What morph to buy?

Hi,
I currently have 1 female bp (ready to breed in 2008) and am looking into getting some morphs. If you had $2000 to spend, which morph/s would you buy and why, in terms of a starting breeding project?

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Originally Posted by Grimmie

Hi,
I currently have 1 female bp (ready to breed in 2008) and am looking into getting some morphs. If you had $2000 to spend, which morph/s would you buy and why, in terms of a starting breeding project?

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Spiders or mojaves and some more females. Don't assume that it will be ready in 2008, you never know how it will grow or when it will be sexually mature. I would get spiders just because they look cool and are a dominant morph and mojaves for the same reason except for being co-doms

Indeed, it was an estimate based on her current rate of growth, although i'm in no rush and aware she might not be ready/heavy enough. But yeah i was thinking of getting a female spider, male pastel and normal female. What does everyone else think?

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Originally Posted by Grimmie

Indeed, it was an estimate based on her current rate of growth, although i'm in no rush and aware she might not be ready/heavy enough. But yeah i was thinking of getting a female spider, male pastel and normal female. What does everyone else think?

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For just $2k, I would get a male dom or co dom and some normals to start off. It will more than likely produce some visuals each year and can be bred much smaller and younger than a female. Plus, it can be bred to multiple normal females

You should do pastel and normal females and male spider, if you like that combo. I think a female pastel is best for breeding because so many of the great morph combos include pastel. I like pastel females for breeders. You could also get a cinny and do pewters with a pastel.

albino male and het female spider mlae pastel female = bumble bee hypos axanthics lets see what else pair het pied there are so many

if you want to breed your female, then go ahead and get a spider or a pinstripe, because they are dominant genes. Would be best with a normal, or atleast the most money maker. lol. But, if you are willing to get a breeding pair, i would say, go with het. pied. im all for pieds, they are simply cool. i love them. (hugs adam for my het. pied on the way :) )

Every gene type has its' pros and cons. Here is a short list of each

Recessive:
Pros-can be cheaper to make if you are willing to wait and deal with hets
Cons-Your odds of producing visuals are pretty slim if breeding het x het. The female hets tend to cost a good bit more than males. You also run the risk of receiving a snake that is not a true het, so make sure you buy from a reputable breeder, not a middle-man.

Co-dom and dom:
Pros-You can buy a male for lower than a female and breed to a normal female to make some visuals. Your odds doing this are 50% so still not a guarantee. You can breed visual x visual and hope for a super which can breed to normals and make all visuals.
Cons: Tend to be more expensive than recessive visuals with the exception of a few.

which morph do you like the best? what is the one you keep staring at?


vaughn

A Cinny, a spider an another normal female would be my recommendation.

I would suggest, male spider, female pastel, and if ya have anything left some norm females (could get a deal if you buy them all from the same breeder). That way you can get bees, and spiders and all that jazz. Good Luck!


~mike

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Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior

I would suggest, male spider, female pastel, and if ya have anything left some norm females (could get a deal if you buy them all from the same breeder). That way you can get bees, and spiders and all that jazz. Good Luck!


~mike

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a male spider and female pastel would most likely knock out almost all that $2k if not all

IMO...co-dom, recessive, doesn't matter.

Pick a morph that fits your budget and one you like to look at, because you'll be cleaning doo up for a couple of years before you can even take a second thought at breeding.

For $2k, at this years prices, you've got a lot of options. Pastel, Spider, Mojave, Albino, Hypo, YB...pick one you like the best.

Male? For 2008? Why not think about it until spring at least?

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Originally Posted by kavmon

which morph do you like the best? what is the one you keep staring at?


vaughn

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This is some of the best advice that I would give anyone trying to pick something to add to a breeding project. Do some research and go with what you like and not what everybody else says. Don't get me wrong, there are several good suggestions here but in the end, you are the one caring for the snake.

Decide which morph you like the best first... keeping and breeding snakes gets to be harder work, more timely, and more costly. Make sure you really like the snakes you are working so hard for.

If you like one of the super forms of the co-doms, get a pair of those co-doms so you can produce it.

If you like one of the recessive traits the best, get a pair of hets so you can produce it.

That's my advice... :P :)

Thanks for all the advice. I fell in love with spiders when i first saw them (almost shelled out for one as my first snake, the gf talked me out of it...) and then nearly died of a heart attack when i saw bumblebee's. They are without a questions my favourite morphs. I'm not a fan of many of the recessive morphs although i do like Axanthic but not as much as spiders (prehaps in the future). Tbh i'm not breeding because i want the money, i'm just using it as an excuse to justify to myself why i can spend so much money on them lol (my gf is still unconvinced, but i think shes yielded because of my determination lol).
I'm speaking to a couple of breeders atm and hoping i can get a male spider, female pastel and a normal female for $2000(ish) + $500 shipping. But we'll see, i want too many snakes for my budget really.

Get what you really like even if it take's 2,000 dollar's on one morph.Remember the breeding part come's later and trust me you'll steadily get more ball pythons as you go. I'd start off with recessive morph's.

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Originally Posted by kavmon

which morph do you like the best? what is the one you keep staring at?


vaughn

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I agree with this, choose what you love, not what others suggest that you get - which reminds me, I've got someone to call very soon to discuss my next "dream" snake! :D

Male spider and female pastel isn't a bad pair of snakes own... You pretty much stated that the bumble bees are your favorite so why not venture towards purchasing the pair. I'm sure if you talk to a reputable breeder and offer to buy the pair from them they may even give you a *pair* deal as well considering you would be buying the two highend morphs from them. Just make sure that the animal's you purchase are the ones that truly catch your eye or heart. A few people have already mentioned a good point that whatever you go with you will be cleaning up after, caring and looking at for many years to come. Good luck on your purchase and keep us updated on what you decide to do.


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Make sure you can afford it... you don't want to end up with high end snakes that you can't afford to provide the proper care for. :)