Help!!!! Immediantly!!! NOT an Emergency!!!

I don’t know if I should get this girl or not, here’s all the e-mails, someone help me make a decision!! I don’t know what to do!! At the BOTTOM is the first e-mail, top is the one I got today. End of this message is the photo of the snake herself.



ok i will ship to you if you can make it 300.i need to get her out ok.overnight shipping is 75 extra.shipping is same day and we will ship very carefully and in safe packs.we will ship in styro boxes,well ventilated in summer and heated in winter so that live arrival is guaranteed.

cheers



On 11/12/06, Styx Leagon <wolfleagon@hotmail.com> wrote:

Don't hold her on my account, I'm trying to think if I can afford her. I
only work part time and I just spent a lot of money. ^^;



>From: "alonso jammy"

>To: "Styx Leagon" <wolfleagon@hotmail.com >
>Subject: Re: ball pythons(clown male and cinnamon)
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:50:31 +0100
>
>hello,
>are you there?hope to hear from you soon.
>
>
>On 11/7/06, alonso jammy wrote:
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>>she is baptive bred.dikielreptiles produced the Cinny in 2005
>>himself......she eats live e-small rats
>>every seven days.....she is flawless.
>>cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11/5/06, Styx Leagon <wolfleagon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll need a bit more info to make a decision, so if you can just bear
>> > with
>> > me. ;3
>> >
>> > Is she wild caught ot captive bred? If CB what breeder did she come
>> > from
>> > and what's her hatch date? How long have you had her? How well does
>> > she
>> > feed and have you hard her tested for parasites when you imported her?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "alonso jammy"
>> > >To: "Styx Leagon" <wolfleagon@hotmail.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: ball pythons(clown male and cinnamon)
>> > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 01:31:29 +0100
>> > >
>> > >oh hi,sry it took longer for me to get back to you.i don't have
>> > >internet yet in my new home.i sent the pic of the female cinny
>> > >anyway.i know she will be good for the taking.get back as soon as you
>> > >can.
>> > >cheers
>> > >
>> > >On 11/2/06, Styx Leagon < wolfleagon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>Did you get those photos of the cin?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >From: "alonso jammy"
>> > >> >To: wolfleagon@hotmail.com
>> > >> >Subject: Re: ball pythons(clown male and cinnamon)
>> > >> >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:12:29 -0800
>> > >> >
>> > >> >hi,thanks for the mail.both snakes are still available.hopefully we
>> > >>shall
>> > >> >be
>> > >> >having a deal.i will get her pic soon.we shipped her from
>>equitorial
>> > >> >guinea,africa last year when she was still a baby cinny.she is
>>about
>> > the
>> > >> >range of juvenile and sub adult now.i hardly will know.
>> > >> >cheers


>> > >> >>Ad Title: ball pythons(clown male and cinnamon)
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Is your cin still available? If so could you provide some photos
>> > and
>> > >>let
>> > >> >>me know a little bit about where she came from?
>> > >> >>

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13..._cinny_f_2.jpg

Seems a bit 'red light' to me I'd run the other way.

What does that mean, exactly? lol I'm new to cins, and that's why I need help. Plus they're a harder morph since they are so... similer to normals sometimes and different from one another.

You won't find a Cinny for 300 even though prices are fallling and they aren't that difficult to distinquish from normals. If it sounds too good to be true Styx it normally is.

I think the "red light" thoughts stems from the urgency. The seller seems extremely eager to sell. $300 for a cinny would be a good deal but....

we shipped her from
>>equitorial
>> > >> >guinea,africa last year when she was still a baby cinny.

>>she is baptive bred.dikielreptiles produced the Cinny in 2005
>>himself......

:confused: Am I missing something? Is he saying that dikielreptiles is the breeder? The way < I've > read it, is that the snake is actually captive HATCHED, not captive BRED, and that this dikielreptiles has bred cinnys, but not necessarily THIS one.

It reads like a scam to me, but I'm still learning the ropes. Maybe someone on the BOI knows these breeders/sellers??????????????

