room temp. was 80-82, though). If you don't have a ton of barriers (just the bottom of the tank and substrate will NOT do), it can and does get hot enough to burn. I suggest getting a thermostat, such as a Johnsons or Ranco, or even a Helix/Herpstat, because without them, it is very possible for your snake(s) to get burned.

Edit: Also, how are you taking the temperatures? Is it a digital thermometer? Are you measuring at the top of the substrate or down on the glass/plastic? If it's not digital and is being measured on the top of the substrate, I can almost guarantee that it's an inaccurate reading.

That is what most people say, but like i said, i check them twice a day, and am careful about it, and Home Depot is about a 2 minute drive with traffic. lol. They have stayed at the same temperatures perfectly for months now, i dont see a reason to change something that isnt broken, buttt i am prepared to in a minutes notice if something looks finicky!

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Originally Posted by RockSolid

Not trying to be rude, but IMO it's better to be safe than sorry. I would suggest getting a thermostat as soon as possible. If cost is an issue, i'm sure with a little searching on this site, you can find suggestions for an inexpensive reliable thermostat or rheostat.

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How are you measuring the temps twice a day? Also, are you sure there is no fluctuation in the temps when you aren't measuring the temps? I use a thermometer that has a min/max memory so I can check to see what the temps have been when I am not looking at the thermometer and the thermometer is in the enclosure 24/7. We're just trying to help you with keeping your snakes healthy, but if you want to go with "why fix something that isn't broken" well then good luck to ya.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Only thing I disagree with is in bold.

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The only reason i say that is the pads i was using to begin with were running right at 90 (i forget exactly, but 90-92) with just enough substrate to cover the bottom. That was too hot for me because ive got corns, so i ended up going with a cable and using it for all the tanks, so i could use one dimmer. That being said, I know that in most cases ive read the heat pads were to much and did need to be backed off some. I made several changes in that post before i left it alone and one of them was adding the part that only a temp reading would tell us for sure if it was ok or not, because i know most pads are known for being too hot.

I also see what your saying about people comming across wrong but when comments like "instead of being nice and getting nowhere i get to the point" (not meant to be a direct quote in any way so dont take it to be) are made, it seems to me that the tone that come across is exactly what they meant.

I'll admit i was ranting when i started in this thread, and maybe i should have waited a while before i said anything, but I cant edit that now. I am glad this thread hasnt resorted to negative points like some disagreements lately have, and I applaud all participating for that. I also look forward to hearing back from everone else thats participating in this thread so we can get this settled down to a civil discussion like things should be (aiming that one at myself as much as anything)

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Originally Posted by RockSolid

How are you measuring the temps twice a day? Also, are you sure there is no fluctuation in the temps when you aren't measuring the temps? I use a thermometer that has a min/max memory so I can check to see what the temps have been when I am not looking at the thermometer and the thermometer is in the enclosure 24/7. We're just trying to help you with keeping your snakes healthy, but if you want to go with "why fix something that isn't broken" well then good luck to ya.

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i mean that just in context with the thermostat. I check the temps in the mornings before i leave, when i get home, and then if i can feel a diffrence in the outside air, then ill check it again at night. I understand you all are trying to help. I just havn't had a problem with temps. I keep my room at a good temp to accomidate the snakes....The weather is starting to get colder though, so i think im going to get some thermostats...

I guess I am more curious than anything. What type of heat pad are you using?

I could see a heat pad designed specifically for BP's would hit the right temps, but most are universal and allow higher temps (100ish) in order to account for other reptiles.

If the manufacturer says it will stay at 90ish degrees, then that's nifty. If they say it varies, then waiting until you notice a problem could be too late. (IE you measure in the am, for some reason it heats up to its max temp, you check in the pm and the snake has been subjected to super high temps all day).

