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How should he return it?
Hello, I have a friend that is in a bit of a pickle right now. He bought 2 ball pythons from a guy and the guy shipped them to him. When he got them they where alot smaller than what they where suppose to be. He has a fedex account but is not certified. He wants to know how he is suppose to return them? Thank you.
-Andre
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
Hello, I have a friend that is in a bit of a pickle right now. He bought 2 ball pythons from a guy and the guy shipped them to him. When he got them they where alot smaller than what they where suppose to be. He has a fedex account but is not certified. He wants to know how he is suppose to return them? Thank you.
-Andre
Could he find someone to ship it leagly for him? Or maybe just wait and get certified?
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There is no one that lives by him that is certified. It would take to long for him to get certified. What if he ships it back to the guy via fedex and just put the guys name for the to and from part and then just change addresses. would that work?
-Andre
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
............. What if he ships it back to the guy via fedex and just put the guys name for the to and from part and then just change addresses. would that work?
-Andre
Say that agian?
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how much smaller is "a lot smaller"? Did the seller deliberately lie about their size?
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smaller meaning they are around 850 grams and where suppose to be 2000 grams each. He said that the person he bought them from sold the original 2000 gram ones after my friend paid him and so the seller sent him what he had left.
-Andre
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
smaller meaning they are around 850 grams and where suppose to be 2000 grams each. He said that the person he bought them from sold the original 2000 gram ones after my friend paid him and so the seller sent him what he had left.
-Andre
did he tell him before he shipped them out that they were smaller?
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I do not want to say the sellers name right now because the seller did tell him that he would get a full refund and that he made a mistake and shouldnt have sold the original ones. The seller isnt a breeder though. He owns a petstore and gets them in once in a while.
-Andre
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Is the guy who shipped them FedEx certified? I think the guy should send him the refund and your friend should get to keep the snakes. It is only fair. Since you cant ship them out.
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if he didnt tell your friend they were smaller BEFORE they were shipped AND he sold your friends snakes AFTER your friend had paid for them then i think his name should definitely be mentioned. no matter how much he apologizes. hes probably just sorry he got caught and called out.
if i were your friend i would probably even start a thread on the BOI about this guy. he sounds like a real shady person.
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No he is not certified. He asked him if he was and he said no that hes not and he also told my friend that you dont have to be certified because anyone can ship anything without any type of certifacation. So he can't ship it out on the sellers account?
-Andre
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
No he is not certified. He asked him if he was and he said no that hes not and he also told my friend that you dont have to be certified because anyone can ship anything without any type of certifacation. So he can't ship it out on the sellers account?
-Andre
No he cant!!!!! Illegal. Whats this guys name?
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I will ask him if he wants me to say his name. I will also tell my friend the info i found out about that he for sure cant ship it on the sellers account. I will tell him to see if the guy will just refund his money and let him keep the snakes and once I find out I will let everyone know.
-Andre
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
I will ask him if he wants me to say his name. I will also tell my friend the info i found out about that he for sure cant ship it on the sellers account. I will tell him to see if the guy will just refund his money and let him keep the snakes and once I find out I will let everyone know.
-Andre
He jsut broke the law. You dont ask someone who robbed a bank if they can tell the police there names, do you?
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Originally Posted by stangs13
Illegal.
Not true. It's not against the law to ship on someone elses account ... it's a violation of the terms of the live shippers agreement.
-adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
Not true. It's not against the law to ship on someone elses account ... it's a violation of the terms of the live shippers agreement.
-adam
But isnt it against the law to ship a snake without a Certification ,period? Lieke jsut putting the snake in a box and sending it?
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So basically your friend bought a couple snakes from someone who didnt actually own the animals? Sounds very shady if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by stangs13
But isnt it against the law to ship a snake without a Certification ,period?
No, it is not when using commercial carriers.
-adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
No, it is not.
-adam
Really.:confused:
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
No, it is not when using commercial carriers.
-adam
You edited your post. But it does vialat the Live animal agrrement.Right? Im confused.
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
smaller meaning they are around 850 grams and where suppose to be 2000 grams each. He said that the person he bought them from sold the original 2000 gram ones after my friend paid him and so the seller sent him what he had left.
-Andre
Did your other freind buy these snakes from Al Gueztow? Seems like he likes ripping people OFF!:mad:
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Im confused.
Really? Weird...
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Originally Posted by jglass38
Really? Weird...
Really Really.
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
I will ask him if he wants me to say his name. I will also tell my friend the info i found out about that he for sure cant ship it on the sellers account. I will tell him to see if the guy will just refund his money and let him keep the snakes and once I find out I will let everyone know.
-Andre
I wouldn't spread that type of logic around. I agree I wouldn't deal with a seller again if he did something like that (it actually happened to me before when I bought a 250 gram spider back in Feb and he came as a 90 gram baby). But I wouldn't expect the seller to take a bath on it. Just make them figure out a way to get it back at their expense.
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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake
I wouldn't spread that type of logic around. I agree I wouldn't deal with a seller again if he did something like that (it actually happened to me before when I bought a 250 gram spider back in Feb and he came as a 90 gram baby). But I wouldn't expect the seller to take a bath on it. Just make them figure out a way to get it back at their expense.