Seems to me he's contradicting himself

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we shipped her from equitorial guinea,africa last year when she was still a baby cinny.she is about the range of juvenile and sub adult now.i hardly will know.

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she is baptive bred.dikielreptiles produced the Cinny in 2005 himself

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Methinks he would get $300 and you would get nothing, especially seeing how eager he is to get this deal done NOW!

If it walks like a duck........

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Originally Posted by sweety314

I think the "red light" thoughts stems from the urgency. The seller seems extremely eager to sell. $300 for a cinny would be a good deal but....

we shipped her from
>>equitorial
>> > >> >guinea,africa last year when she was still a baby cinny.

>>she is baptive bred.dikielreptiles produced the Cinny in 2005
>>himself......

:confused: Am I missing something? Is he saying that dikielreptiles is the breeder? The way < I've > read it, is that the snake is actually captive HATCHED, not captive BRED, and that this dikielreptiles has bred cinnys, but not necessarily THIS one.

It reads like a scam to me, but I'm still learning the ropes. Maybe someone on the BOI knows these breeders/sellers??????????????

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We think alike, you posted as I was typing my response!

I just checked BOI - no matches

Where did you find this guy? I smell fish

Entropy, so how can you tell for sure if it's a cin? And hence the reason I have not said yes. ^^;

sweety314, I don't know, it's hard to understand. I can't post on the BOI either to ask. I've registered, but I'm not sure why I can't do anthing in that part of the forum.

plus, does that snake look like its in the early stages of a shed cycle to anyone as much as it does to me? you can see the cloudiness on the black pattern already. also, i know when my snakes start a shed cycle the light brown/golden pattern turns cinnamon colored exactly like that. that snake could be (and i think it is) completely normal. i wouldnt do it.

I haven't been to Fauna for a while (too much bickering and too little time on the work PC...I'd rather be HERE :D ) but last I knew you had to pay a membership fee for the BOI. Just free registering won't work for the BOI.


I googled the name and the 3 diff. versions / varieties were all duds....no results. I'd keep my $300 and use it towards a purchase from someone more reliable.


**Thx Robin....Great minds, and all that. :rolleyes:

Mine never looks like that when he's about to shed so I would not have even know about that had you not said something.

Edit: I said no, I can't afford her at all. Just gonna go with my original plan and keep saving for one from Xdeus.

The belly and the floating pattern indicate cinny on that snake pictured. And before people bash the snake remember this might not even be his snake. Scammers tend to steal pictures.

Also true.

i'm concerned over how many of your questions went unanswered. regarding parasites, hatch date for example.

personally... unless you are comfy paying $300 for a normal male... i wouldn't do the deal!

when purchasing an animal which you can't see for yourself, probe for yourself (or take it somewhere to get it probed for you) then you need to have a level of trust with the seller. i doesn't sound like you have that with this person.

i'm buying some hets from adam. i trust him 100% - i believe that he's going to sell me and send me exactly what i'm paying for... the trust is there so the deal is being done. ;)

no trust... no deal.

oh and one more thing... no deal... no deal... no deal when purchasing a live animal should be this urgent!

just my opinion ;)

Agreed.

:hug: :wuv:

Sorry but I'm still trying to figure out how this is a "Help!!! Immediantly!!! Emergency!!!" situation? :confused: Anyways, remember that all seemingly good deals aren't and buying from someone who is pressuring you for a fast purchase should always be a bit of a red flag (well unless you are one of those can't make up your mind type buyers and the breeder is just getting sick of you - even the best of breeders must lose their patience with that at some point LOL).

If you look at the ID card, it says that the sex is unknown. It has a resemblance to the cinnies I have seen, but I dought it. 300$ for a Cinnie is to good to be true.

The more I thought about it last night, if you had come back to him and said "I only have $150, will you take that?" and he replied yes, then it would confirm "scam" to me. He's just waiting for money to be paypal'd to him, and likely is offering this "girl" to multiple people.

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Originally Posted by sweety314

I haven't been to Fauna for a while (too much bickering and too little time on the work PC...I'd rather be HERE :D ) but last I knew you had to pay a membership fee for the BOI. Just free registering won't work for the BOI.