I think most people are pushing the thermostat/dimmer so hard because we all would rather err on the side of caution, rather than trusting a mass produced item that can fail. (note the irony, because the thermostat can fail too :)

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

I also see what your saying about people comming across wrong but when comments like "instead of being nice and getting nowhere i get to the point" (not meant to be a direct quote in any way so dont take it to be) are made, it seems to me that the tone that come across is exactly what they meant.

I'll admit i was ranting when i started in this thread, and maybe i should have waited a while before i said anything, but I cant edit that now. I am glad this thread hasnt resorted to negative points like some disagreements lately have, and I applaud all participating for that. I also look forward to hearing back from everone else thats participating in this thread so we can get this settled down to a civil discussion like things should be (aiming that one at myself as much as anything)

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Yeah. its just frustrating when people say that you are wrong and jump on your case with no real explination or support...but the ones that were trying to help me, i totally understand that....i apprecaite the help.

yeah, most definatley...I honestly dont remember what kind of heat pad i am using, but i bought it from the local herp store (im so lucky i have one), and all i remember is it had a picture of a snake on the front of it...ill have to go back to the store and see what brand it was.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

I guess I am more curious than anything. What type of heat pad are you using?

I could see a heat pad designed specifically for BP's would hit the right temps, but most are universal and allow higher temps (100ish) in order to account for other reptiles.

If the manufacturer says it will stay at 90ish degrees, then that's nifty. If they say it varies, then waiting until you notice a problem could be too late. (IE you measure in the am, for some reason it heats up to its max temp, you check in the pm and the snake has been subjected to super high temps all day).

I think most people are pushing the thermostat/dimmer so hard because we all would rather err on the side of caution, rather than trusting a mass produced item that can fail. (note the irony, because the thermostat can fail too :)

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nice pics

i have a question about the hides, is it absoultely necessary to have two hides.

i know that having two identical hides maximizes the potential for the snake to feel secure enough to eat etc. but i've seen breeders have zero hides in some tubs (i do reccomend at least one hide), and then one in some tubs...so is two absolutely neccessary?

i would suggest a dimmer of some sort at least.. i wouldnt trust my a UTH without any dimmer/thermostat

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Originally Posted by Kizerk

nice pics

i have a question about the hides, is it absoultely necessary to have two hides.

i know that having two identical hides maximizes the potential for the snake to feel secure enough to eat etc. but i've seen breeders have zero hides in some tubs (i do reccomend at least one hide), and then one in some tubs...so is two absolutely neccessary?

i would suggest a dimmer of some sort at least.. i wouldnt trust my a UTH without any dimmer/thermostat

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Two hides = a snake doesnt have to choose.

Do I want to be secure, or do I want to thermoregulate.

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Do I want to be secure, or do I want to thermoregulate.

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what?

the snake will have to thermoregulate regardless of how many hides, do you mean, do they want to feel more secure when thermoregulating?

I also have a question, kinda branches from Kizerks. From what i've read balls live in termite mounds in very cramped closed quarters, so i see why hides are such a big issue with them. Are all snakes that particular about them? Also, in my case I was using a metal shelf/cart on wheels, and the shelves the tanks were on were pretty thin, so i may have been losing some heat out the bottom. That may be why mine worked as they did. I dont remember brand either, but ill post it tomorrow if i can remember to look.

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Originally Posted by Kizerk

what?

the snake will have to thermoregulate regardless of how many hides, do you mean, do they want to feel more secure when thermoregulating?

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I am cold, I want to warm up, but my hide is only on the cold side. I have a choice, I can move to the warm side, and feel unsecure, or I can stay on the cold side in my hide and feel secure but be cold :(.


Hence 2 hides, one on warm one on cold, so the snake doesnt have to choose between being at a proper temperature, and feeling secure.

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I am cold, I want to warm up, but my hide is only on the cold side. I have a choice, I can move to the warm side, and feel unsecure, or I can stay on the cold side in my hide and feel secure but be cold .


Hence 2 hides, one on warm one on cold, so the snake doesnt have to choose between being at a proper temperature, and feeling secure.