Wow. I hadn't even seen that quote about keeping the snakes and getting a refund. That is just weak. Just because Andre got a sweet deal like that from Wes doesn't mean everytime a mistake is made, the seller gets the shaft.
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Andre,
Did you get this settled out? Whats this guys name?
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Originally Posted by jglass38
Wow. I hadn't even seen that quote about keeping the snakes and getting a refund. That is just weak. Just because Andre got a sweet deal like that from Wes doesn't mean everytime a mistake is made, the seller gets the shaft.
I guess if you have succeded it once why not use it again:mad:
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Moving this here. :colbert2:
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No he did not purchase it from Al. And someone on this thread mentioned that he should get his money back.
-Andre
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Might have to take that to small claims court especially if you dont have anything written down saying you were suppose to get 2snakes around 2000grams, and he didnt send them to you,with both your signatures and all... and how much you spent ect ect.. if not its your word against his.. or your friend's word against his...
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
No he did not purchase it from Al. And someone on this thread mentioned that he should get his money back.
-Andre
Then who did he purchase them from? It would be a really good idea to tell us, we wouldn't want anyone else to get in the same pickle as your friend is.
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Originally Posted by stangs13
Then who did he purchase them from? It would be a really good idea to tell us, we wouldn't want anyone else to get in the same pickle as your friend is.
I don't think its necessary to out someone as a bad guy until there is some proof of their wrongdoings. A person's reputation is nothing to mess around with.
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Originally Posted by joepythons
Did your other freind buy these snakes from Al Gueztow? Seems like he likes ripping people OFF!:mad:
Be careful Joe. Unless you have some proof of this. I haven't heard anything about Al or NEW Reptiles ripping anyone off.
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I don't think its necessary to out someone as a bad guy until there is some proof of their wrongdoings. A person's reputation is nothing to mess around with.
Yeah. Your right. It's just alittle to fishy for my tastes.
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Yeah. Your right. It's just alittle to fishy for my tastes.
I know I'm right. :P I think this illustrates why minors shouldn't be involved in selling or buying animals or any other business transactions. There is too much room for things to go wrong and hurt them or other people.
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I know I'm right. :P I think this illustrates why minors shouldn't be involved in selling or buying animals or any other business transactions. There is too much room for things to go wrong and hurt them or other people.
Yeah, but that right there is where it gets fishy. The guy delt with a minor. I don't know if he(the breeder) delt with his parents. He should have.
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Yeah, but that right there is where it gets fishy. The guy delt with a minor. I don't know if he(the breeder) delt with his parents. He should have.
I've seen enough in the past couple months to know that minors should have NOTHING to do with business transactions, buying or selling.
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I've seen enough in the past couple months to know that minors should have NOTHING to do with business transactions, buying or selling.
So does this put a red flag up? Im trying to learn Jamie, teach me.:D
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I've seen enough in the past couple months to know that minors should have NOTHING to do with business transactions, buying or selling.
So, basically, I shouldn't have bought those thermostats and Flexwatt last week.
:rockon:
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Originally Posted by Regal Boids
No he did not purchase it from Al. And someone on this thread mentioned that he should get his money back.
-Andre
Wow thats sad then because that now means we have to people to avoid that are unable to send the PROPER snakes at the PROPER weights! Someone might have mentioned to get a refund but i did not see anything about KEEPING the snake also!
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Be careful Joe. Unless you have some proof of this. I haven't heard anything about Al or NEW Reptiles ripping anyone off.
Jamie,i understand your concern bud :) .I never post anything on a open forum unless i know it to be true 110%.You have a pm.
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So now we are trying to deal with a "this happened to a friend" situation here? Information from an unknown person filtered through Andre? Andre, just my opinion but if your friend is into snakes and needs advice, it's pretty darn easy to create an account here and ask for advice himself.
Sorry but I agree with Jamie completely, this complain about a snake and hope that the breeder would rather take a bath than deal with you is a dangerous path to walk down. Things happen even with the best breeder, so you act in a businesslike manner, you resolve the issue (privately if at all possible) so that both the buyer and seller are satisfied but in the end, in my opinion, it's still about the buyer doing his/her homework first. If someone rushes into a purchase, not doing the hard work of gathering facts first, then ends up screwed....sorry but for me that means shared responsibility and doesn't entitle you to a free snake.
Personally when Mike and I start selling snakes we'll be very careful of transactions with minors. Not because minors are less than adults, but because legally there can be issues there that will not benefit us or the minor.
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When I was training and selling horses very very very often I was contacted by minors. I always took the time to answer their emails fully and asked that their parents contact me for any further assistance.
A few times I did deal almost entirely with the minor because their parents simply didn't want to be a part of it. Though I made sure the parents were aware of every aspect of the transactions and that the parents were the ones who signed the paperwork.
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i have to agree with jo on this one. andre, if your friend wants advice, have them create an account and ask for themselves. if this is your deal and you just prefer to pretend it was someone else because of the deal you just had go bad with MKR, then i suggest you rethink your plans to be a breeder until you are older.
just my 2 cents,
aleesha
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This isn't the first thread that Andre has started about one of his friends having problems, is it? It seems like every time something like this is posted, it is impossible to understand and a lot of things just get thrown up in the air that probably shouldn't...