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Actually, since June of this year, you only have to be a registered member to post on BOI, you don't have to pay any longer. I just looked at a BOI thread to be sure, and there were several posts just yesterday by registered (not contributing) members.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Scammers tend to steal pictures.

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That card that this snake is sitting on is from Ralph Davis Reptiles. I bought a few snakes from Ralph and got the same feeding cards (the handwriting is identical...the "RP") I believe that the pic was stolen from RDR!!!

DO not send money to this scammer!!

Keep yer money in yer pocket on this one.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

If you look at the ID card, it says that the sex is unknown. It has a resemblance to the cinnies I have seen, but I dought it. 300$ for a Cinnie is to good to be true.

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I see the symbol for female on the card where sex is indicated. However, I'd still not buy this snake with all the red flags up and flying.

I'll add my question of the reality of this being a "Emergency!!!"
Advice on whether or not to buy a snake doesn't normally constitute a emergency to me.
Just saying.
That said, yeah, its a scam, esp since someone recognizes the feeding card from someone not even mentioned in the emails. The contradictions in the emails, and the urgency on wanting the money, and the price.
Wolfy's $.02

Styx, in no way does your "purchasing" dellima constitute an "Emergency" in need of "Immediant (sic) Help"...personally I'd reserve a title like that for a health related issue...

Having said that, you obviously had to have done some research on cinni's to be able to find the "best deal"...does $300 sound a little too good to be true?

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Originally Posted by Styx

Entropy, so how can you tell for sure if it's a cin? And hence the reason I have not said yes. ^^;

sweety314, I don't know, it's hard to understand. I can't post on the BOI either to ask. I've registered, but I'm not sure why I can't do anthing in that part of the forum.

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Since you're asking for opinions, I would opine that you should be able to recognize a cinni before attempting to purchase one...there are many many reputable dealers that will help you along the way, but you need to support them and not the scammers (its funny how that record card looks very similar to one that a WELL known breeder uses) that bring down this industry...

Sorry for the double...looks like we all think alike!

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

I see the symbol for female on the card where sex is indicated. However, I'd still not buy this snake with all the red flags up and flying.

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Oh!! My mistake it looks like a ? mark. :)

You should go to www.nextworldexoctics.com and look at his "Hunter's Guide" it has great info on identifing different morphs. Sorry I don't know how to send links. I have purchased many snakes fron Jon at nextworld and he is not only honest and reputable but also extremely helpful and availible. An $800 for a cinny is a great deal so $300 is too good to be true. I heard someone once say ask him to send you a picture of the snake on todays newspaper to confirm he actually has the snake and not just a picture. the emergency is you're about to get had.

Sorry about the title, I didn't know it was an issue and I was stressing out.

James, I've asked seven breeders. One explained it to me but said it was hard to tell still because they don't all look like that. Another two said there is no way to tell at all between a cin and a normal, it's in the lines. One said the same thing you said, if I can't tell I shouldn't be looking into them. Another said they were too busy to explain it to me and gave me a link to a website I'd already read and didn't help, and the others did not respond.

westcoastjungle, thanks a lot.

run forest run! to good to be true...



vaughn

Styx I have a hard time believing that breeders told you there is no way to tell between a Cinny and a normal, that's a load of poo.

you know what the bright side is? you asked before sending your money to them ;) so now, you know not to. good for you!!!!! :hug:

Entropy, one of them was Ralph Davis and he said "there is now way to "tell".........a Cinny is a Cinny......." Another breeder, I don't have that e-mail anymore, said something similer. And I did ask how do you tell if it's a cinny vs a normal.

recycling goddess, yeah, I wasn't sure where to turn with my issues so... here I am. Even if I do not only feel stupid, but look like a moron too. Yay, I love looking retarded.

They tried to take you for a long ride , If I were you I would just be happy you still have your money in pocket.

an you get a snake COD? That way, you'd be able to see it in person before paying.. not sure if that'd work though.

That's not the same as saying there is no difference in Cinny to normals.

That is for sure a Cinny.. BUT! Run away...