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gotcha :) i do have one snake that is like that, she gets two hides

As far as no hides?

If you have a big snake in a small tub, in a dark rack, and they eat regularly and don't seem stressed, that could be a situation where they dont "need" a hide.

I have some snakes, that I provide hides for, who Ive never seen use them. Others live in their hides practically.

They just need two hides, period. If there are breeders out there with one hide, or none, it is probably because the tubs they use are small and almost act like hides themselves, being cozy and smaller; I guess..
As for not putting a dimmer on your UTH.. prepare for meltdown!

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Originally Posted by Kizerk

gotcha :) i do have one snake that is like that, she gets two hides

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I guess I don't understand the 1 hide perspective.

I understand the 0 hide perspective, but in my mind it is either 0 or 2. If they need a hide to feel secure, why wouldnt they want to feel secure on both the warm and the cold side?

well the other two, they seem to go on both hot/cool spots just fine, and they're eating consistently....

it was one girl, who i noticed always stayed in one area... so yea

i have the one hide for just incase...

We have our het. pied in a hatchling rack we got from Neil Golli, its tiny and black so it acts like a hide, he said with his hatchlings and there tubs (in the rack) he doesnt use hides....I could only imagine the one inch space the poor snake would have after putting 2 hides and a water dish in there.

And on to the point:

I was commenting on the water dish because...she says her humidity is perfect...usually you place a water dish off to either side..if it is to high or to low when have a light over head, I dont know if that light gives off any heat...being that it was hard to tell if she was using any sort of UTH...and that some tank owners tend to use both UTH and over head heating, heck I used it in our 55 gallon just because of the location of the tank (it was in the coolest room) so I was wondering....if the humidity is perfect, then why was the water dish under the light? Usually you do this to help bring down the humidity, looking at the tank in the picture it seemed like something that needed to be done anyway. So I was curious. And I have owned 3 diffrent UTH...all have gotten way to hot..this comes from checking it every half hour. And no I didnt mean to type "I dont see any holes" I meant to type "I dont know if thats enough holes" I went back and edited it..but I guess it didnt get send...everyone gather round and stone me now..as I am the first person to make a mistake...

Thats fine with me if people want to treat me like the village *******, if I came off that way excuse me. I'm passing on helpful information that I think everyone should know, the other posts on here about basic care and the care sheets all give there information plain and simple....some people just dont get it unless its given in a diffrent way.

While everyone else comments on how great the decor is, I get to the point.... some people might view this as a positive thing to have.... not you guys I guess. :cool:

I think plenty of people over the time she has been on this site have suggested in a more then nice tone for her to change this or do that.. something we all do to everyone....we also hope it doesnt fall on deaf ears...has it?
Hell, I didnt think I was actually hurting anyone's feelings to begine with, excuse me if during the day I am busy taking care of a toddler, 6 of my own snakes, 3 cats, 2 dogs and everything else that goes into running my life, only after hours (like this..and nap times) do I get to sit and type anything worth reading....so yes...I will do a one liner....read it as you will...just stop reading into it.
And also Amy I think it's pretty rude of you to one day as me for a ride to a show and act all friendly , and the next to call me rude and act as if I'm the enemy.....

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We have our het. pied in a hatchling rack we got from Neil Golli, its tiny and black so it acts like a hide, he said with his hatchlings and there tubs (in the rack) he doesnt use hides....I could only imagine the one inch space the poor snake would have after putting 2 hides and a water dish in there.

And on to the point:

I was commenting on the water dish because...she says her humidity is perfect...usually you place a water dish off to either side..if it is to high or to low when have a light over head, I dont know if that light gives off any heat...being that it was hard to tell if she was using any sort of UTH...and that some tank owners tend to use both UTH and over head heating, heck I used it in our 55 gallon just because of the location of the tank (it was in the coolest room) so I was wondering....if the humidity is perfect, then why was the water dish under the light? Usually you do this to help bring down the humidity, looking at the tank in the picture it seemed like something that needed to be done anyway. So I was curious. And I have owned 3 diffrent UTH...all have gotten way to hot..this comes from checking it every half hour. And no I didnt mean to type "I dont see any holes" I meant to type "I dont know if thats enough holes" I went back and edited it..but I guess it didnt get send...everyone gather round and stone me now..as I am the first person to make a mistake...

I keep the water on that side because it is over the heat source, the light gives off some heat, but it is not used as a heat source, but the humidty stays at a good level the way it is set up, i do mist it when he is going to shed though.

Thats fine with me if people want to treat me like the village *******, if I came off that way excuse me. I'm passing on helpful information that I think everyone should know, the other posts on here about basic care and the care sheets all give there information plain and simple....some people just dont get it unless its given in a diffrent way.

It was just bothersome because you only said that it was wrong at first, and did not give any constructive critizism...i am fine with critisim as long as it helps me get things on the right track instead of just saying its wrong

While everyone else comments on how great the decor is, I get to the point.... some people might view this as a positive thing to have.... not you guys I guess. :cool:

I think plenty of people over the time she has been on this site have suggested in a more then nice tone for her to change this or do that.. something we all do to everyone....we also hope it doesnt fall on deaf ears...has it?

I dont know if you recall, but when i first came to this site, my snake had no heat, no regular light schedule, nothing that a snake needed, and you all helped me change everything, so now he has heat, humidity, and everything that a healthy snake will need. yes, he is missing a hide, but i went to get him another one tonight, but the herp. store hours are changed. :rolleyes:

Hell, I didnt think I was actually hurting anyone's feelings to begine with, excuse me if during the day I am busy taking care of a toddler, 6 of my own snakes, 3 cats, 2 dogs and everything else that goes into running my life, only after hours (like this..and nap times) do I get to sit and type anything worth reading....so yes...I will do a one liner....read it as you will...just stop reading into it.

And also Amy I think it's pretty rude of you to one day as me for a ride to a show and act all friendly , and the next to call me rude and act as if I'm the enemy.....

We were fine untill this thread. I have never had a problem with you, i still dont have a problem with you. You never have been the enemy. You PMed me the other day and said congrats on my new het. pied (which i thought was pretty nice of you), but you come across to me on me in this thread. We all have problems in our lives, trust me, i have a lot going on, it is not a reason to loose all manners though.
It seems like all derived from a couple of typos and some miscommunication, and it just blew up. I know we all have our rough days, and that probably played a big role in this too. Can we just put the fight in the past get back to business as usual?

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*offers cookies to all*

anyone want a chocolate covered oreo?

how can you fight with oreo in your teeth?

I'll take a cookie! :P


Please?

you got it! :chew:

Spanks! ;)

I use UTHs by Zoomed. They are great when hooked up to a dimmer; I measure my temps daily and there's nothing wrong. But if you have no dimmer, you are putting you and your family in danger. If it gets too hot, it can melt plastic..
I was always taught that the water bowl should never be above the UTH; it will warm the water too much and make it more of a breeding ground for bacteria. Also, how can your UTH be providing a nice warm hidespot with a bowl atop it?
Aud has some great points; I would not be assuming that she is out to upset you; she is trying to help.

I understand that everyone on here has helped you realize what you need to do and that you have made changes for the better, but you still have some progress to make. Heck we all do, I'm tinkering with my racks right now.
But yes, the water on your UTH that isnt controlled will make the water way to hot, and breed bacteria that can really harm your snake if he soaks in it or drinks it.
We have all said nicely ... maybe some more nice then others, that you need a rheo-stat, dimmer switch, thermostat, etc. etc. on the UTH but you seem to think "If it's working now...who cares"
People that have owned snakes for longer then you, and who have seen the problems these issues can make are trying to help you but your not listening, so I got a little more then ticked at your responses.
I live in the sticks, so everything is a drive for me, and I have a toddler...which can make a 1 hour drive a living hell on some days...most days. Yet I drive 2 hours to the vet. 2 hours to the reptile store, and in the middle of the night I'm driving around town trying to rig a tub. to last through the night (when we had a guy give us 2 BP's while standing in our reptile store at 9pm one night) they sell everything all Wal-Mart to atleast hold you over until you make to home depot, bring a $20 to Wal-Mart and get what you need.
There isnt a thing that distance or money could put in front of me that I wouldnt do for my snakes....that's the responsability each snake owner takes on when they own a snake...some just dont get it or care.
I'm just worried that you will get Adam's snake and treat it like you are your other snakes, hate me if you will..but I'm here to make sure the snakes are happy...not to make sure I'm not hurting someone's feelings.

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

I understand that everyone on here has helped you realize what you need to do and that you have made changes for the better, but you still have some progress to make. Heck we all do, I'm tinkering with my racks right now.
But yes, the water on your UTH that isnt controlled will make the water way to hot, and breed bacteria that can really harm your snake if he soaks in it or drinks it.
We have all said nicely ... maybe some more nice then others, that you need a rheo-stat, dimmer switch, thermostat, etc. etc. on the UTH but you seem to think "If it's working now...who cares"
People that have owned snakes for longer then you, and who have seen the problems these issues can make are trying to help you but your not listening, so I got a little more then ticked at your responses.
I live in the sticks, so everything is a drive for me, and I have a toddler...which can make a 1 hour drive a living hell on some days...most days. Yet I drive 2 hours to the vet. 2 hours to the reptile store, and in the middle of the night I'm driving around town trying to rig a tub. to last through the night (when we had a guy give us 2 BP's while standing in our reptile store at 9pm one night) they sell everything all Wal-Mart to atleast hold you over until you make to home depot, bring a $20 to Wal-Mart and get what you need.
There isnt a thing that distance or money could put in front of me that I wouldnt do for my snakes....that's the responsability each snake owner takes on when they own a snake...some just dont get it or care.
I'm just worried that you will get Adam's snake and treat it like you are your other snakes, hate me if you will..but I'm here to make sure the snakes are happy...not to make sure I'm not hurting someone's feelings.

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I know you are here to help....I went to the herp store today (they changed their hours, they are only open untill 6 not 9 :() , got one more hide, and im getting another on thursday or friday, they only had one of the size that i needed, so im going to go back and get another. So what im going to do is....take the hide out of Cyphers, and put it into the new snake's cage (they are the same thing, diffrent colors), then put the one that is in Jayvyn's tank into Cypher's tub, and then get 2 new identical hides for Jayvyn, one of which i got today, and the other is going to be here on thursday..

I got 1 thermostat because im not sure if i need another for the tub, so here is the question that im posing, the bottom of the tub that i have them in is not perfectly flat, so not all of the heat mat is on the surface, it still gets and stays at the correct temperatures, but it will not get as hot as the one on the glass tank because it is not touching the whole surface. i can get another thermostat for the tubs, but im not sure if i need to... do i? I can take a pix of how much is directly on there, and how much is not if neccisary.
About the water: It is there now because when i had it farther away, he would get ontop of the hide, and stretch across to the water to drink. If it is right next to the hide, he doesnt need to stretch like that, yeah, he could just drink like a normal snake, but i used to have him right next to the computer (which i am on a lot), and thats what he would always do. I moved it next to the hide so he can get to it easier, now that im putting another hide in there, i can move it to the cooler side, and he can still get to it just as easy. That might change my humidity, but, i know how to regulate that.
I'll post some more pictures of the enclosures on thurday or friday, after i have gotten the other hide....Which will be good because everything will be set before the new snake comes. When should i start regulating the temperatures on the new tub? He is coming on the 29th, i have heard to do it a week in advance, but i want to make sure that's right, and everything is set.

Thanks all

Oh, and Aleesha, Oreos are great....i'll bring the milk:)