There is no sane person that would sell a Cinny right now for $300. I doubt this person is for real at all..

If you don't trust someone completely, you should not buy from them at all, no matter how good the deal is...

Entropy, I didn't say that either. Don't put words in my mouth. I said the breeder told me there's no way to tell and that's exactly what he said to me. That is copy and pasted from his e-mail.

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Originally Posted by Styx

Sorry about the title, I didn't know it was an issue and I was stressing out.

James, I've asked seven breeders. One explained it to me but said it was hard to tell still because they don't all look like that. Another two said there is no way to tell at all between a cin and a normal, it's in the lines. One said the same thing you said, if I can't tell I shouldn't be looking into them. Another said they were too busy to explain it to me and gave me a link to a website I'd already read and didn't help, and the others did not respond.

westcoastjungle, thanks a lot.

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There is where it was said Styx.
And I'm not intending to argue with you so I'm going to bow out now. I'm glad you decided against it, you'll be happy when you don't have to worry about the source of your reptiles. :) Good luck in the future!

Would a mod please change this thread's title? This is a cry wolf and makes us all immune to *real* emergencies...:mad:

as you wish cass. ;)

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Originally Posted by Styx

Sorry about the title, I didn't know it was an issue and I was stressing out.

James, I've asked seven breeders. One explained it to me but said it was hard to tell still because they don't all look like that. Another two said there is no way to tell at all between a cin and a normal, it's in the lines. One said the same thing you said, if I can't tell I shouldn't be looking into them. Another said they were too busy to explain it to me and gave me a link to a website I'd already read and didn't help, and the others did not respond.

westcoastjungle, thanks a lot.

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Good to know that you're doing your research...I think that westcoast jungle was right on the $... http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgcin.htm is a good place to start. You can see some of the variances in the pictures that Jon posted on his site. If possible I would look at some of these variances in person (whether I was dropping $300 or $3000) so that I knew what I was looking for in an animal.

When I am purchasing an animal, I am looking for the qualities that I like, and want to pass on to future generations of animals...I'm not looking for the lowest price (until I find that animal that has all of the qualities that I'm looking for...and this usually does not come at a "cheap" price). I would steer clear from any "deals"...I've learned through age that you typically get what you pay for...and if it's cheap enough, you might not get it at all...

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Originally Posted by Styx

Entropy, one of them was Ralph Davis and he said "there is now way to "tell".........a Cinny is a Cinny......." Another breeder, I don't have that e-mail anymore, said something similer. And I did ask how do you tell if it's a cinny vs a normal.

recycling goddess, yeah, I wasn't sure where to turn with my issues so... here I am. Even if I do not only feel stupid, but look like a moron too. Yay, I love looking retarded.

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No need to feel stupid here...I bet you feel a lot better having asked the question, than having paid $300 and playing the scam game...I am curious though, did you happen to send Ralph Davis the picture that you were sent? I think that it might peek his interest...and might get you some more answers about what "constitutes" a cinni.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...0/05CINN01.JPG

If you're still having trouble recognizing the differences after the "hunters guide" and some more comparison photos, shoot me a PM and we'll go from there.

JT

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Seems to me he's contradicting himself






Methinks he would get $300 and you would get nothing, especially seeing how eager he is to get this deal done NOW!

If it walks like a duck........

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is this guy from Louisana by chance? I got burned in a deal similar to this back in february when I got my male Nag.

IMHO I would ask the folks around here for referrals and deal with repuatable breeders and dont risk losing your money, and the snake, by going with someone you dont know anything about

I remember on another forum, I think it was a GTP forum... someone posted a very similar thread as this. The seller's diction was especially noticeable, as is the one here. It did turn out to be a scam.

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Originally Posted by Styx

recycling goddess, yeah, I wasn't sure where to turn with my issues so... here I am. Even if I do not only feel stupid, but look like a moron too. Yay, I love looking retarded.

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you know what... i'd rather all the members here post a thread about a purchase they are making, BEFORE they turn over the money - to find out if it's a good deal or not than to have one person loose their hard earned, harder to save cash!

:hug: :wuv: